SirWasabi posted:gbrk posted:Doug Jones though would have no problem with them pulling the arms and head off a baby one week before it was to be born and that is murder no matter how you cut it. That is dangerous and that is a very good reason to oppose him on that one measure alone. But that is my own, personal, opinion.
You do realize that Doug Jones has stated that he doesn't believe in 'late term abortion' and that Roy Moore's campaign started that lie? And Roy Moore, while condemning Jones' attack ads, has continued to run his attack ads on Jones, complete with the lie about late term abortion.
Really .. a LIE? Where are you getting this load of crap? I HEARD THE DOUG JONES INTERVIEW MYSELF! I heard Doug Jones as he stated, in his own words, after being ask repeatedly about when abortion was not permissible, and in his own words he stated AFTER IT WAS BORN! There was no ambiguity or no mistake about it. After the baby was born, after it was breathing on it's own, then he became pro life. The ONLY conclusion one could take from Doug Jones own words was that BEFORE the baby was born, before it was breathing on it's own outside the womb, he would have no problem with it being aborted and would vote accordingly.
For you to say otherwise means you either never heard the interview and are proceeding on bad, incorrect, information or you are deliberately being deceitful in what you are saying. Did you hear Jone's very words as here they are from a transcript.
Jones: "I'm not in favor of anything that is going to infringe on a woman's right and her freedom to choose. That's just the position that I've had for many years. It's a position I continue to have. But I want people to understand that once that baby is born, I'm going to be there for that child. That's where I become a right-to-lifer."
I"m sorry but "ONCE THAT BABY IS BORN" pretty much lays it on the line as being when the baby is born, out of the womb, breathing on it's own. Anything, 20 weeks on and, before that time certainly IS LATE TERM ABORTION!
Later Jones did make a statement regarding the current law regarding Late term Abortions and that may be what you are referring to but the above words, of Jones, were made to Chuck Todd and if he wasn't open to "before birth" abortions he could have clearly indicated so there. Coming around afterwards when it was politically expedient for him to do so and say he was agreeing with the current law, I see as a political move and I believe he said what he believes when he had the first chance to.
I also do not believe Doug Jones when he says he would be his own person and vote according to what benefits the people of Alabama regardless of what the Democratic Party said to do. I have not a doubt that Doug Jones would cast an opposition vote, to Donald Trump, every time and vote as Chuck Schumer said to vote along with 100% of the other Democrats. Anyone who believes otherwise is also being politically expedient or willing to be deceived. I will though give Doug Jones great credit in many of his advertisements as being positive and telling what he will do rather than slamming and degrading his opponent. For that I admire him but then the closer to Election Day that practice has taken a few hits and he's returned to some traditional negative advertising against Roy Moore. I also detest Roy Moore's ad's slamming Doug Jones. I believe in the more "tell us what you are going to do" ad's rather than the negative ads.