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But I am so sure he "luvvvvvvvs" them.  Why doesn't he and his kind find an island to go live on, then they could run it just the way they want.

 

 

RALEIGH, North Carolina (Reuters) - A North Carolina group said it plans to hold a public protest on Sunday to denounce a Baptist minister's anti-gay and lesbian sermon that has drawn hundreds of thousands of views on the Internet.

Pastor Charles Worley of Providence Road Baptist Church in Maiden, North Carolina told his congregation during a May 13 sermon that the Bible and God opposed homosexuality and that gay and lesbian people should be put in concentration camps.

"Build a great big large fence 50 or 100 miles long," Worley said according to the video posted on YouTube. "Put all the lesbians in there. Fly over and drop some food. Do the same thing with the *****s and the homosexuals. Have that fence electrified so they can't get out. You know what, in a few years, they'll die out. You know why? They can't reproduce."

The Anti-Defamation League, which fights hatred, prejudice and bigotry, condemned Worley's statements.

"Pastor Worley's videotaped remarks are deplorable, inexcusable and incompatible with the tenets of his faith," said David Freidman, regional director of the Anti-Defamation League in Washington, D.C. "Pastor Worley owes the LGBT community and the people of Maiden, North Carolina a swift and unequivocal apology."

Phone calls to the church for comment from Worley were not returned.

Christopher Brook, legal director of the American Civil Liberties Union of North Carolina, said the church had posted the entire sermon on its website for a few days, and the Catawba Valley Citizens Against Hate had grabbed the clip and posted it on YouTube. The clip had been viewed 689,000 times by Thursday.

Americans United for Separation of Church and State, a religious liberty watchdog group, has filed a complaint with the Internal Revenue Service, asking that it investigate the tax exempt status of Providence Road Baptist Church.

"Pastor Worley's vicious and mean-spirited assault on gays and lesbians is bad enough," said the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United. "His pulpit command that people not vote for President Obama is a violation of federal tax law. I urge the IRS to act swiftly to investigate the matter."

In the sermon, Worley denounces gay marriage and President Barack Obama's support for it. Obama announced his support for gay marriage on May 9. Presumed Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney opposes same sex marriage.

During the sermon, Worley referred to "our president getting up and saying that it was all right for two women to marry or two men to marry," and added, "I was disappointed bad. The Bible is against it, God is against and I'm against it."

Later in the sermon, Worley says, "Somebody said, ‘Who are you going to vote for?' I ain't going to vote for a baby killer and a homosexual lover. You said, ‘Did you mean to say that?' You better believe I did."

Lynn said that Worley's statements are a clear violation of federal law, which prohibits all non-profit groups from intervening in elections by endorsing or opposing candidates.

The demonstration against Worley's comments is scheduled for Sunday morning at the Catawba County Justice Center in Newton, North Carolina, according to an invitation posed on the Catawba Valley Citizens Against Hate Facebook page

 

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Hi Jennifer,

 

I agree with you 1000% that this man is reprehensible.  And, he should not be allowed to speak in any Christian church.  In my opinion, this man is himself an abomination to God.  What I saw on that video looked very much like Fred Phelps of the Westboro Baptist church in Kansas.   

 

And, what makes me really sad is that the congregation did not just get up and walk out when Charles Worley began his rantings.  I would have.   This kind of teaching is not the Christian church, nor is it representative of the millions of true Christian believers.

 

That said, I still believe that God finds the homosexual lifestyle an abomination -- and that those living this lifestyle, or any sin lifestyle -- will not see the kingdom of God.   1 Corinthians 6:9, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? . . ."    And, that includes, in my mind, those like this man, Charles Worley, and Fred Phelps, and all like them who misrepresent our God and the intent of the Word of God.

 

Yes, God hates the homosexual lifestyle, just as He hates all sin lifestyles.  But, He does not hate the sinner, only the sin lifestyle.   Why do I say that?   These two Scripture verses tell us clearly:

 

John 3:16, "For God so loved the world (you, me, every single person ever born), that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."

2 Peter 3:9, "The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance."

 

That said, there are still many people who will refuse His "free gift" of eternal life, choosing instead to continue following the world and its ways, instead of God's way.   If you are homeless, living on the streets struggling to find the next meal -- and Bill Gates walks up you with a "free gift" of one billion dollars -- if you refuse to accept this "free gift" you are not saved from the streets, but, instead you are still a destitute person living "homeless" in this world.

