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Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Has nothing to do with Disney world or theme parks. Speaking of the businesses the Chinese, Mexicans, Indians, Iraqis, Iranians, pakastanis, any "you name its", own. Can Americans get away with that kind of discriminatory hiring? Of course not.

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Nonsense, Best.  Your comment on Chinese and Arabs having "the jobs" obviously referred to jobs in the theme park. If that is not what you meant, then you should have worded it to say what you meant.

 

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I know exactly what I meant. Don't try to tell me what I was posting. I was replying to the chinese and arab money for businesses and it had NOTHING to do with theme parks.

 

everybody's business is bestworking's business it seems. It must be the Beautiful Fairy costume.

No one here or in the media or even the State for that matter seems to really know the validity of or chances that this will come to happen.  One thing I do know for sure.  Our politicians, our own local Governments, and anyone in State government should be trying to do everything possible to insure that those who may invest in such know that they have people in all parts of the State willing to help them and work with them in making this happen.

 

It's been said that they aren't asking for additional help or funds but then when they come to talk about it then that may be when they ask for finances and support.  I, like most, am very skeptical such a wonderful thing could or would happen but I hope it does.  Remember that before Disney was even announced or anyone had any idea it might happen that they had already acquired the properties that they would need or want for the parks. 

 

Given this has been announced as a prospect you wouldn't think it would be done unless they already had something sowed up and sealed because if it was real you know property values would escalate greatly and the project cost would be much greater.  So time will tell but we can all hope regardless of the theme of the park/entertainment.   Remember Branson, MO?  It was a hole in the wall, unknown place at one time also.

Originally Posted by gbrk:

No one here or in the media or even the State for that matter seems to really know the validity of or chances that this will come to happen.  One thing I do know for sure.  Our politicians, our own local Governments, and anyone in State government should be trying to do everything possible to insure that those who may invest in such know that they have people in all parts of the State willing to help them and work with them in making this happen.

 

It's been said that they aren't asking for additional help or funds but then when they come to talk about it then that may be when they ask for finances and support.  I, like most, am very skeptical such a wonderful thing could or would happen but I hope it does.  Remember that before Disney was even announced or anyone had any idea it might happen that they had already acquired the properties that they would need or want for the parks. 

 

Given this has been announced as a prospect you wouldn't think it would be done unless they already had something sowed up and sealed because if it was real you know property values would escalate greatly and the project cost would be much greater.  So time will tell but we can all hope regardless of the theme of the park/entertainment.   Remember Branson, MO?  It was a hole in the wall, unknown place at one time also.

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gbrk, the announced scope of this Themeparkasaurus, with a projected development cost of $3,500,000,000, is so enormous that the usual considerations of "corporate welfare" in the form of tax relief, employee training, transportation access and the like take on a wholly different color than obtains with projects costing only a few millions to a few tens of millions or even a few hundreds of millions.  Contribution from public resources of even one percent of the cost of this project would come to $35,000,000.   No public (government) contribution of any such amount should be considered without 100% ironclad assurance that the project proponents have the resources and the assured funding to carry out this grand scheme. If that is not possible, then NO public funding should be committed to.  And it might well be impossible for these Disney wannabees to provide an assurance as robust and ironclad as that.

 

This goes double if the company, based on its own PR information, intends to simultaneously pursue 

an even larger and more costly Themeparkasaurus West in the Dallas/Fort Worth area. Has ANY private corporation ever undertaken a suite of development projects this costly?

 

Let us see what the slick spokespersons for this thing say a week from now.  I am certain that they have immaculately groomed the dogs and ponies that will be featured in their presentation.

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Keep in mind that there are enough mega ministers out there that have reached maximum growth potential due to logistics and this may be the next mega-level of this side of Babul.  Lessons learned from that and the charismatic movement all being close enough in language,  confusion will not be an issue. I can see this thing reaching a point that any citizen appearing non-compliant would suffer job-loss, refusal of medical attention etc. or at least a deputy stopping one every time a person left the house. This is the Armageddon for the unrighteous who have enjoyed sin for a season. Hallelujah  and so let it be!  

Be assured I wasn't thinking or indicating that I feel our Government here should put up any matching funds for as you indicated with the scope of the project there's no way they could.  Tax incentives though are a possibility as is pricing the land right and offering other promises that could be brought about IF and WHEN the project was under way or done.  If it's Chinese money then they have tons of it but there's also many others who have investment money and could be they aren't going to seek any private investment other than that which they already have commitments for.

