A serious legal question about Trump and his Administration

If Trump is truthful in his claim that he didn't know of Rob Porter's issues, so he didn't waive Porter's security clearance....

and Porter didn't get a security clearance from the FBI...

Then who let Porter have access to classified information?
And isn't that illegal?

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Br’er Rabbit posted:

If Trump is truthful in his claim that he didn't know of Rob Porter's issues, so he didn't waive Porter's security clearance....

and Porter didn't get a security clearance from the FBI...

Then who let Porter have access to classified information?
And isn't that illegal?

Br’er Rabbit posted:

If Trump is truthful in his claim that he didn't know of Rob Porter's issues, so he didn't waive Porter's security clearance....

and Porter didn't get a security clearance from the FBI...

Then who let Porter have access to classified information?
And isn't that illegal?

I can't say I've been following the Porter case but is there now some renewed interest in protecting classified Information in an Administration after we've had examples of Hillary Clinton and her emails and Anthony Weiner and the location of sensitive information on his computer, the same computer that he had been sending photos of himself to underage girls?  This is the same Hillary Clinton who, to keep things under her thumb, kept her confidential files under a private server that was found to be kept in a bathroom and not secured by the Federal Government.  There is no justification of allowing something to be done by citing offenses of the previous administration but there is also precedent that an administration or President doesn't know every little detail about his administration or what people in the administration do.  A President does delegate authority unto others in the administration to perform various task and duties that he has not the time to do.  

Again, I haven't followed the Porter case but it seems to me that Democrats and anti-Trump folks are tossing about haystacks trying to find some sliver of information that they might lay at Trump's feet in hopes they may call for his impeachment for something before his moves and his policies completely turn the Economy around to the point that the news media can no longer hide or conceal it.

No!  I don't mean that either.  You are correct in saying two wrongs don't make it right.  National Security should be taken just as seriously regardless and what happens in one, prior, the administration doesn't mean the next or the following one gets a pass on its responsibility.  

If there are known errors or problems them they need to be addressed but here is where I believe my comment becomes more valid.  If past offenses are uncovered, discovered, and proven, then just becausethere is a new administration doesn't mean that there should be any less concern over the problems.  If there were offenses, deliberate offenses, that put National Security at risk, potentially exposed, our National secrets, then they do not all of a sudden get a pass because they are no longer in power.  

If National Security is a problem, now, then it should also be a problem warranting condemnation and investigation by those willing to condemn it, now, and investigating it now, except extending it back to those who may be guilty, from a prior administration.  I'm just saying if it's  important enough to report on it now, consider it an offense worthy of investigating now, then it's worthy to resurrect offenses that are known to have happened under the Obama administration.   That's not to say Obama knew directly of those offenses just as it's reasonable to assume that Trump didn't know either.  Presidents do delegate authority and certain task to subordinates who don't always make the best and right decisions so it's possible that a President would not know everything about all of the people that are hired in their administration in various positions.  

Also, like the Obama administration, there are those that want to find a reason to find fault with the President but what is unlike the Obama administration and Presidency is the level, the height, and the zeal to which people are attempting to bring down Trump or report negatively upon him or his administration.   Conservatives hated Obama, would have loved to gotten rid of Obama and loved to have found a way to do just that such as if they could locate or prove a faked birth certificate, but they couldn't.  There was an effort but not near to the degree of the efforts being leveled against Donald Trump.

Many Conservatives and people, including Trump, took a lot of heat over Obama's birth certificate challenge but there was never the vitriol and animosity, the negative reporting toward Obama, that is leveled at Donald Trump and for no other reason than he is Donald Trump and he won an election that apparently was promised or guaranteed to Hillary Clinton, by the polls, by the media, and by the Democratic National Committee. 

An election that was so skewed and slanted to favor Hillary Clinton and guaranteeing her election by everyone but the voters who, in the end, chose Donald Trump.  You can only look at it one way and that is that she was such a horrendous, horrible, candidate that she couldn't even bring home an election that was so skewed in her favor even to the point of being provided questions from the debates so she could prepare the best responses.  The media, also, had a full court press on, so to say, from the time Donald Trump won the Republican convention and was certified as the Republican candidate to find things and report things to destroy his candidacy or chances to be elected along with concealing anything appearing negative with regards to Hillary Clinton, at least that they could control. 

