A Question for our professed Democratic members

For those of you who are Democrats or Vote for Democrats, in your opinion(s):

1) What do the Democrats stand for today?  In other words when you vote for Democrats what is it that you are expecting that they are going to do for you and/or the Country? 

2) What are the Main Democrat Policies or Platforms today?

3) Are you comfortable or satisfied with Nancy Pelosi as the Main Democrat in the House and Schumer as the Main Democrat in the Senate?

4) Who do you hope runs against Donald Trump in 2020 for President?  Who do you fear the most, that might run as a candidate for President in 2020, for the Democrats?

Last Question: 5)  In what ways do you feel (if any) that today's (Obama's) Democratic Party has changed from:

  • John Kennedy/Lyndon Johnson's Democratic Party?
  • Jimmy Carter's Democratic Party?
  • Bill Clinton's Democratic Party?You may not feel that the party has changed any from the above different Presidential periods. 

 

I'm serious with the question and I'm not asking in some attempt to have folks bash the Democrats on this board but more to find out why you believe today's Democratic Party deserves serious consideration come 2018 & 2020 election years.

Be as the Bereans ( Acts 17:11 )
Original Post

Remember the lying, libelous, POS, demoslop woman that used to say all things illegal/fraudulent/unfair and costly to taxpayers and hard working legal citizens of the US that happened because of the slop's policies were just the "price of doing business"? That's the slop's mindset. Gimmethat is all they think about, and whoever is going to give them that is OK with them. They think all Republicans are rich, and hate the poor, even though so many of the slops are rich and wouldn't spit on a poor person if they were on fire. Hypocrites that have never done an honest day's work for an honest day's pay. That's all the slops are.

GBRK

#1  The female leadership seems to be more concerned with the lbgt (lower case intentional) than with the middle class blue collar people.

#2  Help the fringe elements and raise minimum wage

#3  No and no

#4  Al Franken

#5  Kennedy wasn't that popular where I lived.  Johnson wasn't after the civil rights act.                                                                                                                                        Carter had the wrong people advising him                                                                      Clinton brought back prosperity to the construction industry after Reagan and Bush.

       

 

jtdavis posted:

Dire, if you substituted the word democrat and put the word republican in its place, you would be a lot more accurate.

Democrats assassinated the first Republican president.  The other assassinations and  attempts on Republican presidents were performed by left wingers.  From 1864 to 1968, the terrorist, paramilitary arm of the Democrats, the KKK lynched about 5,000 people, including about 3,500 blacks and about 1,500 white Republicans.  When their wealth and position were threatened, the Democrats tore the nation asunder.  Then, participated in civil war.  Present day Democrat Black Shirts (and masks) attack peaceful demonstrators with weapons. One professor is in a coma from such an attack.  The same Black Shirts burnt and torched property.  The BLM torched Ferguson.  A Democrat attempted to assassinate Republican members of congress.  Need I list the threats against President Trump by Democrats. 

Fifty years ago, political parties were as much about where you were born than political ideology. There were both conservatives, moderates, and liberals in both parties; but if grandpappy or great-grandpappy supported the Union, your family always voted Republican while their southern counterparts or northern Copperheads and Irish always voted Democratic party. Things started to change post 1968 Democratic Convention with "Reagan Democrats" and "Rockefeller Republicans" changing sides; Dems with moral fiber and self reliance went Republican and corporatists and limousine liberals triangulated with Democrats.

http://www.americanthinker.com...mocratic_party_.html

Here's a couple of questions I've wondered about how liberal
democrats can believe only black lives matter and one else
has a life that would matter, and on that same train of thought,
why are liberal democrats so determined to entice emigrants
by the millions knowing they want you dead and they want
your country. Knowing for the most part they are uneducated
and lawless, knowing there will never be enough pick up sticks
jobs but for a few, to a point I would also include Mexicans.

 

jtdavis posted:

Kraven, that is the typical right wing nut, head in the sand response. You don't have a clue

Jeff, why don't you just answer the questions I've asked but not
necessarily to you. You butt in with your usual cowardly dance and
worn out replies just to prove your embarrassment for what you 
support and believe. If you don't want to answer, don't, or plead
the 5th amendment, just say "I plead the 5th."
jtdavis posted:

None of you posted anything to do with the original post. All any of you know is elementary school put downs.

