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Originally posted by Lawrence Black:
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Originally posted by Ronnie P.:
Why must you feel like you must destroy Palin? What other politician has had their children targeted?


John McCain, Don't you recall that low life Bush targeting his daughter
What did Bush say? Oh, and don't say "his workers" or "his people", you specifically said Bush. Show me.
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Originally posted by JOY4567:
Obama thinks there are 57 states? Who is ignorant?


It is amazing in one way but not so much in another that this particular mis-statement by Obama comes up so much on this forum. There are literally dozens of dum-dum utterances by Sarah Palin that coud be, and sometimes are cited to exemplify her air-headedness. She saeems to have a limitless reservoir of them. But you anti-Obama fussbudgets seem to be able to find only this aging statement about "57 states." Is it because you are lazy or is it because you have looked and looked and that is all you could find? Just wondering.
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by JOY4567:
Obama thinks there are 57 states? Who is ignorant?


It is amazing in one way but not so much in another that this particular mis-statement by Obama comes up so much on this forum. There are literally dozens of dum-dum utterances by Sarah Palin that coud be, and sometimes are cited to exemplify her air-headedness. She saeems to have a limitless reservoir of them. But you anti-Obama fussbudgets seem to be able to find only this aging statement about "57 states." Is it because you are lazy or is it because you have looked and looked and that is all you could find? Just wondering.



A true comparison would be with her counterpart -- fumblemouth Biden, for which I could fill pages.

As to Obama, here's a few more:

"t was also interesting to see that political interaction in Europe is not that different from the United States Senate. There's a lot of -- I don't know what the term is in Austrian -- wheeling and dealing -- and, you know, "

The language of Austria, of course, is German.

"It's like -- it was like Special Olympics or something,"

"We don't have the technical capacity to create something like that. It's pretty extraordinary." — Obama, disavowing the possibility that a YouTube video mocking Hillary Clinton was created by his campaign staff.
Two days later, the "Apple 1984 ad" spoof was revealed to be the creation of a political operative employed by a firm overseeing technology for Obama's campaign. The Obama campaign later said it "had no knowledge and had nothing to do with the creation of the ad," and the creator was fired.
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But you anti-Obama fussbudgets seem to be able to find only this aging statement about "57 states."

Well, he could never make it on:
Are you smarter than a fifth grader?

They know the right answer.

Why don't you list all of Obama's campaign promises that he's kept.
That will keep you busy for at least 30 seconds.
Letting Obama speak his mind results in:

"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them ... And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
— Obama, speaking at a San Francisco fundraiser ahead of Pennsylvania's primary.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/speci...0.html#ixzz0cvCzy9df
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Originally posted by interventor12:
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by JOY4567:
Obama thinks there are 57 states? Who is ignorant?


It is amazing in one way but not so much in another that this particular mis-statement by Obama comes up so much on this forum. There are literally dozens of dum-dum utterances by Sarah Palin that coud be, and sometimes are cited to exemplify her air-headedness. She saeems to have a limitless reservoir of them. But you anti-Obama fussbudgets seem to be able to find only this aging statement about "57 states." Is it because you are lazy or is it because you have looked and looked and that is all you could find? Just wondering.



A true comparison would be with her counterpart -- fumblemouth Biden, for which I could fill pages.

As to Obama, here's a few more:

"t was also interesting to see that political interaction in Europe is not that different from the United States Senate. There's a lot of -- I don't know what the term is in Austrian -- wheeling and dealing -- and, you know, "

The language of Austria, of course, is German.

"It's like -- it was like Special Olympics or something,"

"We don't have the technical capacity to create something like that. It's pretty extraordinary." — Obama, disavowing the possibility that a YouTube video mocking Hillary Clinton was created by his campaign staff.
Two days later, the "Apple 1984 ad" spoof was revealed to be the creation of a political operative employed by a firm overseeing technology for Obama's campaign. The Obama campaign later said it "had no knowledge and had nothing to do with the creation of the ad," and the creator was fired.


Sairy P. is still far ahead in the gaffe and howler department!

http://politicalhumor.about.co...alin/a/palinisms.htm

Be sure to read all FOUR screens worth!