 

What I meant was that our politicians could at least let them know we would provide a positive environment for them as they seek to build it and bring it about.  It would also mean there would have to be enormous planning on local government's part and the State to accommodate growth that would naturally follow such an enormous development.  Remember Branson wasn't but a hole in the wall before some people took notice of it and created what's there now.  If it was to happen then roadwork and infrastructure would have to come follow.  IF it's real and factual and does happen it will be a ten year project if not more most likely but either way it would be great for the area, in my opinion.  So I'll try and remain positive about it, unlike so many of our politicians who were caught off guard.  

 

One comment about that, which I overheard, was that most of the politicians are most likely upset they didn't know about it in advance so that they could have arranged to buy up land around it before it leaked out.  The only thing I keep thinking about the leak of the announcement is remembering, from a Disneyworld special on TV.   Disney never let anything leak out until they had procured all the land that they would need.  If indeed the land is to yet be purchased then either they have assurance that they can get it priced right or they already have something in the works.  I can't see anyone with any business sense go out and broadcast such a project then seek to buy the land after the announcement.  But then I don't know that much about it all anyway but fun to talk about and dream about.

Henry had a dreamvision..............

 

"In 1921, automotive tycoon Henry Ford, accompanied by Thomas Edison, came to Muscle Shoals with a vision of transforming this area into a metropolis.  “I will employ one million workers at Muscle Shoals and I will build a city 75 miles long at Muscle Shoals,” stated Mr. Ford.  The instant rumors of Ford’s plan hit the streets, real estate speculators began buying up land and parceling it out in 25 foot lots and putting in sidewalks and street lights."

Originally Posted by uandurine:

Henry had a dreamvision..............

 

"In 1921, automotive tycoon Henry Ford, accompanied by Thomas Edison, came to Muscle Shoals with a vision of transforming this area into a metropolis.  “I will employ one million workers at Muscle Shoals and I will build a city 75 miles long at Muscle Shoals,” stated Mr. Ford.  The instant rumors of Ford’s plan hit the streets, real estate speculators began buying up land and parceling it out in 25 foot lots and putting in sidewalks and street lights."

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And it was TVA that pretty much killed the deal.

Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

You folks get your money ready.  They will need plenty of investors to raise that kind of cash. 

 

And while I agree that the Branson model might work here, this isn't the same thing.  Branson started as one club by a relatively big name performer.

 

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Dollywood and DisneyWorld/Land are some others.

 

But who can forget Heritage USA, "then the third most successful theme park in the US"

 

Yep.  The Shoals be on a roll.  PTL.

Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
Originally Posted by uandurine:

Henry had a dreamvision..............

 

"In 1921, automotive tycoon Henry Ford, accompanied by Thomas Edison, came to Muscle Shoals with a vision of transforming this area into a metropolis.  “I will employ one million workers at Muscle Shoals and I will build a city 75 miles long at Muscle Shoals,” stated Mr. Ford.  The instant rumors of Ford’s plan hit the streets, real estate speculators began buying up land and parceling it out in 25 foot lots and putting in sidewalks and street lights."

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And it was TVA that pretty much killed the deal.

naw crustymack it wasn't. it was Henry being hoggish. Read the congressional report.

Originally Posted by CountryBoy:
Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
Originally Posted by uandurine:

Henry had a dreamvision..............

 

"In 1921, automotive tycoon Henry Ford, accompanied by Thomas Edison, came to Muscle Shoals with a vision of transforming this area into a metropolis.  “I will employ one million workers at Muscle Shoals and I will build a city 75 miles long at Muscle Shoals,” stated Mr. Ford.  The instant rumors of Ford’s plan hit the streets, real estate speculators began buying up land and parceling it out in 25 foot lots and putting in sidewalks and street lights."

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And it was TVA that pretty much killed the deal.

naw crustymack it wasn't. it was Henry being hoggish. Read the congressional report.

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 Crusty--thanks for some truth there.  TVA did not even come into existence until over a decade after Henry Ford did his hit-and-run in the Shoals! Must we continue to suffer these nitwits who can't get the basic facts correctly?  She-e-e-sh!

Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by CountryBoy:
Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
Originally Posted by uandurine:

Henry had a dreamvision..............

 

"In 1921, automotive tycoon Henry Ford, accompanied by Thomas Edison, came to Muscle Shoals with a vision of transforming this area into a metropolis.  “I will employ one million workers at Muscle Shoals and I will build a city 75 miles long at Muscle Shoals,” stated Mr. Ford.  The instant rumors of Ford’s plan hit the streets, real estate speculators began buying up land and parceling it out in 25 foot lots and putting in sidewalks and street lights."

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And it was TVA that pretty much killed the deal.

naw crustymack it wasn't. it was Henry being hoggish. Read the congressional report.

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 Crusty--thanks for some truth there.  TVA did not even come into existence until over a decade after Henry Ford did his hit-and-run in the Shoals! Must we continue to suffer these nitwits who can't get the basic facts correctly?  She-e-e-sh!

I think crusty was on the other side of your basic facts, nitwit.

Originally Posted by uandurine:
Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by CountryBoy:
Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
Originally Posted by uandurine:

Henry had a dreamvision..............

 

"In 1921, automotive tycoon Henry Ford, accompanied by Thomas Edison, came to Muscle Shoals with a vision of transforming this area into a metropolis.  “I will employ one million workers at Muscle Shoals and I will build a city 75 miles long at Muscle Shoals,” stated Mr. Ford.  The instant rumors of Ford’s plan hit the streets, real estate speculators began buying up land and parceling it out in 25 foot lots and putting in sidewalks and street lights."

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And it was TVA that pretty much killed the deal.

naw crustymack it wasn't. it was Henry being hoggish. Read the congressional report.

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 Crusty--thanks for some truth there.  TVA did not even come into existence until over a decade after Henry Ford did his hit-and-run in the Shoals! Must we continue to suffer these nitwits who can't get the basic facts correctly?  She-e-e-sh!

I think crusty was on the other side of your basic facts, nitwit.

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Sorry, urine, I simply misread.  I credited the wrong source. No need for the 'nitwit" barb.

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Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by uandurine:
Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by CountryBoy:
Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
Originally Posted by uandurine:

Henry had a dreamvision..............

 

"In 1921, automotive tycoon Henry Ford, accompanied by Thomas Edison, came to Muscle Shoals with a vision of transforming this area into a metropolis.  “I will employ one million workers at Muscle Shoals and I will build a city 75 miles long at Muscle Shoals,” stated Mr. Ford.  The instant rumors of Ford’s plan hit the streets, real estate speculators began buying up land and parceling it out in 25 foot lots and putting in sidewalks and street lights."

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And it was TVA that pretty much killed the deal.

naw crustymack it wasn't. it was Henry being hoggish. Read the congressional report.

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 Crusty--thanks for some truth there.  TVA did not even come into existence until over a decade after Henry Ford did his hit-and-run in the Shoals! Must we continue to suffer these nitwits who can't get the basic facts correctly?  She-e-e-sh!

I think crusty was on the other side of your basic facts, nitwit.

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Sorry, urine, I simply misread.  I credited the wrong source. No need for the 'nitwit" barb.

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The barb at the end was just an afterthought borrowed from your post.

 

WAFF is following this story pretty closely.  They report two cases of defaults on promissory notes by Rick Silanskas, the CEO of that pipe dream company.  Best I can tell, these were personal loans, not loans for the company, but not certain on that.  Maybe he can 'splain that next week when he comes to the Shoals to puff his project plans. WAFF will do the area a favor if they attend and serve up some hard questions for this voluble entrepreneur.

 

http://www.waff.com/story/2803...al-issues-in-florida

Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by CountryBoy:
Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
Originally Posted by uandurine:

Henry had a dreamvision..............

 

"In 1921, automotive tycoon Henry Ford, accompanied by Thomas Edison, came to Muscle Shoals with a vision of transforming this area into a metropolis.  “I will employ one million workers at Muscle Shoals and I will build a city 75 miles long at Muscle Shoals,” stated Mr. Ford.  The instant rumors of Ford’s plan hit the streets, real estate speculators began buying up land and parceling it out in 25 foot lots and putting in sidewalks and street lights."

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And it was TVA that pretty much killed the deal.

naw crustymack it wasn't. it was Henry being hoggish. Read the congressional report.

