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I got into a debate a few days ago with someone that believes God doesn't look upon all sins the same. I believe sin is sin, that God (IF He exist) doesn't see one as worse than another & believe me when I say this turned into a very strong debate.

 

I would love to hear your opinion on this.

 

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That is the hypocrisy that reigns supreme. You don't see people getting hysterical over people getting divorces, having premarital sex, remarrying, etc., all of which (correct me if I am wrong) are considered "sins". I have never understood why people get so riled up over the gay issue, especially since it doesn't harm them directly.

 
Originally Posted by Kate Colombo:

The Bible teaches degrees of sin. After all, if I intentionally exceed the speed limit to get to work on time, I'm sinning. Is this the same as killing six million Jews? All sins require forgiveness, to suggest all are the same is inane.

 

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If you were speeding, that is an example of Mala prohibita

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malum_prohibitum

 

It is a crime against the law of the state.  Poor judgment for sure, but no sin.

 

 

If you commit murder, that is an example of Mala in se

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malum_in_se

 

That is a crime against all humanity.

 

Apples ~ Oranges

 

When it comes to quoting scripture, I'm definitely swimming in the shallow end of the pool so KC you're going to have to help me here.  Other than the 10 Commandments, what are the degrees of sin in the Bible?  Are the 10 Commandments written in order of degrees?

 

Not being factious.  Really want to know.

 

Thanks.

 

There's a sin you aren't going to be forgiven of, that in itself is a degree of

sin. Jesus also said render unto Caesar what belongs to Caesar. God wants

you to obey the laws of the land in which you live. Jesus doesn't read the

Bible for an answer. He's of perfect judgment and knows completely your

heart, so each sin you commit is judged separately according to his judgment.

Your frame of mind with every action be it good or bad is evaluated against

his perfect knowledge of you.  

 

 

Can I say one more thing about this Mala prohibita bidness?

 

Good.

 

Lets say one minute the government says something is okay and the next minute its a bad thing.  Like Clinton's ban on certain semi-automatic firearms and magazines.  Folks were charged with crimes for violating that ban.  Paid fines, went to jail.  Have records.

 

But then the government in the face of reality backs off.  Reverses itself.  Lifts the ban and what was once a bad thing, put folks in jail for and ruined lives, is a bad thing no more ~ again.

 

Who sinned?

 

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Originally Posted by budsfarm:
 
Originally Posted by Kate Colombo:

The Bible teaches degrees of sin. After all, if I intentionally exceed the speed limit to get to work on time, I'm sinning. Is this the same as killing six million Jews? All sins require forgiveness, to suggest all are the same is inane.

 

+++

 

If you were speeding, that is an example of Mala prohibita

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malum_prohibitum

 

It is a crime against the law of the state.  Poor judgment for sure, but no sin.

 

 

If you commit murder, that is an example of Mala in se

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malum_in_se

 

That is a crime against all humanity.

 

Apples ~ Oranges

 

When it comes to quoting scripture, I'm definitely swimming in the shallow end of the pool so KC you're going to have to help me here.  Other than the 10 Commandments, what are the degrees of sin in the Bible?  Are the 10 Commandments written in order of degrees?

 

Not being factious.  Really want to know.

 

Thanks.

 

 

Bud, I'm going to disagree. We're supposed to follow all laws that don't violate God's teachings.

 

But how about this? I tell my neighbor I'm sick and can't go to her cookout when It's really her cooking I can't stand. Isn't that a "small" sin?

My personal belief is that there are some sins considered more destructive than others.  As far as being offenses against God and God's will then all sins are equal in that they mean we have fallen short and offended God.  There is also blasphemy against God's Holy Spirit which many will attribute to different things.  Without going into the various meanings or descriptions of what that might be it is surely the most serious offense when it is referred to as the unforgivable sin.

 

As for sins that Christians commit Paul had something to say about one sin in particular and a reasoning for specifying that sin as more damaging to the Christian.

1 Corinthians 6:12-20 (NIV) 12  "Everything is permissible for me"--but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible for me"--but I will not be mastered by anything. 13  "Food for the stomach and the stomach for food"--but God will destroy them both. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body.
14  By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also. 15  Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never!
16  Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, "The two will become one flesh." 17  But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit. 18  Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. 19  Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20  you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.

When a Christ sins sexually then they are committing that sin with and against their own body and that's where God's Holy Spirit dwells, along with our inner spirit and thus because of that Paul list that sin as more damaging.  

 

It is also, I believe, important, when talking about sin,, to realize that even though mankind is slave to sin and are sinners God provided a way to escape His assigned judgment against sins and that is through the blood sacrifice of Christ, on the Cross.   God, Himself became a scapegoat for us, someone to take the penalty of our sins upon themselves, so that we could appear sinless to God when it comes to Judgment against those sins.   Fort those who reject Christ Sacrifice then they will face Judgment without an advocate. 

 

As for what that judgment will entail I do believe that some sins are treated far more grievous than others but everyone sins, even Christians, and continue to sin for no human is perfect however for those who accept God's Gift, Christ sacrifice then they, as far as judgment goes, will appear as without sin for their sins are and were covered by Christ blood. 

 

 

Originally Posted by Kate Colombo:
Originally Posted by budsfarm:
 
Originally Posted by Kate Colombo:

The Bible teaches degrees of sin. After all, if I intentionally exceed the speed limit to get to work on time, I'm sinning. Is this the same as killing six million Jews? All sins require forgiveness, to suggest all are the same is inane.

 

+++

 

If you were speeding, that is an example of Mala prohibita

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malum_prohibitum

 

It is a crime against the law of the state.  Poor judgment for sure, but no sin.

 

 

If you commit murder, that is an example of Mala in se

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malum_in_se

 

That is a crime against all humanity.

 

Apples ~ Oranges

 

When it comes to quoting scripture, I'm definitely swimming in the shallow end of the pool so KC you're going to have to help me here.  Other than the 10 Commandments, what are the degrees of sin in the Bible?  Are the 10 Commandments written in order of degrees?

 

Not being factious.  Really want to know.

 

Thanks.

 

 

Bud, I'm going to disagree. We're supposed to follow all laws that don't violate God's teachings.

 

But how about this? I tell my neighbor I'm sick and can't go to her cookout when It's really her cooking I can't stand. Isn't that a "small" sin?

 

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Bud, I'm going to disagree. We're supposed to follow all laws that don't violate God's teachings.

 

Render unto Caesar.  Got it.  One of those "degrees" the Bible mentions?

 

But violating Caesar's law is a criminal offense, not a sin.  Criminal offenses, you beg for mercy.  Sin, you pray for forgiveness.  Commit murder and you'll understand the difference.

 

Another difference is man's law is imperfect.  It's a work in progress actually.  And is often the case, it is those who stand up for their rights who are most often prosecuted.  Think of women's suffrage.  Civil rights.  And defenders of the Second Amendment. 

 

Rather than lie to my neighbor, I would honor her invitation and attend her cookout.  More than likely, there would be something I liked and fill myself up on that.  From there, you just ad lib ... oh this was so good ... oh, I ate too much ... oh, etc.  OMG!  I'm teaching you how to lie.

 

But for me not to attend, there would have to be a lot more going on that I didn't like than her cooking.  That kinda hits home, huh? 

 

If perchance my actions were considered a little white lie that it is, I have all confidence If I whispered "forgive me Lord." He would without governmental interference.

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