Here is one of my favorite:

"COURIC: What other Supreme Court decisions do you disagree with?
PALIN: Hmm. Well, let’s see. There’s, of course, in the great history of America there have been rulings, that there’s never going to be absolute consensus by every American. And there are those issues, again, like Roe v. Wade where I believe are best held on a state level and addressed there. So you know, going through the history of America, there would be others but …
COURIC: Can you think of any?
PALIN: Well, I would think of, of any again that could be best dealt with on a more local level. Maybe I would take issue with. But you know, as mayor, and then as governor and even as a Vice President, if I’m so privileged to serve, wouldn’t be in a position of changing those things but in supporting the law of the land as it reads today."
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Originally posted by interventor12:
Letting Obama speak his mind results in:

"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them ... And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
— Obama, speaking at a San Francisco fundraiser ahead of Pennsylvania's primary.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/speci...0.html#ixzz0cvCzy9df


Obama spoke truth with that statement. the truth sometimes hurts and in politics it is not always best to say SOME things, even if they ARE true. But what Candidate Obama said on that occasion was true. I know some of these people of whom he spoke.
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by interventor12:
Letting Obama speak his mind results in:

"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them ... And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
— Obama, speaking at a San Francisco fundraiser ahead of Pennsylvania's primary.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/speci...0.html#ixzz0cvCzy9df


Obama spoke truth with that statement. the truth sometimes hurts and in politics it is not always best to say SOME things, even if they ARE true. But what Candidate Obama said on that occasion was true. I know some of these people of whom he spoke.


Let betern nuttin go, and he reveals more of his own bigotry.
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by interventor12:
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by JOY4567:
Obama thinks there are 57 states? Who is ignorant?


It is amazing in one way but not so much in another that this particular mis-statement by Obama comes up so much on this forum. There are literally dozens of dum-dum utterances by Sarah Palin that coud be, and sometimes are cited to exemplify her air-headedness. She saeems to have a limitless reservoir of them. But you anti-Obama fussbudgets seem to be able to find only this aging statement about "57 states." Is it because you are lazy or is it because you have looked and looked and that is all you could find? Just wondering.



A true comparison would be with her counterpart -- fumblemouth Biden, for which I could fill pages.

As to Obama, here's a few more:

"t was also interesting to see that political interaction in Europe is not that different from the United States Senate. There's a lot of -- I don't know what the term is in Austrian -- wheeling and dealing -- and, you know, "

The language of Austria, of course, is German.

"It's like -- it was like Special Olympics or something,"

"We don't have the technical capacity to create something like that. It's pretty extraordinary." — Obama, disavowing the possibility that a YouTube video mocking Hillary Clinton was created by his campaign staff.
Two days later, the "Apple 1984 ad" spoof was revealed to be the creation of a political operative employed by a firm overseeing technology for Obama's campaign. The Obama campaign later said it "had no knowledge and had nothing to do with the creation of the ad," and the creator was fired.


Sairy P. is still far ahead in the gaffe and howler department!

http://politicalhumor.about.co...alin/a/palinisms.htm

Be sure to read all FOUR screens worth!

Here is one of my favorite:

"COURIC: What other Supreme Court decisions do you disagree with?
PALIN: Hmm. Well, let’s see. There’s, of course, in the great history of America there have been rulings, that there’s never going to be absolute consensus by every American. And there are those issues, again, like Roe v. Wade where I believe are best held on a state level and addressed there. So you know, going through the history of America, there would be others but …
COURIC: Can you think of any?
PALIN: Well, I would think of, of any again that could be best dealt with on a more local level. Maybe I would take issue with. But you know, as mayor, and then as governor and even as a Vice President, if I’m so privileged to serve, wouldn’t be in a position of changing those things but in supporting the law of the land as it reads today."


You complain about the 57 state comment being old!
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by JOY4567:
Obama thinks there are 57 states? Who is ignorant?


It is amazing in one way but not so much in another that this particular mis-statement by Obama comes up so much on this forum. There are literally dozens of dum-dum utterances by Sarah Palin that coud be, and sometimes are cited to exemplify her air-headedness. She saeems to have a limitless reservoir of them. But you anti-Obama fussbudgets seem to be able to find only this aging statement about "57 states." Is it because you are lazy or is it because you have looked and looked and that is all you could find? Just wondering.


I own laziness - see interventor's response.
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Originally posted by CrustyMac:
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Originally posted by Ronnie P.:
Why must you feel like you must destroy Palin? What other politician has had their children targeted?


Dick Cheney's daughter was attacked by the Gore camp for her sexual preference.


