Say you could stop the school shootings-then what??

Do away with all "social media", take their phones or have them fixed so they can only call 911, their parents, and their parents can track them. Do away with their internet.

When these things happen there is seldom a lack of ideas and suggestions about how to correct thing or make things safer, which is a good thing, but in this case, EVERYTHING was there for this to have been prevented from happening.  One man did what he was supposed to do by notifying authorities when he saw things that sent up the red flags and he did so just about a month ago, and somehow all things that should have worked failed.  Sometimes you have a case that slips through the cracks and this one horrendously did.  This could have been prevented and some people are having to live with the fact that they didn't do their job or fell down on their job and as a result, 17 innocent people died.  

If people want to do away with or modify the 2nd Amendment then there is a Constitutionally prescribed way to do that.  If the American people decided to do that then it should be by that very procedure and if it doesn't pass then that decision should also be accepted.  In my opinion, though, even doing it by the Constitutionally prescribed way, if it passed and surely if it was attempted by any other way would it potentially put our nation in another (un)Civil War for there are many freedom loving people that will not relinquish their weapons to the Government regardless of how it comes about.  This still will not stop mentally deficient people from doing horrendous things for this boy had been studying how to make bombs and given enough time could have perfected doing that and could have potentially killed or injured more.  

If eliminating the instrument stops the violent act from happening then why don't we eliminate alcohol again as many more innocent people die annually from drunk drivers than from legally obtained guns?

From David's Soapbox .. dated article though

MADD Stats

This one says Alcohol 3 times more deaths

There are things that can be done to help reduce gun violence and those stem around following up on tips and warnings like was given.  Paying attention to all the checkboxes that are so common with people like this boy who did this.  Beefing up and strengthening background checks and doing more to prevent mentally ill people from ever obtaining firearms.  

Way too many of them "slip through the cracks".

So, is this supposed to say we don't need to end school shootings? I can't understand the course of this topic.
Why is there such an argument from the right about the cause of the school shootings? Regardless of the mind set an individual is in, the cause of school shootings is people with guns in a school seeking to do harm to others.
What about PTSD? You think it's hard on our troops? What about the school children who are now going to suffer from PTSD FROM GOING TO SCHOOL? I thought the Republicans were the party of the troops. Does someone who willingly put themselves in harm's way to protect our freedoms life matter more than a completely innocent child's?
Why do Republicans always turn the argument to other items. Would a solution to DUI deaths be to give more people drivers' licenses or give them more to drink? I don't understand why it's so difficult for a sane, "responsible" gun owner to be in favor of gun control. We can use the same argument the NSA did, "if you aren't hiding anything, then you shouldn't be afraid." Or do these gun owners really think of themselves as John McClain who will save the world one day or beat back an oppressive government? Today's military has access to tanks, drones and unimaginable technology. That 30.06 isn't going to stop the US Army...

Br’er Rabbit posted:

So, is this supposed to say we don't need to end school shootings? I can't understand the course of this topic.
Why is there such an argument from the right about the cause of the school shootings? Regardless of the mind set an individual is in, the cause of school shootings is people with guns in a school seeking to do harm to others.
What about PTSD? You think it's hard on our troops? What about the school children who are now going to suffer from PTSD FROM GOING TO SCHOOL? I thought the Republicans were the party of the troops. Does someone who willingly put themselves in harm's way to protect our freedoms life matter more than a completely innocent child's?
Why do Republicans always turn the argument to other items. Would a solution to DUI deaths be to give more people drivers' licenses or give them more to drink? I don't understand why it's so difficult for a sane, "responsible" gun owner to be in favor of gun control. We can use the same argument the NSA did, "if you aren't hiding anything, then you shouldn't be afraid." Or do these gun owners really think of themselves as John McClain who will save the world one day or beat back an oppressive government? Today's military has access to tanks, drones and unimaginable technology. That 30.06 isn't going to stop the US Army...

I'm certainly glad you didn't politicize things.

Kraven posted:

Mandatory home schooling for all people K--16.