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 Crusty--thanks for some truth there.  TVA did not even come into existence until over a decade after Henry Ford did his hit-and-run in the Shoals! Must we continue to suffer these nitwits who can't get the basic facts correctly?  She-e-e-sh!

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Well sorry about that Contendah.   Wilson dam was here then, correct?  And Ford wanted the US Government to sell him the dam for some ridiculously low price, correct?  And the US Government said "no", correct?  TVA is an agency of the US Government, correct?  So the US Government, which put the dam in the hands of TVA said, "no".  So I will amend my statement to be completely factually correct - And it was the US Government - which still controls the dam and quite a bit of the surrounding area, under the guise of TVA - that pretty much killed the deal.  She-e-e-sh!

Originally Posted by Contendah:
 

WAFF is following this story pretty closely.  They report two cases of defaults on promissory notes by Rick Silanskas, the CEO of that pipe dream company.  Best I can tell, these were personal loans, not loans for the company, but not certain on that.  Maybe he can 'splain that next week when he comes to the Shoals to puff his project plans. WAFF will do the area a favor if they attend and serve up some hard questions for this voluble entrepreneur.

 

http://www.waff.com/story/2803...al-issues-in-florida

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From your article:

 

However,  multiple financial institutions in the state of Florida filed lawsuits against The DreamVision Company's CEO Richard Silanskas and his former company, DreamVision Studios, while he was operating there.

 

Must we continue to suffer these nitwits who can't get the basic facts correctly?

 

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the gummit killed it for good reason. Ford only agreed to make electricity and sell it his price. he would not commit to producing fertilizer for farmers at a decent price . The nitrate plants as it turned out weren't used in the war effort I don't think. Ford wanted to pay for the dams in payments that essentially would be chicken feed. Alabama Power had other motives to charge the devil out of customers in the valley if they had made the deal.

Originally Posted by CountryBoy:

the gummit killed it for good reason. Ford only agreed to make electricity and sell it his price. he would not commit to producing fertilizer for farmers at a decent price . The nitrate plants as it turned out weren't used in the war effort I don't think. Ford wanted to pay for the dams in payments that essentially would be chicken feed. Alabama Power had other motives to charge the devil out of customers in the valley if they had made the deal.

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War was over right before the nitrate plants could be completed, if I remember correctly.

Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
Originally Posted by Contendah:
 

WAFF is following this story pretty closely.  They report two cases of defaults on promissory notes by Rick Silanskas, the CEO of that pipe dream company.  Best I can tell, these were personal loans, not loans for the company, but not certain on that.  Maybe he can 'splain that next week when he comes to the Shoals to puff his project plans. WAFF will do the area a favor if they attend and serve up some hard questions for this voluble entrepreneur.

 

http://www.waff.com/story/2803...al-issues-in-florida

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From your article:

 

However,  multiple financial institutions in the state of Florida filed lawsuits against The DreamVision Company's CEO Richard Silanskas and his former company, DreamVision Studios, while he was operating there.

 

Must we continue to suffer these nitwits who can't get the basic facts correctly?

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My bad, but at least I posted   the most current info from the media. And I was relying on my less than complete memory of the much shorter WAFF live TV account.

 

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Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Ya'll aren't asking wwjd?

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Nah! He's the one that told them to bring it here, & to Texas two years ago, which hasn't been mentioned since.

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And the Lord said to me: “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I did not send them, nor did I command them or speak to them. They are prophesying to you a lying vision, worthless divination, and the deceit of their own minds.

 

Originally Posted by uandurine:
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Ya'll aren't asking wwjd?

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Nah! He's the one that told them to bring it here, & to Texas two years ago, which hasn't been mentioned since.

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And the Lord said to me: “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I did not send them, nor did I command them or speak to them. They are prophesying to you a lying vision, worthless divination, and the deceit of their own minds.

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O ye of little faith!  If the Good Lord can miraculously restore Rick Silanskas' mysteriously lost gift of creating music and if He can miraculously  lead Silanskas and his wife to that little lost Russian girl Silanskas claims to have dreamed about, then surely He can supply the DreamVision CEO with a mere $3.5 billion to build Themeparkasaurus of the Shoals! Just be patient and the Lord will surely, and miraculously, rain down $hower$ of ble$$ing upon this anointed enterprise!

 

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