Legisltors, are wanting to bring up the abortion issue, that life begins at conception. Ban, abortion, except to save the life of a parent because of serious harm to the mother or in case of rape or incest. Opinions
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A couple of years ago we had a prophetic speaker at my church make a statement that we will never have dominion in Iraq or over terrorists for that matter until America puts an end to abortion. Why would God allow us to be successful when we are basically doing the same thing the terrorists are doing. Millions of innocent lives are being taken out of convienence.
Don't misconstrue this to be that I do not support the military. I was once one of them and have and will continue to support these great men and women 100%.
Don't misconstrue this to be that I do not support the military. I was once one of them and have and will continue to support these great men and women 100%.
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
A couple of years ago we had a prophetic speaker at my church make a statement that we will never have dominion in Iraq or over terrorists for that matter until America puts an end to abortion. Why would God allow us to be successful when we are basically doing the same thing the terrorists are doing. Millions of innocent lives are being taken out of convenience.
Don't misconstrue this to be that I do not support the military. I was once one of them and have and will continue to support these great men and women 100%.
And exactly what made this speaker prophetic? Because he made a statement that we must do x before we can do y?
Abortion is between the woman, the fetus and God. You have no part. There is no we, there are only those directly involved. I am not for abortion, but I do not believe that I have the right to force others to follow my will.
Well said Logical!
I don't know any one who is "pro abortion" and to suggest that I or Democrats, or Liberals or whatever these fanatics call us today are, is just out and out lies. If a preacher says that, then he is a liar and the truth is not in him and he is not speaking from the love of Jesus.
I see it as more important as to who should have a say in a private matter, Not me, not you, not Jerry Faldwell, not that preacher you referred to , and certanilly not the federal government. I find it ironic that many of those who advocate they don't want the government involved in health care, or business or whatever, are the very ones who want the government to stick their nose in someones most private of business.
I don't know any one who is "pro abortion" and to suggest that I or Democrats, or Liberals or whatever these fanatics call us today are, is just out and out lies. If a preacher says that, then he is a liar and the truth is not in him and he is not speaking from the love of Jesus.
I see it as more important as to who should have a say in a private matter, Not me, not you, not Jerry Faldwell, not that preacher you referred to , and certanilly not the federal government. I find it ironic that many of those who advocate they don't want the government involved in health care, or business or whatever, are the very ones who want the government to stick their nose in someones most private of business.
quote:Abortion is between the woman, the fetus and God.
How ‘bout we appoint a Guardian ad Litem for unborn children to give that child a say in the matter of his/her own life. I’ll bet that life would ask to not be snuffed out.
When you said "We appoint" you suggested somebody (we) stick their nose into somebody else's business. What gives "we" the right???
quote:Originally posted by excelman:
When you said "We appoint" you suggested somebody (we) stick their nose into somebody else's business. What gives "we" the right???
Why does a judge have the right to remove an abused child from its home? Isn’t what the parents do to their child behind closed doors their business?
My point was to respond to LOGICAL’S post: “Abortion is between the woman, the fetus and God.” Who decides for the fetus—the child?
I’m not going to debate the abortion issue.
I know it is wrong and you “know” it is right; we won’t settle it here.
There is really no right or wrong here.It is the woman's body, she is the only one to live with what she does or doesn't do.
I don't like the idea of abortion, but I don't like the idea of bringing a new life into a world of neglect and abuse, because the mother didn't want the child, has no way to support it or just doesn't have the mentality to care for it!
I don't like the idea of abortion, but I don't like the idea of bringing a new life into a world of neglect and abuse, because the mother didn't want the child, has no way to support it or just doesn't have the mentality to care for it!
quote:And exactly what made this speaker prophetic? Because he made a statement that we must do x before we can do y?
He was prophetic because he had recieved a word from God and was relaying that message to others. Prophets have been around since biblical times. In the New Testament is says that near the end of times men will speak prophetic words. It also says we are to test these words and not blindly believe what is said. So far, this Prophet's words have been true.