All education after that is done per specialized institutions,

law, medical ect. Liberal arts will be banned because it's a

waste of time, money and space.....

Sounds impossible to make everyone go to college, even at home.

Kraven posted:

Mandatory home schooling for all people K--16.

All education after that is done per specialized institutions,

law, medical ect. Liberal arts will be banned because it's a

waste of time, money and space.....

My wife wanted to homeschool our grandchildren but I knew there was no way that we could do it or accomplish it.  I do think, in many cases, other than the lack of social interaction with other students which some Churches make up for, that homeschooled kids come out with a far more rounded education.  To do so though requires discipline on the part of parents, as well as the time and neither my wife nor I, have either at our ages.   I do know that there are some good materials out there for Homeschoolers and it's seeing an increase in inquiries for the materials and some parents are better equipped for teaching at home both mentally, psychologically, and emotionally, than others.  

I don't know about mandatory home Schooling but I believe it should be protected and made fully available for any parents that want to research it or try it without much of the stigma that many put upon it.

I was never much of a home schooling fan, but now I see the need to get kids out of the liberal run "institutions" that don't give a flip about kids' safety, only how to use them to push their loony, lefty, agendas. IF they really cared about kids,  there would be security in every public school in the country.

antimaim posted:

I was never much of a home schooling fan, but now I see the need to get kids out of the liberal run "institutions" that don't give a flip about kids' safety, only how to use them to push their loony, lefty, agendas. IF they really cared about kids,  there would be security in every public school in the country.

Ummm... there was an armed guard at the school in Parkland, FL. EVERY ON DUTY COP EVER SHOT WAS ARMED. This is the reason kids are suffering from PTSD, because they attended school.

Recratican posted:

Kraven posted:

Mandatory home schooling for all people K--16.

All education after that is done per specialized institutions,

law, medical ect. Liberal arts will be banned because it's a

waste of time, money and space.....

Sounds impossible to make everyone go to college, even at home.

Kraven posted:

Over here in Memphis, Shelby county and city schools have

educated their students since the pioneers settled the area

that many years ago. Once the liberals took control of the

Memphis school system and city government it didn't take

but a few years to completely decimate the entire educational

system to the point of surrendering the charter and throwing

it's responsibility to the children on the backs of the County.

No need to go into the reasons for their failure to the state of

Tennessee and it's citizens, only to mention the incorporated

towns of the county as always do an outstanding job.

 

The new name for Memphis and rural county schools would

be " Shelby County Schools"

 

 

• k p 2 hr ago

  There have been guns in the USA for over 240 years ..... In the '70's it was common place to see a gun rack in a truck at a high school ...... NO gun locks.... No gun safes .......This is a new phenomenon ........ What brought this on is a combination of not keeping score and everyone gets a trophy coupled with this new age of "Social" being sitting at a computer ........ This generation doesn't know how to deal with failure and rejection along with having no real people skills that comes from personal interaction in groups and not on a PC ......

Kids all over America are walking out of school today. Protesting gun violence. Republicans are talking gun control. These kids are looking for a future for themselves. Republicans can argue with them. They're the ones being shot. We'll see how this turns out for the Republicans. These kids are not playing around and don't intend to settle for the standard Republican line of drivel. You wanted the kids to stand up, they are... now what, Republicans?

Br’er Rabbit posted:

Kids all over America are walking out of school today. Protesting gun violence. Republicans are talking gun control. These kids are looking for a future for themselves. Republicans can argue with them. They're the ones being shot. We'll see how this turns out for the Republicans. These kids are not playing around and don't intend to settle for the standard Republican line of drivel. You wanted the kids to stand up, they are... now what, Republicans?

Republicans could give these kids 100% of EVERYTHING they demand and ask for and they would still not be satisfied and on top of that they still would vote for Democrats who end up promising everything yet deliver nothing except blaming the Republicans for not  doing what they (Democrats) did not do when they had the power to actually do what they end up requesting.   In Obama's first Term, especially the first two years, Democrats had it all and had a filibuster-proof majority meaning they could have done ANYTHING!  They could have solved the problems with the minority community, they could have passed reparations, they could have enacted gun control, they could have done anything.  But they didn't.  

