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quote:Originally posted by Barefootlady:
Thank you, Bill
That helps very much so. In all my young years I've never really had it explained so simply. Maybe I never questioned it before because it's just something I've always done. Then again, we have elders that say we meet on Sunday morning, Sunday night, and Wednesday evening - so I am there. I enjoy the fellowship and studying and praising God with my Christian family, as well as strive to worship and glorify God every day.
I am not sure that I have studied this enough to fully understand what Sabbath means and that's why I'm here on this board. In my upbringing in the church, I don't recall being thoroughly taught about what the Sabbath means to Christians today.
But now that I'm studying a little more, since my initial post about this, I'm realizing that Jesus has fulfilled the law of the Sabbath, and under His New Covenant Jesus Christ is the Sabbath rest for Christians. Our ultimate Sabbath rest will be enjoyed in heaven and we recognize our rest in Christ through faith and daily worship. So Sabbath is not about Saturday or Sunday, it's about everyday finding rest through Christ in our hope of heaven.
I think I'm on to something here.
quote:This fourth commandment begins with the word 'remember,' showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote the law on the tables of stone at Sinai.
quote:Originally posted by CrustyMac:quote:This fourth commandment begins with the word 'remember,' showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote the law on the tables of stone at Sinai.
Does it really matter which day of the week is the Sabbath? Really?
And at least one of your sources isn't very bright. He says, "This fourth commandment begins with the word 'remember,' showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote the law on the tables of stone at Sinai."
While the Sabbath most certainly existed this isn't proof any more than saying, "remember to pick up your room", or "remember to wash your hands", or "remember you have a doctor appointment tomorrow" proves that you have done any of these things previously.
quote:Originally posted by Rowan Oak:
Bill, Bill, Bill, you of all people should know not to encourage people to add blind validity to statements simply because they were made by one "evangelist" or another. Just because Moody says something doesn't mean it's right. I'm not saying that Moody's is right or wrong, just saying that when someone is struggling with an issue, it's not a good practice to just go find out what Pastor XYZ said.
quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:quote:Originally posted by CrustyMac:quote:This fourth commandment begins with the word 'remember,' showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote the law on the tables of stone at Sinai.
Does it really matter which day of the week is the Sabbath? Really?
And at least one of your sources isn't very bright. He says, "This fourth commandment begins with the word 'remember,' showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote the law on the tables of stone at Sinai."
While the Sabbath most certainly existed this isn't proof any more than saying, "remember to pick up your room", or "remember to wash your hands", or "remember you have a doctor appointment tomorrow" proves that you have done any of these things previously.
Hi Crusty,
You ask if it matters which day is recognized as the Sabbath. Yes, it does, for God is the One who designated the seventh day as the Sabbath.
The "not very bright" fellow you mentioned who Lady quoted is Dwight L. Moody, one of the greatest evangelist America, or the world, has known. I would say he is pretty smart; especially when it comes to the Word of God.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
quote:Originally posted by CrustyMac:quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:quote:Originally posted by CrustyMac:quote:Originally posted by Barefootlady:
This fourth commandment begins with the word 'remember,' showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote the law on the tables of stone at Sinai.
Does it really matter which day of the week is the Sabbath? Really? And at least one of your sources isn't very bright. He says, "This fourth commandment begins with the word 'remember,' showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote the law on the tables of stone at Sinai."
While the Sabbath most certainly existed this isn't proof any more than saying, "remember to pick up your room", or "remember to wash your hands", or "remember you have a doctor appointment tomorrow" proves that you have done any of these things previously.
Hi Crusty,
You ask if it matters which day is recognized as the Sabbath. Yes, it does, for God is the One who designated the seventh day as the Sabbath. The "not very bright" fellow you mentioned who Lady quoted is Dwight L. Moody, one of the greatest evangelist America, or the world, has known. I would say he is pretty smart; especially when it comes to the Word of God.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day, Bill
Really, Bill? It makes a difference? Not really. And your buddy Moody there is a charlatan and as I pointed out, not terribly bright; unless of course you consider misinterpretation of the Bible to make your sermon mean something as being bright.
quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Crusty, what have YOU done to help another wanderer find eternal security in Jesus Christ?
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
quote:Originally posted by prince albert:
I remember reading about Billy Sunday, it was funny things like his daughter had a new beau and she introduced him to her dad and later he told her no not that one, his eyes are too close together, too much Wolf in that one.
and the milkmen would put water in the milk to make it go farther and the song leader was up singing and he says, now we are going to sing the Milk Mans Song, "shall we gather at the River"
quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Crusty,
Once again, I will ask even though I know you still will not answer:
Please tell us more about Dwight L. Moody and how he misused the Bible. I am sincerely interested in what you know about this. Or was it just a convenient thing to throw out -- hoping no one would call your bluff?
So, Crusty -- no more huffing and puffing -- just a straight answer will suffice.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
quote:Originally posted by gbrk:
I can very much understand anyones confusion about "The Sabbath" and the way some New Testament Christian Churches apply it. I have no problem with someone saying that Sunday is the Christian's sabbath or the day that they choose to worship but the problem that I have is when they (the Church or Minister or teacher) takes Old Testament commands and provisions regarding the Sabbath, as given to the Jewish people ( the Israelites ... as in Exodus 31:12-17) and tie and bind New Testament Christians making them feel that they are sinning if they work on Sunday or do anything other than go to church. Many take old Testament laws and try and bind New Testament Christians to them. In the case of the Sabbath it was given unto the Israelites as a covenant between God and them however many, today, will confuse Christians by making them believe that Sunday is the Sabbath and applying laws governing the Sabbath, with regard to the Jews, and making the Modern day Christian obliged to obey them.
I've heard many a preacher preach that it was a sin to work on Sunday and lambast Christians that work at their job or principal employment in order to make a living. What hyprocracy that is. The Preacher is WORKING on Sunday, the preacher is making a living preaching and if he doesn't preach on Sunday's then he won't be around too long in that capacity. That happens in many other areas also. People hold others and place yoke of bondage around others when they themselves do that which they condemn.
As has been said ... Saturday is the Sabbath and will always be.