         

On the other hand, if you accept Bill Gates' offer of his free gift of a billion dollars -- in this world, you can live like a king.   And, if you accept the "free gift" of eternal life which Jesus Christ "paid in full" for all of us on the cross -- you can live eternally an even greater life than any earthly king.          

 

However, to receive His "free gift" of eternal life -- one MUST acknowledge God and receive Him as personal Lord and Savior.  One must be willing to turn his/her life over to God and follow Him. 

 

And, that, my Friend, is the rub.   Atheists and other non-believers think they must give up something to receive His "free gift" of eternal life.  No, that is not true -- unless it is the giving up of a world of destitution, i.e., like the homeless man living on the streets and eating from dumpsters.

         

God offers riches untold; but, some still prefer the poverty of the world.  And, because He has also given to every single person ever born -- the gift of "free will" -- He allows YOU to make the choice:  riches and glory in heaven OR destitution and misery in hell, for eternity.    Is that really a choice?

         

So, Jennifer, to summarize --  In my opinion, anyone who profanes the pulpit, as this man did, in the name of God IS as much an abomination to God as any other sinner.   Maybe even worse, for he is wearing the mantle of God, and possibly leading some astray -- while sharing abominable teachings from the pulpit. 

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

 

And, that, my Friend, is the rub.   Atheists and other non-believers think they must give up something to receive His "free gift" of eternal life.  No, that is not true -- unless it is the giving up of a world of destitution, i.e., like the homeless man living on the streets and eating from dumpsters.

        

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I would have to give up my ability to reason. My common sense. My compassion. You are right, I will not give those things up. I am unable to turn them off.

And, that, my Friend, is the rub.   Atheists and other non-believers think they must give up something to receive His "free gift" of eternal life.  No, that is not true -- unless it is the giving up of a world of destitution, i.e., like the homeless man living on the streets and eating from dumpsters

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Again you lie. I don't live in a world of destitution. 

 This guy sounds like a real creep and what he says is absurd. But how long will it be before ANY condemnation of the homosexual lifestyle from the pulpit will be targeted by the political correctness crowd. In 10 years when a preacher gets up before a congregation and denounces homosexuality as behavior condemned by God will that be hate speech? If he criticizes political figures will that get the government involved? Mock me if you want but these are legitimate concerns. We seem to be much less tolerant of being offended these days.

If this isn't hate speech I sure don't know what is. If this was an isolated case it might not be so bothersome. But it isn't. Look at some of the posts on this very forum that are just full of lies about how non-believers, gay people, and others that don't agree with them live, think and behave. As far as "offending", I'd say his rant goes way beyond "offending".  And mock me if you want, but I know very well that there is a large group out there that might say publicly he was wrong, but actually agree with him.

That N*a*z*i* bustard should be shunned wherever he goes.  Sell him no gasoline, no breakfast, no clothes, no dentistry.

The nerve of this latter-day Himmler to suggest that any minority be rounded up and isolated.

 

For the love of god, even the billster recognizes his hatred and evil nature.  I hope this is instructive to Bill of the workings of so many Christians today. 

 

DF

Hey he has every right to his opinion on the matter just as gay people have every right to play softball or redecorate.   Wanting harm to him is no different than him wanting harm to gays.  As long as neither acts who cares?   The only reason you guys care is because the guy is a preacher and the whole thing fits into your little evil christian thing. 

quote:   Originally Posted by Deep Not Shallow Not Slim:

That N*a*z*i* bustard should be shunned wherever he goes.  Sell him no gasoline, no breakfast, no clothes, no dentistry.  The nerve of this latter-day Himmler to suggest that any minority be rounded up and isolated.   Even the billster recognizes his hatred and evil nature.  I hope this is instructive to Bill of the workings of so many Christians today.   DF


Hi Deep,

 

If this fellow were in a majority within the church, I would most certainly be worried.  However, since I know he is in a very, very SMALL minority within the church -- I can only warn folks against him, Fred Phelps, and their ilk.

