Why would you care if someone carries a gun for their on protection if they have a CCW and leave it in their car while at work.

i havent checked alabama yet, i dont have kids in public school here, but in TN a CC permit holder can have their gun on school property if it is locked in your vehicle and out of site (cannot be on your person in the vehicle, must be in the console or glovebox if i remember correctly.)

and folks would be surprised by how many people carry at church.  My .380 slips in my pocket and you cant tell its there (that is the point of CC, afterall.)  Doesnt take much for someone to rob you in the dark parking lot after evening service.  Churches are far from immune from crime, sad to say.

What do you know - in Alabama there is NO law against carrying concealed on public school property.  You can carry into your kids classroom if it is concealed.  Apparently, they are trying to pass a law to require it be locked in the car similiar to the TN laws.  

http://blog.al.com/breaking/20...legislator_work.html <---- kindof old but i dont think the law has changed yet from what ive read

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why would you want to carry a gun to work, if your company expressly forbid it?

why would you want the government to take that right away from them?

I hear you. Nothing is a really ever as simple as it might seem on the surface. Every individual has different circumstances. 

Oh well, It was a nice thought anyway. 

Y'all have fun! 

 It is a shame that we agree on the principal of this topic, but you still have to nit pick on something as simple as the way an article is written and you have to resort to calling names. this is a prime example of how a sore looser you are!

Now you want to go back to something that was said several months ago and now read the pm I sent you? In no way do I have any intent to drag you into something I have nothing to do with, I sent you the pm only as a friendly gesture because I thought I may know you from your posting style. Now tell me, how come you don't snub your nose and ignore me now like you did when I was trying to be friendly with you?

Just be advised that you have now struck the wrong cord with me so don't be surprised if I call you out on your paranoid lies when you least expect it. Yes, I will go back and find the post you made concerning what you called me a bold faced liar over, I will do it at my own time though.

 I see now that you are not capable of acting in a friendly manner  while on these forums! If you have any desire for the both of us to keep dignity here, then you will let this mess end right here. Nobody else cares anything at all about having to see this kind of dialog carried out on this public forum.

I really wish you would check your drama at the door! 

Truce?

This is just one more case of the left starting to turn one group against another. They leave out facts, pretty important facts, and that slants the story and makes it appear that people want to be able to carry their guns while they work. Then comes the "concerned" citizens that want people to believe that all people at work are all wound up and stressed out, and if they are "allowed" to carry their guns they'll be shooting up the place. This is just how the left operates, they get others to "do their dirty work." Now obama can look all innocent and declare he doesn't want to take your guns, while all his toadies are on forums, tv, all over, spreading the misinformation. Just like he pitted the "rich" against the "poor". I still can't figure out exactly who are the rich and who are the poor in this little war. I saw one figure of $250,000.00 a year.  Really? That's poor??? Oh well, math is not the demos strong suit, that's been proven time and time again.

But the beauty of the democratic party, if you can call it that, is how they're able to make lemonade out of lemons. They have someone in their party that does something wrong or illegal, and by george they can justify it and try to make the one reporting it the bad guy. Then they run and drag out everything they can find about the Republicans, Tea Party, anyone that opposes them, and hiss and spit and declare that it was "covered up" and look how awful they are!!! 

They're the party of criminals. One of the latest examples-Jessie Jr.-crook. Could be going to jail. Not a word about his criminal activities, just "you have something against people who have mental issues"? Then they'll run make a thread about something a republican did and it's egregious!!! Egregious I tell you!!

You will never see one post about the black panthers or any of the other radical groups that support democrats, but they will tell you how the republicans support the kkk and all other groups along those lines. Voter fraud? LOL!!! Voter fraud is one of the mainstays of the democratic party, yet they have the nerve to claim that it's the republicans doing it!! They ignore it even when it's done by a democrat running for office.

They love g a y people, unless it's a g a y republican. They love black people, unless it's a black republican, they love religion and use it quite well during elections telling everyone who jesus wants them to support, but it's wrong for republicans to be religious and say they will vote their "religious" views.

Now comes this gun issue. Do they care that there is a need for some people to carry guns? Do they care that more laws against legal gun ownership does nothing towards "fixing" crime committed with guns? They do what they do because their party supports banning guns. I wonder why all the anti-gun nuts aren't going into the areas where the gangs are all armed and telling those people to get rid of their guns. Do they go in and do their "big" talk to the gangs and thugs that are armed and tell them to get rid of their guns? Would they go into those gang owned and controlled areas unarmed? LOL!! Of course they wouldn't. They wouldn't go at all because they know what would happen to them in those places. They call gun owners all sorts of names, but in reality they're the weak ************. They save all their big talk for the ones they think they can bully.

This is why I say that in a "real" election very few, if any, democrats would ever be put in any office, and obama most certainly would never have been in the oval office for one term much less two.