A good friend of mine has the gift of prophecy. In March 2005 he told me that God gave him a message that this was going to be a very hard year. He said people would write off these acts as natural disasters. I did not think much about what he said until June of 05 when everything went to pot.
If you don't believe that is fine. I'm just saying that this is possible based on whot I have seen.
quote:Originally posted by FatNoMo:
Why does a judge have the right to remove an abused child from its home? Isn’t what the parents do to their child behind closed doors their business?
To go along with your argument you would support a judge ordering the fetus removed from the womb (it's home). That would only work if the fetus could support itself, but abortion is illegal by the time that occurs.
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My point was to respond to LOGICAL’S post: “Abortion is between the woman, the fetus and God.” Who decides for the fetus—the child?
I’m not going to debate the abortion issue.
Then why are you posting?
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I know it is wrong and you “know” it is right; we won’t settle it here.
Correction: You [believe it's wrong. Since you are not God, you do not get to decide what is right and wrong for everyone.
Also, I never said it was "right", I said that I don't agree with it but that I don't think I have the right to force someone else to follow my will.
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:quote:And exactly what made this speaker prophetic? Because he made a statement that we must do x before we can do y?
He was prophetic because he had recieved a word from God and was relaying that message to others. Prophets have been around since biblical times. In the New Testament is says that near the end of times men will speak prophetic words. It also says we are to test these words and not blindly believe what is said. So far, this Prophet's words have been true.
A good friend of mine has the gift of prophecy. In March 2005 he told me that God gave him a message that this was going to be a very hard year. He said people would write off these acts as natural disasters. I did not think much about what he said until June of 05 when everything went to pot.
If you don't believe that is fine. I'm just saying that this is possible based on whot I have seen.
So basically, you think he was prophetic because he said he was. No disrespect intended. That simply makes him no different than many other prophets through time. Neither a plus or a minus. That's the interesting thing about prophets, they are rarely, if ever, corroborated independently.
As for the end times and prophets, men have been speaking prophetic words since the beginning of recorded history and most likely even further back than that. I doubt they will stop until the either the world or men end.
No prophet should be followed blindly, whether modern or historical.
As for me, this particular prophecy doesn't hold water. Sorry.
quote:Originally posted by logical:quote:Originally posted by FatNoMo:
Why does a judge have the right to remove an abused child from its home? Isn’t what the parents do to their child behind closed doors their business?
To go along with your argument you would support a judge ordering the fetus removed from the womb (it's home). That would only work if the fetus could support itself, but abortion is illegal by the time that occurs.quote:
My point was to respond to LOGICAL’S post: “Abortion is between the woman, the fetus and God.” Who decides for the fetus—the child?
I’m not going to debate the abortion issue.
Then why are you posting?quote:
I know it is wrong and you “know” it is right; we won’t settle it here.
Correction: You [believe it's wrong. Since you are not God, you do not get to decide what is right and wrong for everyone.
Also, I never said it was "right", I said that I don't agree with it but that I don't think I have the right to force someone else to follow my will.
AMEN! You go Logical!
As for FatNoMore you said you know abortion is wrong , please state chapter and verse. Like Logical, I don't think abortion is a good thing, just none of your business unless it's you. You are back to the point I made in my first post on this subject- saying I am "pro abortion". I resent that implication!
quote:Ban, abortion, except to save the life of a parent because of serious harm to the mother or in case of rape or incest.
I can agree to this. I am sitting on the fence about it though. I don't agree with abortion when it comes to birth control or any other reason. It seems like a crime to me and that's where I agree with law intervention as opposed to just being a private matter. The bible says:
"If men strive, and hurt a women with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life" (Ex.21:22-23).
"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be" (Psalm 139:13-16).
I personally Do NOT believe in ablortion,it is something i could never see myself doing,,but do i have the right to tell someone else they cannot have it done? NO! Flat NO, NO,,peroid.
