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Reply to "Cheney trots out the 'you're with us or you're a traitor' rhetoric"

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Originally posted by pba:
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
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Originally posted by excelman:
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
Ed. My first comment is petty but begrudge me the point. While I would agree that you helped pay my wages while I have been in the service, I have also paid for MY OWN WAGES because I get taxed just like you do. Sorry, but that is a BIG pet peeve of mine.
I agree with a good portion of what you have said here up to the point that both of us are "faced with an ongoing fight to protect ourselves from the greed and avarice of a powerful and concerted drive to impoverish, not just us, but our children and our children's children for the benefit of an elite few". You don't specify who you think is trying to impoverish us. If you believe that it's conservatives in gov't I would have to disagree. I truly believe that true conservatism believes in sefl determination. It believes that no man needs the gov't to hold his hand or provide his living for him. In this great country we live in, there is no reason why a man (or woman) can't stand up on their own 2 feet and make a good life for themselves. The founding fathers made a point of this in the statement "that all powers not specified for the federal gov't belong to the states" (not an exact quote, in a hurry to finish the post). The Federal gov't should have NO major involvement in our lives other than the basic services (ie. defense, roads etc..). The fed's have usurped entirely too much power from the states and should return such forth with. This nation was founded as a constitutional republic and should return to such. Give the power back to the states and locallities and many of the problems we experience with the Fed's would disapear. If you take away some of the monsters size, you wouldn't have to feed the monster so much. I know this kinda rambles, I hope it gives you a better idea on my true feelings concerning gov't


I am so confused after this last post of yours. The current administration has grown the government to the largest in history, it has taken away more of your Constitutional rights than at any time in American history, it has run up the largest debt in history, and has handed the nations wealth over to the rich elite, all the things you say you are opposed to, but you still support the Republicans and Bush? Your views are not consistant with your politics it seems to me.


If you want to talk debt talk real #'s based off GDP and we are no where NEAR the largest debt in history. What constitutional right have YOU lost? What "rich elite" do we have now that we didn't have under Clinton? Lastly, do you see Bush or republican in my post ANYWHERE? I am a conservative, not a republican. I believe in small gov't not what we have now. What part of that don't you understand? If the big gov't liberals have their way we will have an even LARGER gov't than we have now.




We have the largest debt in our history. The GDP may be growing but so is the debt and it is a ticking time bomb. The interest we pay is a disgrace. We now import more then we export and it will catch up to us as soon as the credit is cut off. The funny thing is that when Clinton was president and he was stuck with the debt Reagan and Bush Sr had run up the Debt was the rallying cry of conservatives. Real conservatives are concerned about it.

We have lost the 4th amendment with the government now allowed to enter a persons home without the person being there or knowledge and not being notified until months later. The government now spy on it's citizens, wire taps and reads e mails. The 4th amendment has been slowly stripped away over the years by the Supreme Court.

We always had a rich elite but they have increased their wealth and widened the income gap under Bush. Actually they did better under Clinton then they did under Reagan but at least under Clinton working people also did better.

The government has grown under Bush and it's mainly for surveillance and files on it's citizens. You would think that a real conservative would be concerned about and actually real conservatives, like Paul Craig Roberts and Kevin Phillips have been criticizing Bush for his high deficits and the secrecy and growth of government.

Liberals "big" govenrment are for services that help the people.


Sorry PBA. If my choice is RINO's that are conservatives 50% of the time or Dem's that are conservative 0% of the time I will take the RINO's EVERY TIME.

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