 

Praise God, folks like this give true Christians a platform, and a reason, to share the true Gospel of Jesus Christ.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

quote:   Originally Posted by Chuck Farley:

Hey he has every right to his opinion on the matter just as gay people have every right to play softball or redecorate.   Wanting harm to him is no different than him wanting harm to gays.  As long as neither acts who cares?   The only reason you guys care is because the guy is a preacher and the whole thing fits into your little evil christian thing. 


Hi Chuck,

 

Yes, even people like this misguided man and Fred Phelps have a right to their own opinion.  However, where they step beyond the line is when they take that kind of hatred and rhetoric into the pulpit.  When a man puts on the mantle of pastor/teacher -- he assumes the responsibility to not denigrate our God before the world.

 

Should a pastor speak against the homosexual lifestyle, same-sex marriage, abortion, etc., from the pulpit?  YES!  Absolutely!   Beyond any question, he has the responsibility to speak against these things from the pulpit.  BUT, he also has the responsibility to teach the Bible accurately -- which this man is not doing.

 

Teaching against the homosexual lifestyle is Biblical.  Such blatant rantings as this man is doing IS  wrong and not Biblical.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

Except for rounding them up and putting them in a camp, how is what Bill preaches any different than this guy?

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It isn't.  BeeG just hasn't reached the "Deutschland! Erwache!" stage yet.

This Worley chooch is a minority-but Hitler's bunch was once a minority, also.

Under the right circumstances it wouldn't take long for Jeebus' Gestapo to get a handle on things in the land of biblical thumpiness.

Originally Posted by vega:

You people are no different than Worley when you attack Christians.

Some of you in your attacks on Bill and what4 are standing right up in the pulpit beside Worley .

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Nope, buf..

 

We are counter-attacking.

Pay attention.  There's a difference.

 

Anybody who doesn't counter-attack that kind of bigotry and hatred is up there with Worley.

Originally Posted by Chuck Farley:

Hey he has every right to his opinion on the matter just as gay people have every right to play softball or redecorate.   Wanting harm to him is no different than him wanting harm to gays.  As long as neither acts who cares?   The only reason you guys care is because the guy is a preacher and the whole thing fits into your little evil christian thing. 

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IMO it goes a little deeper than him only voicing "his opinion". 

 

 

From the article:

 

"Pastor Worley's vicious and mean-spirited assault on gays and lesbians is bad enough," said the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United. "His pulpit command that people not vote for President Obama is a violation of federal tax law. I urge the IRS to act swiftly to investigate the matter."



Lynn said that Worley's statements are a clear violation of federal law, which prohibits all non-profit groups from intervening in elections by endorsing or opposing candidates.


Originally Posted by Road Puppy:
Originally Posted by vega:

You people are no different than Worley when you attack Christians.

Some of you in your attacks on Bill and what4 are standing right up in the pulpit beside Worley .

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Nope, buf..

 

We are counter-attacking.

Pay attention.  There's a difference.

 

Anybody who doesn't counter-attack that kind of bigotry and hatred is up there with Worley.

roadie

do you think your hatred and bigotry against Christians is any different from Worley?

it is the same thing bud.


 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:
..."Build a great big large fence 50 or 100 miles long, put all the lesbians in there. Fly over and drop some food. Do the same thing with the *****s and the homosexuals. Have that fence electrified so they can't get out. You know what, in a few years, they'll die out. You know why? They can't reproduce."...

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What a hopeless idiot. Apparently, he thinks that only g ay people give birth to & raise g ay children. Brilliant.

OK so I haven't read or listened to the whole sermon or anything so I might be missing something, sounds like his opinion is a little out there and I certainly don't agree with it. Sounds like he forgot that thing about hating the sin and not the sinner and that he isn't actually approaching this issue with love toward gays BUT over one sermon are you guys serious in comparing him to Fred Phelps? I mean really, is this guy out interrupting the funerals of soldiers, teenagers, etc with the claim that God hates all of us and is punishing us for tolerating gays? This guy is obviously a little nuts and might not be the world's nicest person but the comparison to Phelps and his so called church actually lends some degree of credibility to and diminishes how evil the Westboro outfit really is.

Pastor Worley has a 1200 member congregation. This is lady is one of them:
http://cnn.com/video/?/video/b...r-defends-pastor.cnn
It's already tough to defend some of the junk in the Bible when you're smart. This one is not smart. Sadly, faith can make it ok for people to be dumb as a rock since their only standard for moral authority is none other than the Almighty Himself as expressed through the Holy Spirit to all true believers, which I'm sure she thinks she is. Let's not forget too, that she's not personally judging gays, that's God's job. She's just his tool. LOL. Watch her try to initially argue in favor of context...