All they did do was enact Democratic Healthcare (AKA Obamacare) imposing burdens upon most everyone that had health insurance before.  AFTER the Democrats enacted their Healthcare bill citizens had their health insurance cost double or triple for monthly cost and had their deductibles (money that actually come out of people's and families pockets BEFORE Insurance ever takes effect) quadruple.  People's deductibles went from $400.00 annually for a family to over $4000.00 in some cases which means 10 times more money comes out of a family's budget BEFORE the 80% copay takes effect.  Democrats did do that but couldn't seem to do anything else when they had total power in their hands.  All the problems they always complain about and blame the Republicans with could have been addressed but weren't.  Why is that cause it sure wasn't due to the Republicans because they didn't have the power to do anything?

Why can't Republicans pass any legislation? They have total power and have had for a year?  Why don't Republicans address issues , now?

Br’er Rabbit posted:

Why can't Republicans pass any legislation? They have total power and have had for a year?  Why don't Republicans address issues , now?

Please recheck your sources and information as you are incorrect.  Republicans do not have TOTAL unchecked and filibuster-proof majority power as the Democrats had.   Democrats had that kind of power and Republicans have not and have had to deal with Democratic filibusters.  In order to have the power advantage that Democrats had Republicans would have had to have in excess of 60 Senate seats.   When Democrats had less than the filibuster-busting majority  Harry Reid altered the Senate Rules to make 51 Votes a majority.  Harry Reid changed the rules in other words to favor their side.  The Republicans have never done that even though Trump has urged Mitch McConnell to do so.  Republicans have had instances where they have shot their own selves (as the Democrats have done) in the foot by not passing the Obamacare repeal legislation as requested by Donald Trump.  Yes, there were Republican holdouts that detested Trump such as Flake and McCain that the Democrats didn't have to contend with.  Democrats had none of the detractors, within their party, that the Republicans are dealing with yet even with their Majorities where they could have run rough shot over the Republicans they did nothing toward all those ills that they identify as problems needing to be fixed.  

You need to check those facts before making those kinds of statements because I think you are wrong.  

Again:

1) Republicans never had the filibuster-proof 60+ vote majority and majority proof in House along with the Whtie House.  They have had to deal with the Democrats who could stop legislation due to their numbers alone.

2) Democrats had those majorities in Obama's first term in the House and Senate as well as holding the Executive branch.  TOTAL control.

3) Lastly, when Democrats did not hold the Senate Majority they changed the rules to allow them to rule, iron-fisted, through reconciliation with a 51 vote majority rather than the 60+ Majority that the rules said all along they needed.  Republicans haven't done this although Harry Reid did set the precedent and Donald Trump has urged Mitch McConnel to do just that in order to pass the Republicans agenda that the Democrats have 100% opposed and suppressed.

If I am wrong please cite the times that Republicans have held that kind of power that the Democrats held and when the Republicans changed the rules as Harry Reid did?

Democrats never had a full Senate or House, either because of sickness/death. I've probably written 10 posts explaining the process.. yet, here you are again, same old tired talking point. Republicans blame Democrats for their inability to govern, as usual.

gbrk posted:

Br’er Rabbit posted:

Kids all over America are walking out of school today. Protesting gun violence. Republicans are talking gun control. These kids are looking for a future for themselves. Republicans can argue with them. They're the ones being shot. We'll see how this turns out for the Republicans. These kids are not playing around and don't intend to settle for the standard Republican line of drivel. You wanted the kids to stand up, they are... now what, Republicans?

Republicans could give these kids 100% of EVERYTHING they demand and ask for and they would still not be satisfied and on top of that they still would vote for Democrats ....

The real reason Republicans won't address the issue. They're scared the kids 'will vote for Democrats'... and in the process, Republicans are making them Democrats.