Ms. Cheney was not a "child." And the remarks were not an "attack." And I believe it was not Gore in 2000, but John Kerry in 2004 who had something to say about Mrry Cheney, the 35-year old "child" of Dick Cheney.

During the 2004 Presidential debate, the moderator, Bob Schieffer, asked the candidates, “Do you believe homosexuality is a choice?” Kerry answered:

"We’re all God’s children, Bob. And I think if you were to talk to Dick Cheney’s daughter, who is a lesbian, she would tell you that she’s being who she was, she’s being who she was born as. I think if you talk to anybody, it’s not a choice."

The GOP crowd jumped all over Kerry as though he had "outed" Cheney's daughter. Here is information on Mary Cheney that already was in the public domain at the time of this alleged "outing":

LINK: http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2483

"Infact, Mary Cheney’s sexuality is clearly not something she tried to shield from the eyes of the public. She’s worked as a liaison to the gay community for Coors Beer; in 2002 and 2003 she served on the board of the Republican Unity Coalition, a gay organization founded in 2000 to support George W. Bush. (When she joined that group, she issued a statement announcing she would work to “make sexual orientation a non-issue for the Republican Party”—Washington Post, 4/23/02). Dick Cheney himself had spoken openly about Mary’s sexuality, most recently at a campaign stop in Iowa (AP, 10/15/04).

Curiously, just a week earlier, the media hardly batted an eyelash over the issue of privacy when candidate John Edwards referred to Mary’s sexuality in the vice presidential debate. Chris Matthews (MSNBC, 10/6/04) did call Edwards’ remark “ruthless,” while Tucker Carlson thought it “bad form” (CNN.com, 10/5/04), but for the most part pundits didn’t find his comments worth mentioning. Vice President Cheney had actually thanked Edwards for his positive references to the Cheney family during the debate, and no one in the GOP made Mary Cheney’s right to privacy a topic of media discussion afterwards."

So, it was Kerry, not Gore. What Kerry said was NOT an "attack,", but was defensive of Mary Cheney's sexual preference. There was no "attack," except the contrived attack on Kerry as carried out by GOP propagandists who distorted what was said into something it was not! Read the full link posted above, from Fairness and Accuracy In Reporting and get familiar with the actual FACTS in this matter.
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I stand corrected regarding Gore vs Kerry. For me they are two peas in a pod.

It was not really common knowledge that Cheney's daughter was gay, and her outing on national TV was a dispicable act. I saw the incident on TV, and Kerry was obviously pulling a political stunt.

If you believe it wasn't calculated, then bless your little heart. Roll Eyes
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Originally posted by CrustyMac:
I stand corrected regarding Gore vs Kerry. For me they are two peas in a pod.

It was not really common knowledge that Cheney's daughter was gay, and her outing on national TV was a dispicable act. I saw the incident on TV, and Kerry was obviously pulling a political stunt.

If you believe it wasn't calculated, then bless your little heart. Roll Eyes


I agree. He didn't have to bring her up to make his point - that was a calculated move on his part. He cleverly put a positive spin on it to make it appear that he was just defending gay people...all the while he was using a gay person to hurt his opponent. Kind of a double standard if you ask me.
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Originally posted by interventor12:
Letting Obama speak his mind results in:

"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them ... And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
— Obama, speaking at a San Francisco fundraiser ahead of Pennsylvania's primary.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/speci...0.html#ixzz0cvCzy9df


Letting Obama speak his mind generally results in, "uh, ah, ummmmm, ah....."
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Originally posted by lynnblount:
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Originally posted by CrustyMac:
I stand corrected regarding Gore vs Kerry. For me they are two peas in a pod.

It was not really common knowledge that Cheney's daughter was gay, and her outing on national TV was a dispicable act. I saw the incident on TV, and Kerry was obviously pulling a political stunt.

If you believe it wasn't calculated, then bless your little heart. Roll Eyes


I agree. He didn't have to bring her up to make his point - that was a calculated move on his part. He cleverly put a positive spin on it to make it appear that he was just defending gay people...all the while he was using a gay person to hurt his opponent. Kind of a double standard if you ask me.


