A Child of Satan

Most times it’s a woman scorned.

Barrack Hussein Obama, either child of Satan or the Anti-Christ, not sure which one yet.

Neither one gamer. He’s a savior sent by God for many poor souls here on Earth of whom are denied the crust of bread by repubs out of fear that token might be seen as being liberal.

It's odd that no one wants to touch this topic in a serious manner.

Sorry I can't answer either one, semi.

I don't believe in either of them.

I see, like all the other threads on this site-it is already being turned into an Obama-bashing thread. (No matter what forum it's in.) 

They should just rename this whole site "The TVT Political Asshattery Forum".

SMH.. Hope they can stay on topic for ya.

Semi, I don’t believe in the booger man [satan] my ownself. There is evil and I believe in the Creator but not satan. Why is it important that you know an answer? Tell us your thoughts; maybe a PM.

I think Charles Manson is a good example.  

John 8:42-47 Jesus said to them, “If God were really your Father, you would love me, because I came from God and now I am here. I did not come by my own authority; God sent me. You don’t understand what I say, because you cannot accept my teaching. You belong to your father the devil, and you want to do what he wants. He was a murderer from the beginning and was against the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he tells a lie, he shows what he is really like, because he is a liar and the father of lies. But because I speak the truth, you don’t believe me. Can any of you prove that I am guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? The person who belongs to God accepts what God says. But you don’t accept what God says, because you don’t belong to God.” 

there you go semi Cain was the devil and he's dead.

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I don't think anyone knows semi. I don't believe satan exists, so all I can go by is what people who say he exists and they worship him, say and do. But then, you have the same problem with them as you do christians. It looks like they use satan in all different ways, just like the so called believers use their god in different ways. I know there are some who are evil, and just like so called christians, use their belief to justify the bad things they do. Then you have some that don't do evil. Too, if christians want to blame satan for bad things, they are going to have to give him credit for good things too, when his followers do good things and live good lives.

If you listen to some christians, they will tell you that atheists worship or serve satan. That's really stupid when you think about it, why would an atheist believe in, and worship a satan, but not believe in a god? They can't answer that one. I guess when the fundies get religion back in schools, and have to allow all religions in, there will be visiting satanists that can explain to all the little kids what they believe.

Hi Jennifer Best and Quail,

Then, who do Satanists worship?

And, Quail, how do you account for this:

1 Peter 5:8, "Be of sober spirit, be on the alert. Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour."

"satan" occurs 54 times in 47 verses in the NASB

"satan" occurs 56 times in 49 verses in the KJV

Luke 22:3, "And Satan entered into Judas who was called Iscariot, belonging to the number of the twelve."

Luke 22:31, "Simon, Simon, behold, Satan has demanded permission to sift you like wheat."

2 Corinthians 11:14, "No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light."

1 Timothy 5:15, "For some have already turned aside to follow Satan."

Revelation 20:2, "And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years."

Revelation 20:7, "When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison."

Seems to me that God is quite serious about the old adversary, Satan.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

AND THIS IS THE ABSOLUTE AND FINAL PROOF!

SATAN DOES EXIST!

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Then what is your explanation of the scriptures that speak of Satan? There's one scripture, I think in 1Timothy, that says some have already turned aside to follow Satan. Can you explain that one? How can you believe in God but not Satan, when both go hand in hand?

I don't know if you're serious in the things you say or if you're just being goofy.

Why do I want an answer? Because there's people that claim Christianity but you can know by the way they talk & the way they treat others that they're a child of Satan. Just curious what others would say a child of Satan is but no one wants to say.

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I never understood that one either.

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Another logical fallacy on your part.  So you are saying that if someone worships a particular god, that god exists.

That is very New Age of you Johhny.

if one believes in the Creator there can be no satan. get it vic? you thick skull. yo boyz invented satan not me.

If you toss out Satan -- you have to toss out the Bible as well!  I refer to my previous post.   So, my Friend, does Obama already have you tossing out the Bible?  

Not to worry!  In 2014 and 2016 we conservatives will toss out Obama's Liberals and bring America back into balance.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

That is not true semi. This is something that has been totally made up and cannot be backed up without adding to or taking away from Scripture. It is an all out lie. Satan (and his Christian children) wants you to believe it.