I have a little test here for all those against abortion,,,,,each and everyone of you go to a state home and apply to take one of the children who are already in the system . Free the state homes and make room for all those unwanted children of the future that will be born unwanted.Put your efforts where your mouth is ,,now. Do not start with excuses,do your christian part in this and give an unwanted child a home. After all isn't that all of your basis for anti abortion? The christian aspect of it,what God wanted and commands.
better yet,take in a pregnant unwed teen and give her a home,help her during her pregnancy, help her get on her feet after giving birth.Help her with christian guidings.
I have a little test here for all those against abortion,,,,,each and everyone of you go to a state home and apply to take one of the children who are already in the system . Free the state homes and make room for all those unwanted children of the future that will be born unwanted.Put your efforts where your mouth is ,,now. Do not start with excuses,do your christian part in this and give an unwanted child a home. After all isn't that all of your basis for anti abortion? The christian aspect of it,what God wanted and commands.
better yet,take in a pregnant unwed teen and give her a home,help her during her pregnancy, help her get on her feet after giving birth.Help her with christian guidings.
quote:Originally posted by smurph:
I personally Do NOT believe in ablortion,it is something i could never see myself doing,,but do i have the right to tell someone else they cannot have it done? NO! Flat NO, NO,,peroid.
I have a little test here for all those against abortion,,,,,each and everyone of you go to a state home and apply to take one of the children who are already in the system . Free the state homes and make room for all those unwanted children of the future that will be born unwanted.Put your efforts where your mouth is ,,now. Do not start with excuses,do your christian part in this and give an unwanted child a home. After all isn't that all of your basis for anti abortion? The christian aspect of it,what God wanted and commands.
better yet,take in a pregnant unwed teen and give her a home,help her during her pregnancy, help her get on her feet after giving birth.Help her with christian guidings.
I completely agree with you smurph !
The way James, Pat, and Jerry are handling it by railing and bashing is just a way to get political and economic power. Too bad their followers are blinded and can't see that.
What you suggest is the Christian way, what they are advocating is the hypocritical way.
BTW, seems to me we have a lot more important things to bring to our political debate rather than this recurring theme. Unfortunally, it is the only one that "excites" the right wing nuts.
My personal convictions is that the very second that the "ingredients" (it won't let me say the right words) are mixed to have a child, from that second on, cells start dividing an extremey fast rate, hence the beginning of LIFE.... I would not ever have an abortion... not that I have to worry about it at my age, lol...
Simply put, a child growing in my body would STAY right there until the miracalous time in which Childbirth starts....
Anyway, I do not, nor cannot believe it is right for me, and I taught my kids the same way, and thank God for my grandsons!!!!
BUT, on the flip side... ROE VS WADE.. is is NOT any of MY business what my next door neighbor does, or what the lady down the street does.... I cannot dictate to them HOW to live their lives, and I will not try. Like logic said above, it is between MOM and God... and I do NOT factor in that equation...
I guess that would throw me in the Catagory of Pro-Choice... because I think other people have the right to do what they WANT to do with their bodies, but deep inside I FEEL like I am Pro-LIFE because of my inner and personal feelings about abortion....
Simply put, a child growing in my body would STAY right there until the miracalous time in which Childbirth starts....
Anyway, I do not, nor cannot believe it is right for me, and I taught my kids the same way, and thank God for my grandsons!!!!
BUT, on the flip side... ROE VS WADE.. is is NOT any of MY business what my next door neighbor does, or what the lady down the street does.... I cannot dictate to them HOW to live their lives, and I will not try. Like logic said above, it is between MOM and God... and I do NOT factor in that equation...
I guess that would throw me in the Catagory of Pro-Choice... because I think other people have the right to do what they WANT to do with their bodies, but deep inside I FEEL like I am Pro-LIFE because of my inner and personal feelings about abortion....
quote:Originally posted by excelman:
The way James, Pat, and Jerry are handling it by railing and bashing is just a way to get political and economic power. Too bad their followers are blinded and can't see that.