Listen Einstein, the thread is asking liberals to respond, not
conservatives, and you've already given answers awhile back
with non answers. I wasn't asked to answer but I did have
concerns of my own which you're too scared to answer, like
I said, just say so without all the liberal thumb up the azz BS
stupid remarks, which aren't answers, which makes you the
only one that doesn't answer.
 
jtdavis posted:

None of you posted anything to do with the original post. All any of you know is elementary school put downs.

"Elementary school" put downs? Like the ones you're always posting to others? His original post was  questions to/for Democrats. We aren't Democrats. What part of "for/to Democrats" is confusing you?

jtdavis posted:

Dire, if you substituted the word democrat and put the word republican in its place, you would be a lot more accurate.

JT, Republicans did not commit these atrocities.

It's not the Republicans that ordered a death march for six tribes. It's not the Republicans that ordered its citizens to concentration camps. It's not the Republicans that deploy Black Shirts (and masks) to wreak violence upon the population. It's the Black Shirts that carry weapons and torch businesses in Bezerkely.  It's not a Republican that attempted to assassinate Republican members of congress.  Assassination is a method Democrats have used for generations.  They assassinated the first Republican president. Most attempted and successful assassinations of Republican presidents were made by the left.  From 1864 to 1968, the terrorist paramilitary arm of the Democrats, the KKK, lynched about 5,000 people including about 3,500 blacks and about 1,500 white Republicans.

The Russian collusion myth is falling apart. What will the Democrats do next?  Obstruction is doubtful, as there must be a crime to be obstructed.  A fishing expedition by the special counsel, probably.  If, that doesn't work -- assassination is the Democrats next tactic of choice.  Trump still employs his own security personnel -- good idea. 

Dems had better get creative fast, Comey's testimony might have started new investigations as to whether there was collusion between Ol'bama's DoJ and the Clinton campaign. Now Dems might be too distracted to invent new anti-Trump leaks lies.

GBRK - 3) Are you comfortable or satisfied with Nancy Pelosi as the Main Democrat in the House and Schumer d as the Main Democrat in the Senate?

JTD - #3  No and no

 Who do you see as their Democrat replacements?

And

GBRK - 4) Who do you hope runs against Donald Trump in 2020 for President?  Who do you fear the most, that might run as a candidate for President in 2020, for the Democrats?

JTD - #4  Al Franken

JT, Franken is the Democrat candidate you both hope and fear?  Care to elaborate?

I appreciate your answering GBRKs questions.  Appreciate a follow up on these.

 

I, as a former Democrat, former Republican and now (consider myself) Independent voter, but mostly conservative, feel that Pelosi and Schumer both don't do the Democratic party any good.  I think both are toxic just as Harry Reid was.  I believe the Democrats need newer leadership all over.  I very much believe that there needs to be a determined attempt, with the party, to establish/cultivate some more moderate and even conservative candidates in various parts of the Country that lean those directions and provide them a voice in the party and constructing the party platform.

I also believe that being against someone or against a certain thing is not a platform to run on.  If I were a Democratic candidate, here in Alabama, I'd run on seeking to find some common ground with Trump to negotiate issues.  I'd run on attempts to require healthcare providers to provide uniform or informatory pricing on various procedures so that patients could shop around for what they wanted to have done and not have to wait on the first invoice/bill to find out about how much it will cost them or find out on the day of the surgery or office visit or whatever it is.  Also Healthcare providers should have some grade or performance factor on their work/performance/services that would be available to patients, upon request, so patients could make more informed decisions.

Government should establish financial/tax incentives that would lure and bring Pharmaceutical manufacturers back to US territories and States.  Also that would give similar incentives to make medicines affordable.  Not, necessarily, regulate prices but incentives to where the companies themselves have reason to lower their cost to the public, potentially increasing trademark times where they have more time to recoup their investments.  I'd work with Republicans or Democrats and the President to bring down Corporate Taxes to around 15% and bring a great much of the money being held in foreign banks back into America.  I'd work for a better balance between regulations and incentives so as protection doesn't have to mean elimination of job opportunities.  Politicians should eliminate or highly regulate the various professional lobbies who usually get all the attention of the politicians while ordinary Americans hardly ever get heard.  Work toward identifying bad actors in the finance community that affect the market through insider information and work to keep Wall Street and those that can affect the economy so drastically keep to higher ethics and provide methods to better confront dishonesty.  Work to create atmospheres in depressed areas and states with rewards and incentives to bring back industries that have left and cultivate new ones to start newer jobs.   Declare WAR on Illegal drugs and divert more attention to stopping those from coming into the nation and punishing those at the highest levels of distribution.  Implement a better Computer access to citizens so that they have the capacity and capability to interact with their Government on a much faster method and way.  I also believe that Representatives (House Members) should have a limit on their terms that limits them to 4 terms (8 years), and to Senators 2 terms (12 years).  