2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Who in the world claims to be "ministers of righteousness" besides Christian teachers? They talk the talk but they dont walk the walk. They look like and talk like followers of Christ but their hearts are far from God.

2Ti 3:5  Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

Jesus to the scribes and pharisee of not only then but today also. 

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 

Note that Satan was a murderer from the BEGINNING.

An excellent and Scripture based study has been done on this subject. 

 <small>The Origin of Satan, Evil, and Sin </small>   @ http://bible-truths.com/lake2.html

Short copy and paste below.

THREE POSSIBLE ANSWERS

1. ACCORDING TO ATHEISTS: The human race is the byproduct of a blind, unintelligent, accidental, evolutionary process started billions of years ago by a humongous cosmic BIG BANG. Therefore NO HIGHER POWER is responsible for anything. If anyone believes this, then the Scripture speaks to YOU when it says: 
   
   "The FOOL has said in his heart, ‘There IS NO God’" (Psalm 53:1).

2. ACCORDING TO CHRISTENDOM: The human race and angelic messengers are the perfect creation of an all-wise, all-powerful, all-knowing, undeceivable, untrickable, unfoolable, intelligent, and loving GOD. That’s the good news. Here’s the bad: God’s first and most perfect specimen created out of the combined intelligence, power and wisdom of a perfect God, was a great spirit archangel they call, Lucifer. (Incidentally and Scripturally, "Lucifer" was never a proper noun or name for anyone)!
   
   The Christian teaching is that before God ever created the first man, this perfect archangel whom Christians call Lucifer, went bad! He was perfect but he turned bad! He turned into a bad angel (excuse me, archangel.) Did God create him to turn bad? No. Did God know that he would turn bad? No. Did God wish that he hadn’t turned bad? Yes. But was there anything God could do about it? No. Why did God’s first and greatest creation to that time malfunction? How can a PERFECT creation by a PERFECT Creator ... malfunction? "Houston ... WE HAVE A PROBLEM"! God doesn’t have a problem; Christendom has a problem. And it is the BIGGEST single problem in all Christendom! It is huge. It is this very Satanic LIE that has given birth to the most evil doctrines on the face of the earth in the history of the world! 
   
   According to this Christian theory [hypothesis,] the very first thing that The Omnipresent, Omnipotent, Omniscient, Creator God made, not only malfunctioned, but turned into a ****ABLE, DIABOLICAL DEVIL! This devil has ever since, relentlessly wreaked havoc on every facet of God’s creation which will consummate with a lake of fire that will continue to insanely torture most of the human race for all eternity! Salvation is pictured as God’s nearly vain attempt to salvage but a few from the grasp of this colossal cosmic experiment gone amok! God’s Spiritual Frankenstein Monster has turned on Him and His children. And it has already been predetermined that Satan will be the final Victor when all the marbles are counted. Not a pretty picture. This is the god that the world of paganism is supposed to put their eternal confidence in! A god who cannot or will not protect his own children from this cosmic wolf in sheep's clothing. (Small "g" intended.) And you think I am too hard on the doctrines of Christendom? You have no idea. 
   
   Hence it is Satan that is supposedly responsible for introducing evil into the world. Satan supposedly chose to disobey God and therefore we also must choose, on our own, by our own power, as to whether we will follow and obey Satan; or follow and obey God. This is the Christian position on this matter of good and evil.

3. ACCORDING TO GOD AND THE SCRIPTURES: Don’t get me wrong, Christendom did not originate this theological problem (Satan did they merely continue to parrot the original author. Satan LIES! Yes he does. He is a LIAR, and the FATHER of lies and he has ALWAYS been that way since his CREATION (John 8:44). Satan was NOT "Lucifer" (a supposed perfect archangel) from the beginning; Satan was "Satan" from the beginning. Satan is an EVIL creature. He has been an evil creature from his very creation. Satan is not the result of a Godly experiment gone wrong! Satan is functioning PERFECTLY as God’s adversary. Satan is essential to the purpose and salvation of the whole human race. That is why God created him in the first place.

ACCORDING TO CHRISTENDOM: The human race and angelic messengers are the perfect creation of an all-wise, all-powerful, all-knowing, undeceivable, untrickable, unfoolable, intelligent, and loving GOD.

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That's the foolish belief.

Wul semi what role does your satan play in Bill's OSAS?

