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Admittingly I am and was for Donald Trump once he secured the Republican nomination.  I was strongly against Hillary Clinton and considered her a non-candidate and would have supported almost anyone over her.  That said I wish Trump all the success possible and hope he is, as he said he would be, the most successful and most loved President ever.

Okay saying that I have to admit, and say, that I believe he most definitely has the patient on the biggest ego of any President we have had in history.  Some would say he has unlimited confidence and is just confident in his abilities but then given much of his bombastic actions and how he says much of what he does I have to believe that a great deal has to do with his own personal ego which thankfully is fed by his current position and continued ability to draw supporting crowds to his stomp speeches that he gives from time to time.

All that said I have to also admit that I'm fearful that the promised "good times" or "GREAT TIMES" as promised, might come up short or greatly subdued.  Not that it's the fault of President Trump that Obamacare hasn't been defunded or eliminated but President Trump does have, at his disposal, measures or actions which could go a long way toward beefing up the confidence that people initially had in him.  I believe he should immediately remove the Government subsidiaries on Healthcare/Insurance that Obama placed there to give Congress and their staffers GOLD type Insurance plans that means they have absolutely NO DEDUCTIBLES with their Healthcare.  They should suffer the same problems the American people do and maybe then they might consider to take more immediate action to remedy the problems.   

Today we hear of yet another record Stock Market Gain and it all seems without end and feeds upon optimism surrounding President Trump's agenda and promises, specifically the promises that are business friendly such as removing restrictions and regulations around Obamacare and other Government imposed costly (to business) actions.   Also chief among the optimistic hopes is the reduction of the Cooperate and business tax rate that was promised that would bring down America's tax rate to below much of the rest of the Worlds and for many would greatly increase investment in America again and bring about many more jobs.  That is the great problem though and the catch 22.  Without the tax cuts, this year, the great optimism will (my opinion) turn into great depression among those who thought it was a done deal that certain tax measures would take affect immediately if not surely by the end of the first year of Trump's First term. 

As I see it what goes up (fast) can come down (faster).  I truly believe without the promised tax rate reduction along with little to no action on the promised infrastructure improvements or projects will lead to a horrendous drop on Wall Street that will eliminate the optimistic gains that came due to Trump's election and promises.   I don't think President Trump anticipated the opposition and obstruction that he would get from the Democrats or at least the degree of it and I certainly am confident that he didn't anticipate the destructive opposition that his own party would give him.  Government, by design, moves slowly but it should be apparent, after the last election, what the American public, as a whole wanted and wants, and thus although the Republicans don't have an absolute majority they do have control of all branches of Government and therefore will be held responsible for their inability to get things done even in the face of total Democratic obstruction and opposition.  

Many in the Republican party still want to see Trump fail because of who he is and what he is even if that means the destruction of their own party and the loss of one or more branch of Government.   We are at a point now that President Trump needs to take a note from Obama's notebook and start making executive orders to stir Congress to act and wake up.  Short of action on tax rates and infrastructure projects/spending that was promised, given the total inability to stop Obamacare, could very well be a political snowball rolling downhill and alone destroy people's optimism that the promises will be kept and addressed.   Time will tell but my fears are that the Stock Market gains may be erased and financial destruction may loom just in the coming months.

Be as the Bereans ( Acts 17:11 )

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jtdavis posted:

I really don't want Trump to fail. I'm an American before being a liberal democrat. I think his biggest fault is, he spent 40 years being the owner-boss and no one could tell him no. Now, people are telling him no, both on his side and against him and he don't know how to cope with it.

I can appreciate that reply because whether the President, in office, is Liberal or Conservative, Democrat or Republican (and that goes for Congress also) when they fail then it doesn't bode well for the American people as a whole.  Each party is guilty of offenses and bad legislation but one thing that makes the Democrats embolden in their actions is that they are never held to account by the national media.  They can get away with bad legislation more times than Republicans and that's one way we got the Healthcare insurance that we have now. 

I don't care which party is in control I don't have faith that our representatives, government employees can take care of our healthcare issues simply because of the huge private interest parties that get involved in everything that the politicians do.  They want to make sure that they get their piece of the pie and their pie is usually tremendously fat and beneficial unto them.  

Healthcare is one of the few areas that Americans purchase where they don't or can't know the cost before they make their decisions but rather have to wait until they get an insurance statement or bill from the provider in order to find out how much they were charged.  That shouldn't be.  Going right along with that is the different rates that people with insurance are charged verses people that don't have insurance.  Medical providers and service providers should have to list their charges or cost up front so that patients can make choices regarding their healthcare and where they go for services to be performed.  This is one area that the Government can or could intervene and take action requiring such charges and cost to be published.   As it is three different people may get three different charges based entirely upon whether or not they have insurance and/or what type of insurance they have.  I know this deviates from the original topic but pulling it back around to that topic I don't see healthcare insurance being addressed in this legislative session and I hope that it doesn't hold hostage other legislation that is critical to keeping and instilling confidence in Trump's ability to do what he said he could do.  