What you suggest is the Christian way, what they are advocating is the hypocritical way.
It seems to me that a lot of the "pro-life" folks actually misnamed. They are more accurately called "pro-birth" because that their concern and vigorous support vanishes at that point. Smurph's comment about adopting unwanted children demonstrates this nicely.
Regardless of personal feelings, if you aren't carrying the child or the father, it is simply none of your business.
Politicians have leveraged this issue among the ignorant to get elected or re-elected, meanwhile Rome is burning.
Politicians have leveraged this issue among the ignorant to get elected or re-elected, meanwhile Rome is burning.
quote:Originally posted by logical:quote:Originally posted by excelman:
The way James, Pat, and Jerry are handling it by railing and bashing is just a way to get political and economic power. Too bad their followers are blinded and can't see that.
What you suggest is the Christian way, what they are advocating is the hypocritical way.
It seems to me that a lot of the "pro-life" folks actually misnamed. They are more accurately called "pro-birth" because that their concern and vigorous support vanishes at that point. Smurph's comment about adopting unwanted children demonstrates this nicely.
You are correct.
I don't like the term "pro-life" any better than the term those people use "pro-abortion". Pro-life would imply that those who oppose their viewpoint are "pro-death". This of course is used to the political advantage of that lobby, but is not the case at all.
In fact, I am pro-life, and pro-choice. I don't see a conflict myself.
Hi guys! I haven't been around for a while because I needed to focus on family issues, but saw this subject & it drew me in. 
I have to wonder...if babies did not grow inside women, but instead were, let's say, hatched from eggs, would we feel differently? Would we then protect them & perhaps even be appalled at the thought of someone hurting them? I think most of the controversy stems from the fact that babies reside in women's bodies until ready to 'meet & greet'.
I feel the same way about this issue as I do about abused children, victims of bullies, nursing home residents, etc. I think common human decency dictates that we should protect those without a voice, anyone unable to defend themselves. JMHO
I have to wonder...if babies did not grow inside women, but instead were, let's say, hatched from eggs, would we feel differently? Would we then protect them & perhaps even be appalled at the thought of someone hurting them? I think most of the controversy stems from the fact that babies reside in women's bodies until ready to 'meet & greet'.
I feel the same way about this issue as I do about abused children, victims of bullies, nursing home residents, etc. I think common human decency dictates that we should protect those without a voice, anyone unable to defend themselves. JMHO
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Thanks, KS! Good to see you too!
As to whether politicians should use this issue to get elected...I don't generally trust what politicians say they'll do when elected. Most voters probably agree with that. However, if a politician's voting record shows consistency on an issue, then yes, it would influence my vote.
As to whether politicians should use this issue to get elected...I don't generally trust what politicians say they'll do when elected. Most voters probably agree with that. However, if a politician's voting record shows consistency on an issue, then yes, it would influence my vote.
quote:And as far as adoption goes, I have known good people that took forever to go through the system, some have even gave up and went to China and spent around $12,000 plus dollars to get a child, because of the system here was such a mess.
hey who said anything about adoption,where is the CHRISTIAN spirit to foster these unwanted kids HERE in AMERICA a home?
also ,,,why not take in a pregnant teen and give her a christian hand while she is giving birth to that child that most likely will end up in foster care in a few years?
I am reading lots of anti abortion,,but no one willing to extend the christian hand to the unwanted unborn child,or the expectant mother.
I am reading lots of anti abortion,,but no one willing to extend the christian hand to the unwanted unborn child,or the expectant mother.
Smurph, I hope you are not saying that a person cannot oppose abortion unless that person also agrees to rectify the mistakes of women/girls who choose to have sex outside of marriage. Except in the case of rape or incest, that young woman & the father of the baby are responsible for their child.
