Are the LDS a real Christian Church

sure.

so far the only real requirement necessary to be ' christian' seems to be

1- do you believe christ was the son of god, sent here to redeem our sins, and that he died for our salvation?
2- do you accept that salvation with an open heart and ask forgivness of your sins, and ask Christ to guide you forever more?

seems to pretty much cover it. everythign else is just icing on the cake.

so.. they even put the dudes name in their offical title. not even the baptists can say that.

sure, they ae as christian as any one else who claims it, but doesn't follow he typical cookie-cutter version of the word.
bill claims to be christian.
so does veep.
one of em is wrong.
OR, both are right, and it is about what's in your heart not in the little fiddly details that no one cares about except fundies , and the only reason they care is so they can show everyone else how they are wrong.


sure.. the mormons can be christian.. why not? the 7th day adventists as well. let em all come, as long as the the core thing is that christ died to forgive us, and they accept his sacrifice for their salvation.

thye are just as welcome as the baptists and catholics and methodists and the free presbyterians.. and the locked-up presbytarians.
episcopals (catholic lite, for those who don't know... all the salvation, 1/3 the guilt)


ok. sitting back now while bill tells us all how only his version of christianty is the right one, and we all ignore him the same way we ignore grandad when he starts putting his underpants on his head at thanksgiving.

The later Day Saints church is for sure in a league all of it's own. Their teaching is absolutely in a world of it's own.
The beliefs they teach is somewhat a cross between the here and the unknown.
I personally feel the doctrine that is taught is false. But ,hey, that's just just what I think.

I think Dwight would be better off keeping his belief in the news section about the town of Cherokee. But hey, everyone can do whatever they want.
So if D.R. wants to expand his silly thinking about the nice little town of Cherokee to this section, well then , have at it.

The LDS Church teaches that a human male can "progress" to a state where he can be a god over his own universe and, with his multiple heavenly wives, can propagate myriads of his children to populate some planet like the Earth. That doctrine is wholly un-Biblical and totally nonsensical. It is certainly not like anything taught in the Christian scriptures.

Mormonism (LDS) is a daffy cult invented by Joseph Smith and believed in by millions of gullible dupes who make no real effort to investigate the history and tenets of their faith. It is not a Christian church.

thenagel writes:

[QUOTE] so far the only real requirement necessary to be ' christian' seems to be

1- do you believe christ was the son of god, sent here to redeem our sins, and that he died for our salvation?
2- do you accept that salvation with an open heart and ask forgivness of your sins, and ask Christ to guide you forever more?

seems to pretty much cover it. everythign else is just icing on the cake."[QUOTE]

Well, thenagel, the LDS teach that a person can receive heavenly blessings even if he/she did none of those things you have listed. They teach that a Mormon can be baptized in behalf of a deceased person who never believed any of those things you have listed and who never accepted salvation with an open heart and never asked Christ to guide him/her forever more.

Thus, those dead folks, according to Mormon theology, can be saved without any of the prerequisites you list, so long as they are baptized by proxy theough the kind offices of a Mormon stand-in.

Seems to me that you shouldn't be so hasty to endorse, as Christian, a belief system that confers salvation upon those who have not done what YOU consider necessary for salvation.

As further education on the Mormon cult, try this--from the LDS's official web pages:

"Great Blessings Resulted from the Transgression
• How does the Fall provide opportunities for us to become like our Heavenly Father?

Some people believe Adam and Eve committed a serious sin when they ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. However, latter-day scriptures help us understand that their Fall was a necessary step in the plan of life and a great blessing to all of us. Because of the Fall, we are blessed with physical bodies, the right to choose between good and evil, and the opportunity to gain eternal life. None of these privileges would have been ours had Adam and Eve remained in the garden.

After the Fall, Eve said, “Were it not for our transgression we never should have had seed [children], and never should have known good and evil, and the joy of our redemption, and the eternal life which God giveth unto all the obedient” (Moses 5:11).

