Jack Flash posted:

Jesus taught her a French prayer which she recited daily until her death.

It reads:

"Lord Jesus, when I reflect upon the words You have uttered, 'Many are called, but few are chosen,' I begin to tremble for those I love, and I beg You to look upon them with mercy: and behold, with infinite tenderness, You place their salvation in my hands, as it were; for everything is promised to him who knows how to suffer with You and for You.
"My heart bleeds under the weight of affliction, but my will remains united to Yours, and I cry out to You: 'Lord, it is for them that I want to suffer!' I want to mingle my tears with Your Blood for the salvation of those I love! You will not turn a deaf ear to my cry of sorrow and You will save them."

 

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The notion that human tears have any actual efficacy for the salvation of lost souls is totally bogus, un-Biblical, and in fact just downright heretical. Thesource of this drivel, a stigmatic nut case, was theologically disordered in the extreme.

http://www.visionsofjesuschrist.com/weeping1384.html

The claim for this deluded lady is that she is a "victim soul." However:

<<<The Catholic Church does not officially designate anyone as a victim soul. The term stems, rather, from the testimony of those who have encountered Christians who seem to undergo the kind of redemptive suffering we have described.

The victim-soul status, even when it is genuine, is a matter of private revelation. Consequently, the Church teaches us that we are not obliged to accept, as part of the Catholic faith, the legitimacy of any particular person for whom such a claim is made, nor the genuineness of any mystical or miraculous claims that have been made in connection with such a person.>>>

https://www.osv.com/todaysissu...s-a-victim-soul.aspx

How nimbly the Catholic Church side-steps these claims, not wishing to offend the superstitious "true believers" who dote on the mystical claims of "visionaries" and attention-seeking claimants to mystical empowerments.

Now Contendahh is back after the Catholics.

giftedamateur posted:

Now Contendahh is back after the Catholics.

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Now YOU, like so many others on this and other forums, offer only generalized, unexplicated, ad hominem criticism in lieu of anything substantive.

Contendahh posted:

giftedamateur posted:

Now Contendahh is back after the Catholics.

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Now YOU, like so many others on this and other forums, offer only generalized, unexplicated, ad hominem criticism in lieu of anything substantive.

Uh, we can read the slop you post DA.

Contendahh posted:

giftedamateur posted:

Now Contendahh is back after the Catholics.

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Now YOU, like so many others on this and other forums, offer only generalized, unexplicated, ad hominem criticism in lieu of anything substantive.

Conyahushuah said

The notion that human tears have any actual efficacy for the salvation of lost souls is totally bogus, un-Biblical, and in fact just downright heretical. Thesource of this drivel, a stigmatic nut case, was theologically disordered in the extreme.

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Conduh wrote

<<<The Catholic Church does not officially designate anyone as a victim soul. The term stems, rather, from the testimony of those who have encountered Christians who seem to undergo the kind of redemptive suffering we have described.

The victim-soul status, even when it is genuine, is a matter of private revelation. Consequently, the Church teaches us that we are not obliged to accept, as part of the Catholic faith, the legitimacy of any particular person for whom such a claim is made, nor the genuineness of any mystical or miraculous claims that have been made in connection with such a person.>>>

So what's your point..??

Contendahh posted:

giftedamateur posted:

Now Contendahh is back after the Catholics.

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Now YOU, like so many others on this and other forums, offer only generalized, unexplicated, ad hominem criticism in lieu of anything substantive.

Beternnun-

Jack Flash posted:

Conduh wrote

<<<The Catholic Church does not officially designate anyone as a victim soul. The term stems, rather, from the testimony of those who have encountered Christians who seem to undergo the kind of redemptive suffering we have described.

The victim-soul status, even when it is genuine, is a matter of private revelation. Consequently, the Church teaches us that we are not obliged to accept, as part of the Catholic faith, the legitimacy of any particular person for whom such a claim is made, nor the genuineness of any mystical or miraculous claims that have been made in connection with such a person.>>>

So what's your point..??

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My POINT is made in the two paragraphs above your ignorant question.Read it again and respond to it with substance, if you can muster any.

Contendahh posted:

Jack Flash posted:

Conduh wrote

<<<The Catholic Church does not officially designate anyone as a victim soul. The term stems, rather, from the testimony of those who have encountered Christians who seem to undergo the kind of redemptive suffering we have described.

The victim-soul status, even when it is genuine, is a matter of private revelation. Consequently, the Church teaches us that we are not obliged to accept, as part of the Catholic faith, the legitimacy of any particular person for whom such a claim is made, nor the genuineness of any mystical or miraculous claims that have been made in connection with such a person.>>>

So what's your point..??