Bless your own little heart. You are not paying attention. Her sexual preference was sufficiently of common knowledge as to have been brought up the week before Kerry spoke of it. Here it is again, since you must have missed it earlier. Note Dick Cheney's positive reaction:

"Curiously, just a week earlier, the media hardly batted an eyelash over the issue of privacy when candidate John Edwards referred to Mary’s sexuality in the vice presidential debate. Chris Matthews (MSNBC, 10/6/04) did call Edwards’ remark “ruthless,” while Tucker Carlson thought it “bad form” (CNN.com, 10/5/04), but for the most part pundits didn’t find his comments worth mentioning. Vice President Cheney had actually thanked Edwards for his positive references to the Cheney family during the debate, and no one in the GOP made Mary Cheney’s right to privacy a topic of media discussion afterwards."
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Originally posted by CrustyMac:
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Originally posted by interventor12:
Letting Obama speak his mind results in:

"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them ... And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
— Obama, speaking at a San Francisco fundraiser ahead of Pennsylvania's primary.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/speci...0.html#ixzz0cvCzy9df


Letting Obama speak his mind generally results in, "uh, ah, ummmmm, ah....."


Big Grin So true! So true!
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by lynnblount:
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Originally posted by CrustyMac:
I stand corrected regarding Gore vs Kerry. For me they are two peas in a pod.

It was not really common knowledge that Cheney's daughter was gay, and her outing on national TV was a dispicable act. I saw the incident on TV, and Kerry was obviously pulling a political stunt.

If you believe it wasn't calculated, then bless your little heart. Roll Eyes


I agree. He didn't have to bring her up to make his point - that was a calculated move on his part. He cleverly put a positive spin on it to make it appear that he was just defending gay people...all the while he was using a gay person to hurt his opponent. Kind of a double standard if you ask me.


Bless your own little heart. You are not paying attention. Her sexual preference was sufficiently of common knowledge as to have been brought up the week before Kerry spoke of it. Here it is again, since you must have missed it earlier. Note Dick Cheney's positive reaction:

"Curiously, just a week earlier, the media hardly batted an eyelash over the issue of privacy when candidate John Edwards referred to Mary’s sexuality in the vice presidential debate. Chris Matthews (MSNBC, 10/6/04) did call Edwards’ remark “ruthless,” while Tucker Carlson thought it “bad form” (CNN.com, 10/5/04), but for the most part pundits didn’t find his comments worth mentioning. Vice President Cheney had actually thanked Edwards for his positive references to the Cheney family during the debate, and no one in the GOP made Mary Cheney’s right to privacy a topic of media discussion afterwards."


I paid attention. And while I'm not the political pundit you take yourself to be, I am better informed than most Americans when it comes to politics - which isn't really hard to do, and isn't saying much at all. Since I had no inkling of even the existance of Cheney's daughter before the comment, it is safe to say that most of America didn't either.

If Cheney was more gentlemanly than Kerry, it doesn't excuse Kerry's backhanded "positive reference." Whether or not the media batted an eye or not is irrelavent. The fact that Kerry brought it up again, after Edwards remark didn't get any traction, just reinforces my point.
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by lynnblount:
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Originally posted by CrustyMac:
I stand corrected regarding Gore vs Kerry. For me they are two peas in a pod.

It was not really common knowledge that Cheney's daughter was gay, and her outing on national TV was a dispicable act. I saw the incident on TV, and Kerry was obviously pulling a political stunt.

If you believe it wasn't calculated, then bless your little heart. Roll Eyes


I agree. He didn't have to bring her up to make his point - that was a calculated move on his part. He cleverly put a positive spin on it to make it appear that he was just defending gay people...all the while he was using a gay person to hurt his opponent. Kind of a double standard if you ask me.


Bless your own little heart. You are not paying attention. Her sexual preference was sufficiently of common knowledge as to have been brought up the week before Kerry spoke of it. Here it is again, since you must have missed it earlier. Note Dick Cheney's positive reaction:

"Curiously, just a week earlier, the media hardly batted an eyelash over the issue of privacy when candidate John Edwards referred to Mary’s sexuality in the vice presidential debate. Chris Matthews (MSNBC, 10/6/04) did call Edwards’ remark “ruthless,” while Tucker Carlson thought it “bad form” (CNN.com, 10/5/04), but for the most part pundits didn’t find his comments worth mentioning. Vice President Cheney had actually thanked Edwards for his positive references to the Cheney family during the debate, and no one in the GOP made Mary Cheney’s right to privacy a topic of media discussion afterwards."


Umm, BeternU , I'm not the one that said "Bless your little heart" to start with...your response to me using the same phrase is unwarranted.. I'm on here to discuss my opinions and listen to others....not belittle you or anyone else.

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