The prophet Lehi explained:

“And now, behold, if Adam had not transgressed he would not have fallen [been cut off from the presence of God], but he would have remained in the Garden of Eden. And all things which were created must have remained in the same state in which they were after they were created. …

“And they would have had no children; wherefore they would have remained in a state of innocence, having no joy, for they knew no misery; doing no good, for they knew no sin.

“But behold, all things have been done in the wisdom of him who knoweth all things.

“Adam fell that men might be; and men are, that they might have joy” (2 Nephi 2:22–25)."

I am not making this up; the Mormons did!

Link: http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index....CM1000003a94610aRCRD

Don't you think that you should let someone of the church explain?

They worship Jesus as their savior, is that not the requirement for Christianity?

quote:

Originally posted by b50m:
Don't you think that you should let someone of the church explain?

They worship Jesus as their savior, is that not the requirement for Christianity?

I would more than welcome someone from the LDS Church to come on here and explain these things. There is an LDS member, "C.O.B.R.A., who is frequently on this forum and maybe he would be a good candidate to come here and 'splain some of these things. He operates his own blog, where he propagates a wide range of LDS heresies. See: http://cherokeesrealcobra.blog...lk-about-rumors.html

What do you mean when you say that I should "let someone of that church explain"? I have done nothing to restrain any LDS member or anyone else from coming here and entering dialogue with me or others. Let them come! I heartily invite them to come! I welcome the opportunity to publicly engage them in dialogue. It could be a very educational process. Bring it on, LDS! beternU eagerly awaits your entry into this discussion.

Anybody who knocks on my door to talk AT me about god is a nutjob.

Morons-if the religion was so believable-PEOPLE WOULD COME TO YOU-not the other way around.

I feel the LDS is more of a business like the Jehovahs Witnesses.

quote:

Originally posted by b50m:
Don't you think that you should let someone of the church explain?

They worship Jesus as their savior, is that not the requirement for Christianity?

Hi B,

No, they do not worship Jesus Christ as Savior. They worship a man, a created being who is the spirit brother of Lucifer/Satan, and they call him Jesus Christ.

Their Jesus is a totally different person from the Jesus Christ of John 1:1 in the Bible.

And, they do not worship the God of the Bible. They worship a god who was intially a man and then grew into a god -- and their god is one of a committee of gods. The heavens and earth, in Mormonism, was created by the committee of gods.

The Mormon church is a cult church.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

So you are saying that they worship Satan's brother who happens to be named Jesus?

Tell me this Bill, according to the World Christian Encyclopedia (year 2000 version), global Christianity had 33,820 denominations with 3,445,000 congregations/churches composed of 1,888 million affiliated Christians.

Why do you think you have it right and the other 33,819 denominations have it wrong when they all use the same Bible?

quote:

Originally posted by b50m:
So you are saying that they worship Satan's brother who happens to be named Jesus?

Tell me this Bill, according to the World Christian Encyclopedia (year 2000 version), global Christianity had 33,820 denominations with 3,445,000 congregations/churches composed of 1,888 million affiliated Christians.

Why do you think you have it right and the other 33,819 denominations have it wrong when they all use the same Bible?

Hi B,

Oh, no, I believe that all Christian churches have it right. We may disagree on some non-essential teachings -- but, on the Essential Christian Teachings; we are in sync.

But, there are cult churches who try to wear a Christian face -- but are not successful. The Mormon church is one of those.

Yes, they follow a created being they have named Jesus Christ -- who is, according to the teachings of the Mormon leaders -- is the "spirit brother" of Lucifer. I don't say it -- their leaders say it.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

All Christian churches?

So all Catholic and all Protestant churches?

quote:

Originally posted by Bill Gray:
[But, there are cult churches who try to wear a Christian face -- but are not successful. The Mormon church is one of those.