If I believed that God/satan were real then I would believe that satan made people do bad things so a child of the devil would be murderers and child molesters, people like Bernie Madoff, people who start cults that mislead people into doing wrong things to name a few.

I think that some people make poor choices and then try to blame it on the devil, as though they had no choice. I also think that some people do bad things because they are mentally ill.

I often wonder why some people chose to do bad instead of good. Why choose evil over goodness?

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Assume for a moment that God is real. He made all of us, the good, the bad & the ugly. (remember that movie?)

He knows what we're going to eventually be like while we're still a baby. He already knows which of us is going to kill & which isn't. He knows which of us is going to be a pretend Christian & which of us is going to be the real deal. He knows which of us don't want to play his games, & which ones will play. It's all mapped out. He already knows which of us will be allowed in Heaven (according to the Bible, that number is very few) & which of us He will throw into the fire pit he made.

Just think, all those people that call themselves a Christian, won't go where they're expecting to go.

God was the one that made some people to do bad instead of good. He made them to choose evil over goodness. It all started out as His plan, & continues today. He made Satan for His front man, hoping people would blame Satan for all the terrible things that He knew would happen. He didn't want people to figure out it was Him all along.

Which religion is it that believes everything is pre-ordained?

I just can't believe that is the way it is.

I was raised as a young child to believe that God knows all. How could anyone that did the things He did, not know? There's scriptures that speak of God knowing all.

In John 21:17  Peter said to Jesus, "Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You."

In Proverbs 15:3it says the eyes of the LORD are in every place, Keeping watch on the evil and the good.

And in Genesis 16:11-13,He told an Angel she was with child, that she would have a son. He even told her what she would name him, that he would be a wild man; & that his hand would be against every man.

I’ve always seen the Bible as a contradiction. Matthew 24 & Mark 13 claims Jesus' knowledge is limited, but John 16 claims his knowledge is complete. IF any of it is true, which is it?

Hi GD,

Is that long copy/paste from your Urantia Book bible -- or from your cult "Universalist" church teachings?

One day, my Friend, I pray that you will lay aside all your cult and extraterrestrial mumbo-jumbo and get into a true Christ-center, Bible-teaching fellowship where you can develop a saving relationship with Jesus Christ.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Good point, maybe Gray can answer that.  

Hi Semi,

It's pretty obvious who Ezekiel 28: 12-19 is talking about. Says it right there in the first sentence. 

Eze 28:12  Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

It's not that God thinks Tyrus is perfect, but that Tyrus and it's people thinks they are perfect, as stated a few versus earlier.

Eze 27:2 Now, thou son of man, take up a lamentation for Tyrus;
Eze 27:3 And say unto Tyrus, O thou that art situate at the entry of the sea, which art a merchant of the people for many isles, Thus saith the Lord GOD; O Tyrus, thou hast said, I am of perfect beauty.
Eze 27:4 Thy borders are in the midst of the seas, thy builders have perfected thy beauty.

Revelation 12:7-12 and Revelation in general should never be read in a literal sense. Jesus only taught in parables and He continues to do so in Revelation. Why would He change?

Oh there was ( is and will be) a war in "Heaven" alright, but it is a war being fought in the heavens or MINDS of Christ's followers in times past and now. Someday this war will be fought in the minds of all people.  

We think too highly of ourselves. We pretend to be more powerful, more beautiful, more in control than we really are. We are so vain. Just like Tyrus exalted itself and was vain in so many ways. We really need to be brought down a notch or two. 

Keep in mind we are not fighting a physical fight. It is a fight of the mind and the heart, or the "high places" as Paul in the book of Ephesians puts it . 

Eph 6:12  For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 

Hope this helps

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I'm shocked! Do you actually believe what that old man says? I have our forum Satan worshiper on block.You may read his post but remember.....he's a liar.

Hi Smokey and Chick,

Since GD's post come from his cult Urantia Book bible or from his cult Universalist church teachings, i will not even bother with what he posts.  He has never posted anything except from one of those cult sources, or from another cult source begun by Herbert W. Armstrong.

One attribute of cult churches and cult teachings -- is that they will quote from the Bible for a while just to lull folks into believing that what they are bringing to the table is Christian.  They may even quote 7 or 8 Scripture verses somewhat correctly.  But, once they have lulled folks into accepting what they are saying without question -- then, they will slip their cult theology teachings in, often  unnoticed.   That is why they try to use a lot of Christianese language -- while teaching a religion which is not Christian.

