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Government agents can sneak onto your property in the middle of the night, put a GPS device on the bottom of your car and keep track of everywhere you go. This doesn't violate your Fourth Amendment rights, because you do not have any reasonable expectation of privacy in your own driveway - and no reasonable expectation that the government isn't tracking your movements.

That is the bizarre - and scary - rule that now applies in California and eight other Western states. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, which covers this vast jurisdiction, recently decided the government can monitor you in this way virtually anytime it wants - with no need for a search warrant.


We can only hope the SCOTUS overturns this horrible ruling. If those judges had an ounce of decency they would retire and never practice law again, but that won't happen.
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Originally posted by dolemitejb:
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Government agents can sneak onto your property in the middle of the night, put a GPS device on the bottom of your car and keep track of everywhere you go. This doesn't violate your Fourth Amendment rights, because you do not have any reasonable expectation of privacy in your own driveway - and no reasonable expectation that the government isn't tracking your movements.

That is the bizarre - and scary - rule that now applies in California and eight other Western states. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, which covers this vast jurisdiction, recently decided the government can monitor you in this way virtually anytime it wants - with no need for a search warrant.


We can only hope the SCOTUS overturns this horrible ruling. If those judges had an ounce of decency they would retire and never practice law again, but that won't happen.


Well really should we care about the 4th Amendment? I mean it written such a long time ago...and I know "technically" it's never been repealed, but these are different times. We can't rely on old white slave owners in this day and age.

And surely the courts and government only have our "best" interests in mind. Really it's about safety and security...and oh yeah...the kids...don't forget about the kids.

(if not obvious, the preceding is dripping with sarcasm)
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Originally posted by paw-paw:
If you have a cell phone or XM radio, they can already do this type of tracking your every move. They are only two examples. There are more.


The Patriot Act allows such cell phone tracking without a warrant. Its good for the cell phone service providers though as they can charge $3000/day for providing certified tracking histories.
While it is not reasonable or likely that the guv'ment will bug the average citizens car, it is a troubling ruling. While it may be illegal for the US government to listen in on our conversations without a warrant, that does not apply to foreign governments that the US has agreements with. It should be noted that the UK has been eavesdropping on US citizens and the US have been spying on British citizens since 1946 with both sides sharing the information.

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ECHELON was reportedly created to monitor the military and diplomatic communications of the Soviet Union and its Eastern Bloc allies during the Cold War in the early 1960s, but since the end of the Cold War it is believed to search also for hints of terrorist plots, drug dealers' plans, and political and diplomatic intelligence.[citation needed]

The system has been reported in a number of public sources.[4] Its capabilities and political implications were investigated by a committee of the European Parliament during 2000 and 2001 with a report published in 2001,[5] and by author James Bamford in his books on the National Security Agency of the United States.[3]

In its report, the European Parliament states that the term Turtle is used in a number of contexts, but that the evidence presented indicates that it was the name for a signals intelligence collection system. The report concludes that, on the basis of information presented, ECHELON was capable of interception and content inspection of telephone calls, fax, e-mail and other data traffic globally through the interception of communication bearers including satellite transmission, public switched telephone networks (which once carried most Internet traffic) and microwave links.[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON
The Soviets started an Echelon type program during the Cold War. The FBI would start phone calls with recordings of teen age girls droning on and on about everything and nothing. Except, every so often, a key work would be mentioned that would trigger the software to record the conversation. I pity the poor KGB spy who had to listen to those conversations.

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