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 I think leaving out facts, and by that omission the story is slanted, is a bit more than a little difference in the way a story is written, and questioning why it was done isn't nit picking. It appears they copied the story word for word except for those important facts. You keep harping on "name calling". Exactly what name calling are you referencing? Sore loser? What did I lose? As far as bringing up the PM, I did that simply because you went off the deep end about the fact I didn't answer it, and YOU started the name calling, but you keep whining about me calling names.

Now you tell me if it was you or me that started this back and forth. You sure seemed to want my attention going by the way you post your snarky remarks about the things I post.  I'm supposed to be friendly with someone that does that?  Do you honestly think I give a flip about "striking a cord" with you? I don't post lies, paranoid or any other, so you won't have anything to "call me on". Nothing you post would "surprise" or matter to me, so maybe you should get over yourself and leave your drama at the door. My dignity is intact, worry about your own. Let what mess end here? Do you mean let you and others post whatever you want and don't respond. Not happening. Why don't you block my posts if they upset you so?

I already stated why several times I have to drive thru some of the worst parts of Memphis during the times of 2400 and 0500.  Believe me if you break down/have a flat in that part of Memphis at 0300 you want protection.  I do not want to carry into work just to leave it in the car locked up.

Hiflyer, a jailhouse lawyer I'm not, but I do believe the SCOTUS decision you referred to from 2008 applied only to guns in home for self defense--not carrying concealed in a vehicle.

Yes but I was referring to Puppys post saying since he was not militia he was not covered by the 2nd amendment.  SCOTUS confirmed that the 2nd amendment was a individual right not related to a militia.

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Yo, Fly.....Gitcher s#*! straight..... That wasn't MY post. I was agreeing with LAL on another point.

Sorry no way to tell since you quoted the whole thing and agreed with it.

Wyo. man kills 2, self; attack locks down school

CASPER, Wyo. (AP) — An attack at a small community college and a nearby neighborhood left three people dead, at least one from a sharp weapon as police tried to figure out how the violence unfolded in the community in the middle of Wyoming.

Police found the suspect and one of the victims dead at a science building on the Casper College campus, which was locked down for about two hours, school and police officials said. The other victim was found about two miles away. One of the two killed was a faculty member.

Authorities say the suspect used a sharp-edged weapon in at least one of the deaths.

http://news.yahoo.com/wyo-man-...-down-213946487.html

I wasn't insulting you LAL. I was quoting a line from  a television show. Hence the quotations marks and credit to the originator. No need to be snippy and threatening. You mention keeping it in your car. That is the purpose for the law. Most employers have policies against it.

Update:

Bow-and-Arrow Attack: Man Kills Father in Front of Horrified Class

Michigan Republicans are moving forward with a couple of bills that will make it easier to get handguns in our state and to ease restrictions on where concealed weapons may be carried.

Apparently, one of Michigan’s biggest problems is that it’s just too ****ed inconvenient to get a gun and who wouldn’t want concealed weapons in churches, schools, bars, and stadiums?

like i said... we take them to work... then, it'll be school, church, the stadium.... i just don't see how that is going to be a good thing!

then, it'll be school - not illegal in the state of Alabama, most schools that have a policy against it, it only applies to students and faculty.  Alabama is attempting to pass a law requiring CCW permit holders leave them secured in their vehicle similar to the bill discussed here. 

church - not illegal in Alabama, you'd be surprised how many are carried to church concealed.

the stadium - again, not illegal

CCW permit holders carry to these places every day already.....

You did read the link I posted a few pages back, didnt you?  In case you didnt - 

http://blog.al.com/breaking/20...legislator_work.html

'But there is no book to throw in Alabama. According to state law (Sec.13A, 11-72c), it is legal to take a loaded gun on to school property providing the person has a permit.

While federal law does prohibit taking a concealed weapon on a campus, Muncey advised school officials it would be relatively futile to turn to federal authorities, "because there was no intent to do bodily harm," one of the stipulations in the federal law.'

My understanding is the only thing that the schools that post those signs can do (here in Alabama) right now is have you arrested for Trespass if you refuse to leave or ban you (depending on their internal policies).  

'"We don't want to take away anyone's right by state law (to carry a gun)," said Fowler. "But we did the most we can do according to our policy (prohibiting a person from coming on campus for up to a year), which we have done.'

Wasnt it you that mentioned that the signs have no legal bearing?  Let me look back and confirm that......

I may have misread the above to be your thoughts on the 'No Guns Signs', was I mistaken?