I was 18 when I chose to have sex & got pregnant. Unless a girl has been on another planet, she knows where babies come from. One of my best friends was 15 when she got pregnant. She was old enough to know the risks & she did it anyway.
I'm not saying we shouldn't reach out to someone in trouble. I absolutely, having been there, do that without hesitation. But I feel it's better to equip them to do the job rather than to do the job for them.
As to unwanted children...I agree that there are some children that are not being chosen for adoption. It amazes me that people will not adopt a black child but will pay a fortune to adopt an Asian child. I haven't walked in their shoes & will not judge them, but I don't get it. Now, yes, we should be there for those kids not being considered for adoption, but adopt them? Unless I get a direct order from God, forget about it, sister. Frankly, that would be unfair to the kid. I had a hard enough time raising & still raising my two kids.
I was 18 when I chose to have sex & got pregnant. Unless a girl has been on another planet, she knows where babies come from. One of my best friends was 15 when she got pregnant. She was old enough to know the risks & she did it anyway.
I'm not saying we shouldn't reach out to someone in trouble. I absolutely, having been there, do that without hesitation. But I feel it's better to equip them to do the job rather than to do the job for them.
As to unwanted children...I agree that there are some children that are not being chosen for adoption. It amazes me that people will not adopt a black child but will pay a fortune to adopt an Asian child. I haven't walked in their shoes & will not judge them, but I don't get it. Now, yes, we should be there for those kids not being considered for adoption, but adopt them? Unless I get a direct order from God, forget about it, sister. Frankly, that would be unfair to the kid.
I had a hard enough time raising & still raising my two kids.
Just so you know where I'm coming from, my kids are 19 & 15 right now. An alien being enters teen bodies in order to test the survival skills of the teenager's parents...safe thus far. This would be why raising more children does not appeal to me right now. 
quote:Smurph, I hope you are not saying that a person cannot oppose abortion unless that person also agrees to rectify the mistakes of women/girls who choose to have sex outside of marriage
but you are willing to "pay" for those same said mistakes? And yes indeed you will pay,your taxes support the very welfare system that is the life line of support for so very many of these pregnacies born into the world.
i too am opposed to abortion,PERSONALLY FOR ME and ME ALONE, I have no right to tell anyone else it is wrong, when i take on that move that is when i should be ready to take on that child to raise myself. it is a personal issue that should be left at that PERSONAL. It has no place in the legal system to be voted for or against. That is my whole point.
You say it is a personal issue, but when is murder ever "just a personal issue" Any time an innocent life is taken, it is murder pure and simple. Until you can prove the exact point in time a fetus becomes a viable life, you must err on the side of life. Even a common criminal gets a fair trial, and proven guilty. Shouldn't a child get the same right? Are you saying that because ones 3 day old infant cries a lot, and is a big inconvenience, they should have the right to end it's life??? Again I ask you....What is the exact point in time a fetus becomes a life??? Until you can prove it, allow that child to live!
Smurph, I hear this argument alot, but it leaves out someone, doesn't it? This does not acknowledge the life, the child, growing inside the woman. This child doesn't cease to exist just because the woman doesn't want it. It's still very much alive & the choice to let it live or end it's life is a choice. I don't have a problem with the term "pro-choice" because I think it is admitting that there IS a choice. The life does not HAVE to be end simply because the person within whom the life exists wants it to end. What we allow, whatever laws we deem necessary to either end these lives or let them live, is our choice.
Joy,
Abortion use to be illegal, did it end abortions? NO! Women still sought out a way to end their unwantd pregnancy,it only caused a lot of butchered and dead women.If they make it illegal again, all that will do is cause a lot of butchering and death of our desparate young women.
I don't agree with abortion, but I am not going to force my belief on anyone else. I haven't walked a mile in their shoes and I would hate to be put in a position that I would even have to think about making this decision.