If I had the ability or position, within the Government, I'd like to see legislation that would establish a new department, in Government, where as Government employees, military employees, common citizens, could route ideas and suggestions as to how to save money, increase productivity in Government, eliminate waste saving money, and through various channels to narrow down suggestions and comments to viable ones provide a reward system whereby those responsible for the savings to receive a percentage reward from the first years proven net savings, of their idea/suggestion, paid tax free into their pockets.   

My belief is that there are plenty of people in positions to see and recognize ways to save lots of money and cost, cut cost, improve production and make Government stronger and lighter but never say anything because they won't get nothing for their efforts or some pencil pusher above them would get credit or a host of other reasons they just don't say anything.  Sure there would be a boatload of ludicrous suggestions and ideas but stimulate people to say something and get rewards for good suggestions in every facet of Government, the military etc,  that puts money and rewards in their pockets.

Produce legislation that would return Health Insurance companies the ability to write policies like they had before Obamacare where deductibles were low and cost much lower than now.  For those who are long term existing conditions than establish tax incentives/credits offset the additional cost for their insurance policies.  MY BELIEF is as per the Constitution the Government should not be in the position to force people to buy anything from the private market.  Sorry I have other thoughts but that is neither here or there but Democrats need to get back to their concerns for PEOPLE that work and adjust some of their focus to account of the changing world around us.  Rather than being 100% opposite from Republicans and only telling Americans what the Republicans bill will do if passed they should be coming up with ideas on fixing what they have and telling Americans this is how we fix Obamacare and reduce rates for the patients, reduce the burden on business and increase the coverage availability and incentive for Insurance providers to get back into the market.

As for who I'd like to see the Democrats run for President I would submit Evan Byah's name.   He was the former Governor of Indiana and is a very astute politician who I believe is very well grounded and knows the common people.  I like him and feel that he would be great.   

I'm not as enthused about Al Franken and feel he's not only too controversial and far left but there was great speculation about the way he was elected.  I'd rather have Martin OMalley than him. I think Tulsi Gabbard would also be worth considering as she is a Combat Veteran and a smart, intelligent, Woman without the trash and weighs around her that hampered Hillary and would kill Pelosi and she is also young.  Also I wouldn't rule out Harold Ford Jr. as a choice but I would be opposed to Al Franken I'm afraid.  I think we need some new thinking Democrats that are willing to redesign the Party from inside and in doing so I think would invigorate the Party.  I honestly think they will have 7 years to accomplish this because I don't see Trump losing in 2020, at least not at this point.  Republicans may suffer losses in the House and potentially the Senate but I think as long as Trump goes as he is now he'll get reelected.  

If some of these new potential investigations catch wind, Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton (again) along with Loretta Lynch and finding out that Obama knew about Russian Hacking attempts but sat on them along with the exorbitant super rich type vacations and living that he's been doing since January 20th there could very well be some disenchantment among the party faithful and quite likely could see a severe split within the party into two or three fringe groups seeking to lead the party from a Bernie Sander's type to an Elizabeth Warren/Hillary Clinton/Pelosi old standards type/ and even a Jerry Brown way off in the distant moonbeam fringe, lets burn everything down.  Right now I want to see the Democrats start thinking and stop objecting and be obstructionist.  I want to see their ideas and want to see some cooperation.  When you hear people address Republicans they say we want you to reach across the isle and work with the Democrats but on the Democrat side you never hear that, but you should.  New Leadership is needed.  A Moderate (yes) and Conservative branch/wing of the party needs to be cultivated and established from new shoots and seeds at various parts of the nation.   Rather than running solely against Trump it's time to meet with Trump and ask where we can given and take?  Obamacare is going away so while Republicans can't get their thumb out of their, well you know, and do something there should be some Democratic Senators (rather than stonewalling and saying never never never) should meet with Trump and say lets see this bill and here's where you can get our support.  Here is al its of Supreme Court justices that we'd like to see if you could add to your list if we are willing to cooperate with you on this.  Anything rather than nothing.  That's sort of how I feel and see it.  

I personally believe Government should have NEVER done Obamacare/Democratic Healthcare.  Not that they shouldn't have worked with the Health industry and tried to make things better or work with the Insurance industry and make things easier but STAY WITH THE LIMITS of the Constitution and realize that POWER is directed toward and in the States and LIMITED IN the FEDERAL Government.  That's my own view though.   