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My POINT is made in the two paragraphs above your ignorant question.Read it again and respond to it with substance, if you can muster any.

Jack Flash posted:

Contendahh posted:

Jack Flash posted:

Conduh wrote

<<<The Catholic Church does not officially designate anyone as a victim soul. The term stems, rather, from the testimony of those who have encountered Christians who seem to undergo the kind of redemptive suffering we have described.

The victim-soul status, even when it is genuine, is a matter of private revelation. Consequently, the Church teaches us that we are not obliged to accept, as part of the Catholic faith, the legitimacy of any particular person for whom such a claim is made, nor the genuineness of any mystical or miraculous claims that have been made in connection with such a person.>>>

So what's your point..??

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My POINT is made in the two paragraphs above your ignorant question.Read it again and respond to it with substance, if you can muster any.

You take from the Catholic site you posted, and post from it

random information, then drop the ball with your usual serving

of malicious criticism. The Church does recognize victim souls

and the extreme suffering for Christ but doesn't expand on it

publicly to a high degree.

 

These are some words to St Gemma about Victim Souls.

 

“My child, I have need of victims; strong victims, in order to appease the just anger of my Divine Father. I need souls who, by their sufferings, trials and sacrifices, make amends for sinners and for their ingratitude. Oh, if I could make all understand how angry My Father is by the impious world!”

 

In the same way you condemn the Catholic Church, also condemn

Jesus, because it's the wish of the Father and neither of the other

two. The same way you blame the creation of the Eucharist on the

church, all this time as it states in the Bible, the wish of the Father.

 

No, I'm not going to be able to muster up something for you

Contenduhh, we have two different gods.

 

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At the heart and core of your heresy, Jack is THIS:

“My child, I have need of victims; strong victims, in order to appease the just anger of my Divine Father. I need souls who, by their sufferings, trials and sacrifices, make amends for sinners and for their ingratitude."

Jack, it is not by the sufferings of any mortal--strong victims or otherwise-- that amends are made for sinners and their ingratitude.   It is through the sacrificial suffering and death of Jesus Christ that sinners are redeemed and made "holy and unspotted, and blameless before him."

Colossians 1:14-22Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

¹⁴ In whom we have redemption through his blood, the remission of sins;

¹⁵ Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

¹⁶ For in him were all things created in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominations, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him and in him.

¹⁷ And he is before all, and by him all things consist.

¹⁸ And he is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he may hold the primacy:

¹⁹ Because in him, it hath well pleased the Father, that all fullness should dwell;

²⁰ And through him to reconcile all things unto himself, making peace through the blood of his cross, both as to the things that are on earth, and the things that are in heaven.

²¹ And you, whereas you were some time alienated and enemies in mind in evil works:

²² Yet now he hath reconciled in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unspotted, and blameless before him:l

For anyone to posit that the atonement purchased by the suffering, death, and blood of the sinless Jesus Christ is somehow incomplete without the intervention of some sinful human "victim soul" is utterly contrary to what is clearly  taught in the word of God concerning atonement and redemption.

From your Catechism:

421 Christians believe that "the world has been established and kept in being by the Creator's love; has fallen into slavery to sin but has been set free by Christ, crucified and risen to break the power of the evil one. . ." 

Christ's death is the unique and definitive sacrifice

613 Christ's death is both the Paschal sacrifice that accomplishes the definitive redemption of men, through "the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world",⁴³⁹ and the sacrifice of the New Covenant, which restores man to communion with God by reconciling him to God through the "blood of the covenant, which was poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins".⁴⁴⁰

614 This sacrifice of Christ is unique; it completes and surpasses all other sacrifices.⁴⁴¹ First, it is a gift from God the Father himself, for the Father handed his Son over to sinners in order to reconcile us with himself. At the same time it is the offering of the Son of God made man, who in freedom and love offered his life to his Father through the Holy Spirit in reparation for our disobedience.

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Jack, Jesus does not need and never claimed to need the intervention of any sinful human as agency in any measure in the granting of forgiveness of sin.  It is through His sinless perfection that He was qualified to procure forgiveness for sinners through his death on the cross:

 2 Corinthians 5:21

He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

Conduhh said

For anyone to posit that the atonement purchased by the suffering, death, and blood of the sinless Jesus Christ is somehow incomplete without the intervention of some sinful human "victim soul" is utterly contrary to what is clearly taught in the word of God concerning atonement and redemption.

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Your Bible verses from Paul you stated are incomplete without finishing Paul's thoughts in Col 1: 14-22.

I'll just finish what Paul said.

Col 1: 23-25