Abortion use to be illegal, did it end abortions? NO! Women still sought out a way to end their unwantd pregnancy,it only caused a lot of butchered and dead women.If they make it illegal again, all that will do is cause a lot of butchering and death of our desparate young women.
I don't agree with abortion, but I am not going to force my belief on anyone else. I haven't walked a mile in their shoes and I would hate to be put in a position that I would even have to think about making this decision.
Okay all of you say you are speaking for the life of the unborn child. Someone has to have a voice for its life,are you there also when it goes to sleep hungry at night 3 yrs later? are you there as it hides under the bed afraid of moms new "boyfriends" ? Are you there to speak for it when it needs new shoes?Are you there when that said child hungers for something as simple as a hug and to be told it is loved?
So again i will say it,if you vote for the laws to control the issues and abortion to become illegal again,,please apply to begin foster care,adopt one of these unwanted children, or take in a pregnant mother and HELP her prepare for this unborn child you are speaking for. Its really very simply here what i am trying to say,,its kind of like put up or shut up speaking for that child does not end at the stopping of the abortion,,it ONLY BEGINS THERE.
There is another life life coming into this world that SOMEBODY has to take care of,provide for,and above all else to LOVE!
So again i will say it,if you vote for the laws to control the issues and abortion to become illegal again,,please apply to begin foster care,adopt one of these unwanted children, or take in a pregnant mother and HELP her prepare for this unborn child you are speaking for. Its really very simply here what i am trying to say,,its kind of like put up or shut up speaking for that child does not end at the stopping of the abortion,,it ONLY BEGINS THERE.
There is another life life coming into this world that SOMEBODY has to take care of,provide for,and above all else to LOVE!
Thank You,smurph! Very well said!
quote:Originally posted by yankeewitch:
Joy,
Abortion use to be illegal, did it end abortions? NO! Women still sought out a way to end their unwantd pregnancy,it only caused a lot of butchered and dead women.If they make it illegal again, all that will do is cause a lot of butchering and death of our desparate young women.
I don't agree with abortion, but I am not going to force my belief on anyone else. I haven't walked a mile in their shoes and I would hate to be put in a position that I would even have to think about making this decision.
I don't think so. We've entered the information age now. Girls would be aware of the risk (butchering). Regardless, it's an assumption & it still leaves someone out of the equation...the life growing inside the woman.
I'm not actually arguing based on religious beliefs, if that is what you mean by beliefs.
thank you yankee,this is an issue that really gets under my skin.
A wee bit of history as to WHY. i knew of a young girl(17) several yrs ago that did become pregnant and was more or less forced into carrying the pregnancy by her staunch and stiff religous parents against what she knew in her heart she could not carry out. The baby was taken from her at age 5 month,malnutrition to the infant, returned to her after 3 months in state custody, it was removed again at age 22 months after a broken arm and serious injury to the chest done by the mother or the new boyfriend ,it was never determined which did it.
The same parents that "spoke' for that unborn child WOULD not step up to the plate to raise their OWN GRANDCHILD,,it was biracial,they simply "could not face that kind of responsibilities".
This situation made me take a LONG hard look at the abortion issues. Its personal, reguardless what anyone wants to shade it with, the young girl KNEW in her heart she was not ready and KNEW she did not want the child,right or wrong,, and she would have been judged by the only judge that really matter,God in the end for a decision to end the pregnancy. But instead she was manipulated by those around her "speaking for the unborn child" .
A wee bit of history as to WHY. i knew of a young girl(17) several yrs ago that did become pregnant and was more or less forced into carrying the pregnancy by her staunch and stiff religous parents against what she knew in her heart she could not carry out. The baby was taken from her at age 5 month,malnutrition to the infant, returned to her after 3 months in state custody, it was removed again at age 22 months after a broken arm and serious injury to the chest done by the mother or the new boyfriend ,it was never determined which did it.
The same parents that "spoke' for that unborn child WOULD not step up to the plate to raise their OWN GRANDCHILD,,it was biracial,they simply "could not face that kind of responsibilities".