Towards the end cooper was having a hard time keeping a straight face. THIS is the insane crap that they want taught to kids in school. BTW, who does she remind you of when she tries to sidestep, paint over, twist or deny what the "pastor" said, and attempts to claim it's others that are twisting it or "getting it wrong"? Uh huh, doing that fundie shuffle!! "Yes, she says, put them behind a feeunce and they will die out."  The stupidity! 

quote:   Originally Posted by BFred07:

OK so I haven't read or listened to the whole sermon or anything so I might be missing something, sounds like his opinion is a little out there and I certainly don't agree with it.  Sounds like he forgot that thing about hating the sin and not the sinner and that he isn't actually approaching this issue with love toward gays BUT over one sermon are you guys serious in comparing him to Fred Phelps?  I mean really, is this guy out interrupting the funerals of soldiers, teenagers, etc with the claim that God hates all of us and is punishing us for tolerating gays?  This guy is obviously a little nuts and might not be the world's nicest person but the comparison to Phelps and his so called church actually lends some degree of credibility to and diminishes how evil the Westboro outfit really is.


Hi Fred,

 

Keep in mind that Fred Phelps began with one sermon also.   And, we do not know how far this guy has gone.  We have only seen this one sermon -- but, if that church has 1200 members as someone has stated -- this means that he has given many more sermons.  And, from the venom in this sermon, we can only deduce that his others are in the same tone and of the same quality.

 

I have to ask myself how many in Fred Phelps' congregation felt as he does when he first began his hate filled messages -- and how many he has convinced to follow him over a period of time. 

 

While I am against same-sex marriage, the homosexual lifestyle, and the adverse effect it is having today, even dividing the Christian church -- I do not advocate, in any way, the hatred this man and Phelps preach.  God is love and does love everyone, all sinners, including the homosexuals.

 

But, God does indeed hate the homosexual lifestyle -- just as He hates all sin lifestyles.

 

I will always stand up and fight for our Christian faith and stand against all aspects of the homosexual lifestyle being pushed into our schools and upon our society.  It is not normal and no law can make that which is abnormal -- normal.

 

Yet, given that -- neither God nor the Bible tell us to teach the kind of hate we see in this man's sermon or in Fred Phelps' actions. 

 

Fred, my Friend, it is impossible to not draw a comparison to what we see in this sermon and Fred Phelps.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

I will always stand up and fight for our Christian faith and stand against all aspects of the homosexual lifestyle being pushed into our schools and upon our society.  It is not normal and no law can make that which is abnormal -- normal.


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"Your schools and your society"? I think it's up to people who actually have had children to speak to anything that goes on in schools. That could and often does, include homosexuals. The same goes for society, it belongs to gay people too, and they have a say.

From the ever crazy Roy Moore:

 

To disfavor practicing homosexuals in custody matters is not invidious discrimination, nor is it legislating personal morality. On the contrary, disfavoring practicing homosexuals in custody matters promotes the general welfare of the people of our State in accordance with our law, which is the duty of its public servants... The State carries the power of the sword, that is, the power to prohibit conduct with physical penalties, such as confinement and even execution. It must use that power to prevent the subversion of children toward this lifestyle, to not encourage a criminal lifestyle... Homosexual behavior is a ground for divorce, an act of sexual misconduct punishable as a crime in Alabama, a crime against nature, an inherent evil, and an act so heinous that it defies one's ability to describe it. That is enough under the law to allow a court to consider such activity harmful to a child. To declare that homosexuality is harmful is not to make new law but to reaffirm the old; to say that it is not harmful is to experiment with people's lives, particularly the lives of children.

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

 

Fred, my Friend, it is impossible to not draw a comparison to what we see in this sermon and Fred Phelps.