I also think you are correct with regards to Trump being accustomed to private industry and not accustomed to the politics of Washington.  I still though believe that a large part of what makes Trump .. Trump is his enormous ego.  Some may see it as confidence but I think that may be a part of it but I also think that he needs to feel superior and the best at anything and everything he does.  I also think that the left and the media does a great injustice not giving the man a chance and otherwise declaring outright war on the man and anything he does.  It will be interesting to see how that plays out in the mid-terms and if people remain loyal to Trump even in the face of some legislative setbacks.

jtdavis posted:

I really don't want Trump to fail. I'm an American before being a liberal democrat. I think his biggest fault is, he spent 40 years being the owner-boss and no one could tell him no. Now, people are telling him no, both on his side and against him and he don't know how to cope with it.

Ha! Real funny from you. You call him names, spit your vile and lying fake stories at him, ask if we're "ready for Pence", but you don't want Trump to fail. Yeah, right. No one was more petty and angry than Obama when anyone told him no, but you anti-Americans loved him and that bush pig he calls his wife. You can't be an American and vote Democratic. Still waiting for those posts.

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giftedamateur posted:
jtdavis posted:

I really don't want Trump to fail. I'm an American before being a liberal democrat. I think his biggest fault is, he spent 40 years being the owner-boss and no one could tell him no. Now, people are telling him no, both on his side and against him and he don't know how to cope with it.

Ha! Real funny from you. You call him names, spit your vile and lying fake stories at him, ask if we're "ready for Pence", but you don't want Trump to fail. Yeah, right. No one was more petty and angry than Obama when anyone told him no, but you anti-Americans loved him and that bush pig he calls his wife. You can't be an American and vote Democratic. Still waiting for those posts.

I believe people should be open about voting Democratic but only in order to save the party.  The Democrats have been Hijacked by ultra left wing liberals and I believe they are like bulls seeing red and Trump is the red they are preoccupied with. 

So in order to save the Democratic party the party needs fresh new Conservative blood to counter the poison that has taken it over and now controls it.  The Republicans are proving themselves to be none better as they can't seem to figure out how to lead and legislate as the majority party.  If they can't get it in gear they could bring about another Democratic victory period and given the Democrats current leadership and makeup that would be horrible as these Democrats are nothing but ultra liberal US hating politicians but at least the know how to yield power when they have it, something Republicans haven't done yet.  At least that's my own opinion

gbrk posted:
giftedamateur posted:
jtdavis posted:

I really don't want Trump to fail. I'm an American before being a liberal democrat. I think his biggest fault is, he spent 40 years being the owner-boss and no one could tell him no. Now, people are telling him no, both on his side and against him and he don't know how to cope with it.

Ha! Real funny from you. You call him names, spit your vile and lying fake stories at him, ask if we're "ready for Pence", but you don't want Trump to fail. Yeah, right. No one was more petty and angry than Obama when anyone told him no, but you anti-Americans loved him and that bush pig he calls his wife. You can't be an American and vote Democratic. Still waiting for those posts.

I believe people should be open about voting Democratic but only in order to save the party.  The Democrats have been Hijacked by ultra left wing liberals and I believe they are like bulls seeing red and Trump is the red they are preoccupied with. 

So in order to save the Democratic party the party needs fresh new Conservative blood to counter the poison that has taken it over and now controls it.  The Republicans are proving themselves to be none better as they can't seem to figure out how to lead and legislate as the majority party.  If they can't get it in gear they could bring about another Democratic victory period and given the Democrats current leadership and makeup that would be horrible as these Democrats are nothing but ultra liberal US hating politicians but at least the know how to yield power when they have it, something Republicans haven't done yet.  At least that's my own opinion

And the Republicans have been hijacked by the alt-right.  The moderates of both parties and independents need to start acting like adults to drown out the crazies.

gbrk posted:
giftedamateur posted:
jtdavis posted:

I really don't want Trump to fail. I'm an American before being a liberal democrat. I think his biggest fault is, he spent 40 years being the owner-boss and no one could tell him no. Now, people are telling him no, both on his side and against him and he don't know how to cope with it.

Ha! Real funny from you. You call him names, spit your vile and lying fake stories at him, ask if we're "ready for Pence", but you don't want Trump to fail. Yeah, right. No one was more petty and angry than Obama when anyone told him no, but you anti-Americans loved him and that bush pig he calls his wife. You can't be an American and vote Democratic. Still waiting for those posts.

I believe people should be open about voting Democratic but only in order to save the party.  The Democrats have been Hijacked by ultra left wing liberals and I believe they are like bulls seeing red and Trump is the red they are preoccupied with. 

So in order to save the Democratic party the party needs fresh new Conservative blood to counter the poison that has taken it over and now controls it.  The Republicans are proving themselves to be none better as they can't seem to figure out how to lead and legislate as the majority party.  If they can't get it in gear they could bring about another Democratic victory period and given the Democrats current leadership and makeup that would be horrible as these Democrats are nothing but ultra liberal US hating politicians but at least the know how to yield power when they have it, something Republicans haven't done yet.  At least that's my own opinion

Actually it would seem that the Republicans are suffering from too much diversity to govern with each group demanding their way. Factoring in the handful of leftover Rockefeller Republicans (RINO's) and the libertarians, there are several different flavors of conservatives in the mix. I suspect that the more monolithic democrats have a better chance of getting 60 votes in the Senate to get legislation to the floor by picking off the RINO wing if they could just get over themselves and bargain just a little.

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