This situation made me take a LONG hard look at the abortion issues. Its personal, reguardless what anyone wants to shade it with, the young girl KNEW in her heart she was not ready and KNEW she did not want the child,right or wrong,, and she would have been judged by the only judge that really matter,God in the end for a decision to end the pregnancy. But instead she was manipulated by those around her "speaking for the unborn child" .
quote:Regardless, it's an assumption & it still leaves someone out of the equation...the life growing inside the woman.
AGAIN,, what happens to that life once born joy?
Birth is only the beginning of that little persons life (figure of speech here now).I want to hear something SOLID for that life once its born
quote:Originally posted by smurph:
Okay all of you say you are speaking for the life of the unborn child. Someone has to have a voice for its life,are you there also when it goes to sleep hungry at night 3 yrs later? are you there as it hides under the bed afraid of moms new "boyfriends" ? Are you there to speak for it when it needs new shoes?Are you there when that said child hungers for something as simple as a hug and to be told it is loved?
So again i will say it,if you vote for the laws to control the issues and abortion to become illegal again,,please apply to begin foster care,adopt one of these unwanted children, or take in a pregnant mother and HELP her prepare for this unborn child you are speaking for. Its really very simply here what i am trying to say,,its kind of like put up or shut up speaking for that child does not end at the stopping of the abortion,,it ONLY BEGINS THERE.
There is another life life coming into this world that SOMEBODY has to take care of,provide for,and above all else to LOVE!
What? An unaborted (is that a word?) child equals abuse now? This is your reason for legalizing abortion? What about the unaborted children that were not exposed to abuse? What about the abused kids that given the choice would choose to live?!
The fact is we choose the law that either ends the life or protects the life...it is our choice.
O.K. I choose to stay out of someone else's business.
partly yes,not a one of us have crystal balls to KNOW what the future will be for that unborn child and to take on the assumption its going to be good is a fairytale. There are some that it is the "right" decision not to abort,and don't you think maybe that is all a part of it,,that ultimate decision against abortion?
It has to be the person carrying the pregnancy that makes that decision,right or wrong by OUR personal views.the issue certainly does not belong in the political arena
It has to be the person carrying the pregnancy that makes that decision,right or wrong by OUR personal views.the issue certainly does not belong in the political arena
quote:Originally posted by yankeewitch:
O.K. I choose to stay out of someone else's business.
Who's business? The woman's or the baby's? Also, where do you draw the line?
Years ago, I heard a woman being beaten in the apartment next to mine & got the same response you just gave from someone I thought I knew..."mind your own business". Thankfully for the woman, I didn't listen. I'm of course not saying you would not help a woman being beaten, but just think about the correlation.
If we are willing to stand between an abuser and the abused in the case of a fully grown woman who is able to voice her opposition to the abuse, how much more should be willing to stand between a life that can't voice his or her opposition and anyone who wants to end that life?
Also smurph,
You are assuming that every unplanned child that is not aborted is raised in an abusive, neglected home. This is simply not true. When i became pregnant at 20, I was forced to choose to grow up or abort my baby. Many people told me to abort. I knew it was wrong.
What about all the children (who weren't unplanned teenage pregnancies) who are abused and neglected? Because their lives are less than ideal would you have aborted them, too? What about all the other children and adults, who were once children, in third world countries who live in poverty and war. Would you tell them they have no right to live because their lives do not fit into the "American Dream"?
You are assuming that every unplanned child that is not aborted is raised in an abusive, neglected home. This is simply not true. When i became pregnant at 20, I was forced to choose to grow up or abort my baby. Many people told me to abort. I knew it was wrong.
What about all the children (who weren't unplanned teenage pregnancies) who are abused and neglected? Because their lives are less than ideal would you have aborted them, too? What about all the other children and adults, who were once children, in third world countries who live in poverty and war. Would you tell them they have no right to live because their lives do not fit into the "American Dream"?