Lots of articles on the lack of a state law preventing carrying on campus from the beginning of 2012 - anyone know if the law was ever passed, I cant seem to find anything concrete either way.....

http://fox8.com/2012/02/29/ala...er-chardon-shooting/

http://www.cbs42.com/content/l...54kS-NuoFCbuSVg.cspx

Here is a response from the legislator who was pursuing the bill saying he would no longer push to have it passed:

" Due to your responses I WILL NOT PURSUE ANY LEGISLATION TO BE PASSED!" - Rep Mac McCutcheon (quoted from the blog listed below)

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_8_31/482732_.html

And, just to show that Alabama is not the only state that allows you to have your loaded weapon on campus, some documentation on TN as well - 

It is not an offense for a nonstudent adult to possess a firearm, if such firearm is contained within a private vehicle operated by the adult and is not handled by such adult, or by any other person acting with the expresses or implied consent of such adult, while such vehicle is on school property.

http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/tennessee.pdf

So, in Tennessee, a CCW permit holder can have their gun on campus as long as it remains in the vehicle and is not handled while the vehicle is on school property......

those same laws apply to you having a gun in your car, at work! the company policy won't change. there will have to be a "test case", to see if the law holds up. in the end, i'm betting company policy wins out! and law or not, you'll still have to leave it at home! so, IMHO, the whole argument is worthless!

Here is one school shooting you dont hear about very often:

The moment Myrick heard shots, he ran to his truck. He unlocked the door, removed his gun from its case, removed a round of bullets from another case, loaded the gun and went looking for the killer. "I've always kept a gun in the truck just in case something like this ever happened," said Myrick, who has since become Principal of Corinth High School, Corinth, Miss.

Woodham knew cops would arrive before too long, so he was all business, no play. No talk of Jesus, just shooting and reloading, shooting and reloading. He shot until he heard sirens, and then ran to his car. His plan, authorities subsequently learned, was to drive to nearby Pearl Junior High School and shoot more kids before police could show up.

But Myrick foiled that plan. He saw the killer fleeing the campus and positioned himself to point a gun at the windshield. Woodham, seeing the gun pointed at his head, crashed the car. Myrick approached the killer and confronted him. "Here was this monster killing kids in my school, and the minute I put a gun to his head he was a kid again," Myrick said.

http://www.davekopel.com/2a/ot...rincipal&gun.htm

How many more stories like this might there be if more folks carried concealed in their vehicle?  Rapists and thieves ignore locked doors, bank robbers ignore the 'federal offense' signs and wording at the entrance to most banks, and serial killers and shooters ignore no weapons laws.  Thats not an opinion, its a fact..... 

What good is guns if they are lock away in a car?  What are you going to do, tell the other person with the gun ready to shoot you to  "HOLD ON MAN, LET ME GET MY GUN OUT OF THE CAR".

All is well, get a little edgy sometimes.  

Once again, the object is for the CCW permit holder to be able to carry to and from work without fear of being fired if anyone found out the gun was in his car.  When i stop at CVS on my way home, i want to exercise my right to carry my weapon into the store with me.  I cant do that if I'm forced to leave it at home when i go to work.

Lets assume, while i am at work, someone breaks into a bunch of cars on my employers property and steals my gun in the process.  If my employer asks to see the reports and notices my gun was stolen, i get fired just for having it in the car.  This law would protect a legally licensed CCW permit holder from being fired - thus enabling me to carry my weapon into CVS on my way home without fear of being fired for having it in the car during the day.

As for what good they are in the car if something happens at work - probably not much good at all.  But i bet there are some parents in Pearl MS that were glad Mr Myrick had his in his car that day......

I happened to be in Judge Jones' Court-room one day about a year or so ago and there was a trial involving Joe Wheeler State Park. There were three or four employees of the Park who testified at trial.  All of them, I say again, all of them were armed.  Now, I know you say they were security personnel and you would be partially correct.  One was a book-keeper/accountant and he was armed.  I recall he testified that most staff at Joe Wheeler are armed.  Why?  Who knows?  I do know that I resolved right then never to go back to Joe Wheeler Park.  Either their crime rate is through the roof or they have a bumper crop of Barney Fife wannabes.

 These employee's at Joe Wheeler state park you speak of are all Park Rangers. A park ranger's job is no different from a policeman! Now imagine seeing a cop without a gun?

Gus is right. Those guys are sworn police officers who have graduated police academy. Try thanking them for keeping the park safe.

You thought they let "security" people, not officers, come into a court room/courthouse armed? 

Florida park ranger

Here you go - an unbiased report.....

http://whnt.com/2012/12/13/gunsworkbill/

Gun owners would still be prevented from actually carrying their weapons inside if their employer’s company policy forbids it. The proposed law only applies to those people who have a legal permit to carry, and is not applicable to workplaces that are on federal property like Redstone ****nal.

27 dead (at least) in the latest school shooting today.  I wonder if the school district forgot to put up the 'no guns allowed' signs at the entrance to the school?

Prayers with their families.  Hopefully some people will wake up to the truth before it happens again and again and again....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...bf7ccab4e_story.html

I still believe those employees at Joe Wheeler are Barney Fife wannabes.  I visit Shiloh Battlefield Park frequently and I have yet to see an armed park ranger there.  Joe Wheeler's staff, including the book-keeper for crying out loud) just want to be "packing"

Anybody that says "NO GUNS IN THE WORKPLACE" should be placed in a situation where they need a gun and see if they say that again.