What the media and the Democrats couldn't control, however, was Hillary's untrustworthiness and her horrible candidacy, decisions like passing over certain states altogether during her campaign.  Her being Hillary, her emails, and their deletion, and the Benghazi problems that dogged her, calling the relatives of those killed liars for revealing what she actually told them regarding the deaths of their kin, her lies about the cause of the attack and attributing it to the YouTube video to avoid the political fallout to the, then, Obama administration at the time of his re-election.  Hillary was not only a horrible candidate but she had a huge amount of negative baggage that helped do her in.

Gen. Kelly knew about the 'credible claims' from the FBI in November. Just last week Kelly praised him and stood by him. Hope Hicks helped craft the support speech. These are all points that drove Republicans NUTS over Hillary's support of her husband. The hypocrisy of Republicans continues to come to light. Republican reply..... Hillary.

Who gave security clearance to Porter continues to be an issue.  Meet the Press is doing a full segment on this issue. I'm sure it's 'fake news'.

Br’er Rabbit posted:

Gen. Kelly knew about the 'credible claims' from the FBI in November. Just last week Kelly praised him and stood by him. Hope Hicks helped craft the support speech. These are all points that drove Republicans NUTS over Hillary's support of her husband. The hypocrisy of Republicans continues to come to light. Republican reply..... Hillary.

Who gave security clearance to Porter continues to be an issue.  Meet the Press is doing a full segment on this issue. I'm sure it's 'fake news'.

Come on now, you surely will admit that there is enough hypocrisy in both parties, at some level, with some folks.  Neither one lives in glass homes anymore.

gbrk posted:
Br’er Rabbit posted:

Gen. Kelly knew about the 'credible claims' from the FBI in November. Just last week Kelly praised him and stood by him. Hope Hicks helped craft the support speech. These are all points that drove Republicans NUTS over Hillary's support of her husband. The hypocrisy of Republicans continues to come to light. Republican reply..... Hillary.

Who gave security clearance to Porter continues to be an issue.  Meet the Press is doing a full segment on this issue. I'm sure it's 'fake news'.

Come on now, you surely will admit that there is enough hypocrisy in both parties, at some level, with some folks.  Neither one lives in glass homes anymore.

You sure do your part to spread the Republican Party Propaganda. How come you NEVER say anything even remotely similar to the Republicans on these forums? As a matter of fact, you seem to buy into most of the conspiracies or at least contribute to the spread of such fake and ridiculous theories.

The only propaganda these days is that coming out of the Democrats corner and dealing with Russia and Donald Trump.  There is nothing there that exist either other than what has been paid for and generated by the Democrats and left over from the Clinton Campaign.  I don't know if it's a sincere attempt to establish a coup or if it's just remnants of  Hillary's supporters still trying to make excuses for why she lost. 

As for the conspiracies, you are going to have to elaborate on those for I'm not aware of any that I would at least put into that category.   The Democrats are, however, doing all they can, along with the media to squelch any good economic news that may have to do with Donald Trump's policies and that's not a conspiracy but daily fact, you only have to watch the news.  93% plus negative coverage is no accident, on the part of most of the media, it's an orchestrated attempt to create an impression to follow Trump among most of their listeners.  Problem is that you can conceal just so much and that often the economic results are such that they manifest themselves to where you cannot conceal them.  

As for my post and who I seem to favor I don't deny that I'm supporting Donald Trump and hope, as President, he succeeds in all he wants to do.  I totally believe that the Democrats have gone off the reservation and no longer support or care about the America that was founded by our founders and that thrived through the 1950's as the "greatest generation" established homes and businesses after World War II.  I do fully believe in the exceptionalism of the United States and not in a Country that needs to be apologetic to the rest of the world.   I also see a vast, complete, difference between the Trump and Obama administrations and I fully believe that there were profound offenses of the Obama administration that were illegal and should be revealed and prosecuted.  Offenses such as the political weaponization of the IRS and the Justice Department to punish Obama's political enemies.  I fully believe that Watergate doesn't hold a candle to the offenses of the past, Obama, administration and I believe that he actually would have altered and changed the Constitution by executive order if he thought it was possible to do so.  

If that's what you mean by spreading Republican propaganda then guilty as charged.  If though you are going to avoid my statement about the realization that both political parties have their hypocrisy then you will remain with your head in the sand.

Why waste your time writing a long explanation when your first sentence says everything you wanted to say. Whenever you stop avoiding my statement about the realization of the Republican party and the propaganda/hypocrisy shown daily, until then you will remain with your head in the sand.

 

 

 

gbrk posted:

The only propaganda these days is that coming out of the Democrats corner and dealing with Russia and Donald Trump........

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