So, GD is true to his cult teachers; trying to sneak in false teachings after lulling folks into a stupor.  Sorry, GD, no cigar!

Now, Chick and Peede, you two have raised qood questions and comments in earlier posts in this discussion.  And, if you will visit the new discussion titled "The Real Problem - Spiritual Death!" -- you will find that I have addressed your questions and comments.If you are not interested, not a problem.  At least others will be able to read our dialogue.God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,Bill

Hi Bill. Although I respect your right to believe what you do I do not share your beliefs. I don't believe that God wrote the bible so it doesn't matter what it says [to me]. That is a problem I have with Christians--they believe everything in the bible, that it is true. Well, actually, I don't have a problem with people believing the bible. I guess what I have a problem with is that most Christians close their minds to the fact that other people's beliefs are just as valid as theirs. I think people's relationship with God is a personal thing, that it is up to us to think and question and wonder with the brains he gave us and to find our way as best we can. 

Hi Peede,

You tell me, "That is a problem I have with Christians -- they believe everything in the bible, that it is true.  Well, actually, I don't have a problem with people believing the bible.  I guess what I have a problem with is that most Christians close their minds to the fact that other people's beliefs are just as valid as theirs."

My Friend, if you owned a high powered Maserati automobile and it came with the Maintenance & Operations Manuals from the manufacturer in Italy -- would you believe that manual to be the true, valid, and accurate Manual to use?  Or would you just trust in the Model-T Ford manual you found in the attic?

That is why Christians rely upon the Bible given to us by God; for it comes from the Original Equipment Manufacturer Himself, God.   Yes, you could use your Model-T Ford manual -- and, you may occasionally get something right.  When the manual tells you that a tire which is flat should be replaced; it matters little whether that info comes from your Model-T manual or from your Maserati Maintenance & Operations Manuals -- that info is true.

However, if you are using your Model-T manual in an effort to fine tune the engine of your Maserati to make it run better -- you will be in deep trouble.

That is exactly what happens when folks deny God and His Written Word, the Bible -- and try to substitute Society's Norms Manual.  They get in trouble, finding that their spiritual engines run very rough.   

Yes, you can go by the Liberal Society's Norms manual today, i.e., look at two women or two men who today's society tell us are now married -- and claim they are normal.   But, I promise you -- their spiritual engine is running very rough.  Only a one man-one woman marriage as defined in God's Bible will correct their problem of spiritual sputter.

So, it is up to you.  Do you want a finely tuned spiritual engine -- or do you want to sputter down life's highway, trying to appear as though your Maserati-styled spiritual engine is operating normally?   If you want a spiritual engine which is going to give you the performance you were designed for -- you have to stay with the Original Equipment Manufacturer's manual, the Bible.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Your analogy is invalid, BeeG.

All piston engines work exactly the same way-just some are bigger and more complicated than others.

Here's the real difference:

How many Satan limericks have you read today?

Old Satan doth everywhere work,

As he does diabolical work.

Like a lion on the prowl,

He doth angrily growl,

But he knows deep inside he's a jerk!

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You are referring to the religious bodies that constitute so-called "Reformed" tradition.  This includes most Presbyterians and, of course, the various denominations that have the word "Reformed" in their names, e.g. "Dutch Reformed."  There is a lot of Reform theology among many Baptist groups also.  The deranged doctrines of the Reform belief system posit that God decided from before he created man that certain individuals would be doomed to hell and others would inevitably be saved eternally.  John Calvin was the prime proponent of this ****able, deceitful and un-Biblical doctrine.  The term "Calvinist" is essentially equal to "Reformed." Calvinism or "Reformed" theology includes the false doctrine that once a person is saved, he or she can never be lost.

Lately, it has become fashionable among the Calvinist crowd to refer to their theology as the "doctrines of grace," rather than as "Calvinism." This is simply a euphemistic little word game that does nothing to soften the corrupt doctrines of John Calvin and his disciples, past or present. To assert that "grace" in any way defines a God who arbitrarily and summarily decides eons  before a person is born that such person will inevitably go to hell is an egregious abuse of the Biblical concept of grace.