 

 

Actually it is possible, I didn't draw such a conclusion and since my opinion is included in the realm of what is possible then that would make you wrong on that point 

Anyway, what I am tying to point out is that we have a long history of documented facts about ol' Fred Phelps while we have only one grossly misguided sermon from this other guy. We have to remember that there are good and bad ministers within the Church but we should never lend the Westboro bunch a comparison to anyone but satan himself, to imply that Westboro is any type of legit Christian Church  lends them a credibility that they do not deserve. Please keep in mind that I am not trying to diminish just how wrong Worley was with this sermon nor am I trying to say that he should not be reprimanded and an eye kept out for more stupidity from the guy, all I am trying to say is that a comparison of Fred Phelps to almost ANYONE sheds a better light on Phelps and his cronies than what he deserves.

Originally Posted by vega:
Originally Posted by Road Puppy:
Originally Posted by vega:

You people are no different than Worley when you attack Christians.

Some of you in your attacks on Bill and what4 are standing right up in the pulpit beside Worley .

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Nope, buf..

 

We are counter-attacking.

Pay attention.  There's a difference.

 

Anybody who doesn't counter-attack that kind of bigotry and hatred is up there with Worley.

roadie

do you think your hatred and bigotry against Christians is any different from Worley?

it is the same thing bud.


 

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I don't hate christians, buf..

 

I hate willful ignorance. I hate 'stupidity-on-purpose.' That is MY predjudice.

 

I know lots of christians who question parts of their faith but choose to accept and believe it anyway. I give them credit for asking the questions-and looking for legitimate answers.

I can accept that they need some way to explain the things they don't know how to.

 

It's the closed-minded christians that tell everybody else how wrong they are for not believing or living as they do that frost ma cookies.

The ones that condemn me to their made-up hell of eternal suffering for disagreeing with them.

 

The ones that assume I'm evil just because I don't see a need for a magical, mystical deity to explain why I'm here.

 

If THOSE are the christians you are referring to, then YES, I'm a total grade-A Ayatollah of Assawholla at them because a bigoted moron is a bigoted moron regardless of what 'faith' they hide behind.

 

 

 

 

It's the closed-minded christians that tell everybody else how wrong they are for not believing or living as they do that frost ma cookies.

The ones that condemn me to their made-up hell of eternal suffering for disagreeing with them.

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Can you imagine being like, and living like, some of the so called christians that post here?!! I'm surprised someone hasn't dropped a net over some of them.

"Two more pastors, two different states, advocate for the killing of gays"
http://www.lgbtqnation.com/201...the-killing-of-gays/

“They should be put to death. That’s what happened in Israel. That’s why homosexuality wouldn’t have grown in Israel. It tends to limit conversions. It tends to limit people coming out of the closet. — ‘Oh, so you’re saying we should go out and start killing them, no?’ — I’m saying the government should. They won’t but they should.

[You say], ‘oh, I can’t believe you you’re horrible. You’re a backwards neanderthal of a person.’ Is that what you’re calling scripture? Is God a neanderthal backwards.. in his morality. Is it his word or not? If it’s his word, he commanded it. It’s his idea, not mine. And I’m not ashamed of it.”
- pastor Curtis Knapp of the New Hope Baptist Church in Seneca, Kansas

Wow! I shouldn't be surprised by their words, but I am. I am sure that many here will say "those are not real Christians" but I am getting numb to that argument.

 

Actually I believe I have read some post by a few Christians on this forum using this same approach when it comes to being bigots towards homosexuals. I have seen them say similar things as this pastor in Kansas. "God said they are an abomination, not me, so are you saying God is wrong?" It makes it a lot easier to hate and want to see a group of people you disagree with killed if you can put all the blame on your god, right?

quote:   Originally Posted by A. Robustus:

"Two more pastors, two different states, advocate for the killing of gays"


Hi Robust,

 

Using your logic -- if two atheists admit to being homosexual -- are all atheists homosexuals?

 

If two atheists admit to being pedophiles -- are all atheists pedophiles?

 

If two atheists admit to being adulterers -- are all atheists adulterers?

 

I believe you get my point.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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"Two more pastors, two different states, advocate for the killing of gays"

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Bill runs in with:

Hi Robust,

 

Using your logic -- if two atheists admit to being homosexual -- are all atheists homosexuals?

 

If two atheists admit to being pedophiles -- are all atheists pedophiles?

 

If two atheists admit to being adulterers -- are all atheists adulterers?

 

I believe you get my point.

 

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So bill, care to point out where in robustus' post he claimed it was all pastors? What logic are you using for that claim? 

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