 

Hope that helps.

"I, as a former Democrat, former Republican and now (consider myself) Independent voter"

Independent=demoslop but ashamed to admit it.

"I'm not as enthused about Al Franken and feel he's not only too controversial and far left but there was great speculation about the way he was elected".

Al franken was/is a comedian, a lousy one, that ran as a joke, and no one was more surprised than him when he was elected. He's still a joke, a bad one.

giftedamateur posted:

 GBRK, your posts are a bit long.

Thanks for being kind, they are exceptionally, at times painfully, and exhaustingly long, or can be.  Sometimes I am not as aware of that so for those who were inadvertently put to sleep early I apologize.  For those with insomnia  I encourage you to read twice if once is not enough.

Bestworking posted:

"I, as a former Democrat, former Republican and now (consider myself) Independent voter"

Independent=demoslop but ashamed to admit it.

"I'm not as enthused about Al Franken and feel he's not only too controversial and far left but there was great speculation about the way he was elected".

Al franken was/is a comedian, a lousy one, that ran as a joke, and no one was more surprised than him when he was elected. He's still a joke, a bad one.

I have for Democrats and Republicans over the years, far more Republicans than Democrats in the last 37 years.  I detest not having more qualified Democrats as a choice but far more Democrats, today, adhere to the Party's chosen platform/line and do not deviate one bit. 

With Democratic imposed healthcare (aka Obamacare) I made the decision that I would not vote for another Democrat based entirely on that Unconstitutional power grab and the way they accomplished it.   In some ways the Republicans are doing the EXACT same thing with the repeal process.  If it was unconstitutional for the Democrats to do it then it will be for the Republicans to keep it .  There are other ways to approach healthcare without making Health insurance companies a Government approved monopoly. 

If though a conservative or moderate Democrat can be found or is found and surfaces then I will listen to his/her platform and make my decision based upon the person.  As for the upcoming Senate race, here in Alabama I'm supporting Mo Brooks.  I detest Luther Strange in great part on some of his chosen deceptive advertising having people call around under the guise of a survey, asking negative leading questions regarding his opponent and positive leading questions regarding him.  Mostly though it's the way he handled, or didn't handle, the problems with Alabama's Republican leadership in the Mike Hubbard and Governor Bentley situations.  Hubbard should have been removed from office when he refused to go and long before the time he did leave.  The Governor also should have been forced out and without all the golden parachutes or deals that they gave him for leaving.  Corruption and misuse of the office deserves to be prosecuted and Luther Strange, as Alabama AG played politics and allowed them to get favor they did not deserve so based solely upon that I will not and cannot support Strange to replace Sessions.

If that makes me a Democrat then so be it but I'll continue to reference myself as a Republican leaning conservative independent.

Kraven posted:
Here's a couple of questions I've wondered about how liberal
democrats can believe only black lives matter and one else
has a life that would matter, and on that same train of thought,
why are liberal democrats so determined to entice emigrants
by the millions knowing they want you dead and they want
your country. Knowing for the most part they are uneducated
and lawless, knowing there will never be enough pick up sticks
jobs but for a few, to a point I would also include Mexicans.

 

They protect their voter herd.

If that makes me a Democrat then so be it but I'll continue to reference myself as a Republican leaning conservative independent.

 Independent=demoslop but ashamed to admit it. I have seen too many so called independents in action to ever think of them as anything but demoslops.

Bestworking posted:

Small business owner in North Carolina with 52 employees had to fire some because if he hadn't his insurance premiums would have gone to $300,000.00 a year.

Obamadon'tcare has includes 22 NEW taxes although obama said there'd be no tax increase.

The small businessman in the interview at the little restaurant? The county went for Trump and they always vote Dem? Wasn't it that it have gone up by $300,000.00 not to $300,000.00 so he had to lay some off because he couldn't handle such an increase?

giftedamateur posted:
Bestworking posted:

Small business owner in North Carolina with 52 employees had to fire some because if he hadn't his insurance premiums would have gone to $300,000.00 a year.

Obamadon'tcare has includes 22 NEW taxes although obama said there'd be no tax increase.

The small businessman in the interview at the little restaurant? The county went for Trump and they always vote Dem? Wasn't it that it have gone up by $300,000.00 not to $300,000.00 so he had to lay some off because he couldn't handle such an increase?

Yes!

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