Yes, they follow a created being they have named Jesus Christ -- who is, according to the teachings of the Mormon leaders -- is the "spirit brother" of Lucifer. I don't say it -- their leaders say it.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Wow. That explains Glenn Beck and Mitt Romney.

ya know.. after all the things i've seen incorrectly stated about the catholic church and their beliefs...things i know to be false...
i'm just gonna wait and see if anyone who claims to be mormon wants to answer..

forgive me for not accepting your word, Bet and bill, but if you aren't a member then you don't really know - you only know what someone else has said or written about the LDS peoples.

heresay isn't even admissible in a court, i'm certainly not doing to give it any credence in here.

so.. any mormons wanna address this?
do you believe christ is the son of god, sent here for our salvation, and died to wash away our sins so that we may enter the kingdom of heaven?

if yes, then they are as christian as a baptist or a catholic church. if not, they aren't.

quote:

Originally posted by Bill Gray:

quote:

Originally posted by b50m:
Don't you think that you should let someone of the church explain?

They worship Jesus as their savior, is that not the requirement for Christianity?

Hi B,

No, they do not worship Jesus Christ as Savior. They worship a man, a created being who is the spirit brother of Lucifer/Satan, and they call him Jesus Christ.

Their Jesus is a totally different person from the Jesus Christ of John 1:1 in the Bible.

And, they do not worship the God of the Bible. They worship a god who was intially a man and then grew into a god -- and their god is one of a committee of gods. The heavens and earth, in Mormonism, was created by the committee of gods.

The Mormon church is a cult church.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

but it all depends on what your definition of the word 'is' is.

quote:

Originally posted by beternU:
Well, thenagel, the LDS teach that a person can receive heavenly blessings even if he/she did none of those things you have listed.

while i mean no disrespect to you, i'm going to wait and see what an acctual mormon says on the issue.
bill claims to have indepth knowledge of hte catholic church, and yet he spews half-truths, misconceptions, and flat out lies about their beliefs and practices. i know because i spent a long long (loooong) time married to a catholic.

i'm not saying you are lying, Beter, i'm saying i'd rather have info from the horses mouth - because when it comes form the other end, like bills "facts" about the catholic church, it always end ups incorrect.

quote:

Originally posted by thenagel:
ya know.. after all the things i've seen incorrectly stated about the catholic church and their beliefs...things i know to be false...
i'm just gonna wait and see if anyone who claims to be mormon wants to answer..

forgive me for not accepting your word, Bet and bill, but if you aren't a member then you don't really know - you only know what someone else has said or written about the LDS peoples.

heresay isn't even admissible in a court, i'm certainly not doing to give it any credence in here.

so.. any mormons wanna address this?
do you believe christ is the son of god, sent here for our salvation, and died to wash away our sins so that we may enter the kingdom of heaven?

if yes, then they are as christian as a baptist or a catholic church. if not, they aren't.

Hearsay is not admissible in court, but when I state something about LDS beliefs, it is not hearsay. I derive what I assert from LDS sources.

I have a substantial library of LDS-published materials that I rely on for my information on that church. Thus I am not relying on what "someone" has said about the LDS; I am relying on wjhat the LDS are saying about the LDS. In addition, there is a wealth of information online from the LDS that substantiates everything I have posted about them.

In discussions with the LDS "elders" who have come to my door, I have consistently found that I know more about their doctrines and the origins of their doctrines than they do. They have often been surprised at things I have pointed out to them from LDS source materials. These "elders" have been given a crash course in LDS proselytizing, but often they do not get very deep in understanding the doctrines of their church and just how those doctrines have evolved.

Yes, let some LDS member(s) come to this discussion and let him/her/them respond to some of the things posted here by non-LDS forum participants. I would welcome such participation and I suspect that what would ensue from that might be an eye-opener for you and others who know little about the LDS cult.

quote:

Originally posted by thenagel:
bill claims to have indepth knowledge of hte catholic church, and yet he spews half-truths, misconceptions, and flat out lies about their beliefs and practices. i know because i spent a long long (loooong) time married to a catholic.

i'm not saying you are lying, Beter, i'm saying i'd rather have info from the horses mouth - because when it comes form the other end, like bills "facts" about the catholic church, it always end ups incorrect.

Hi Nagel,

The things I write about the Mormon church comes from books published by the Mormon church, or The Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints as they prefer to be called.

I have a number of books in my library titled "Teachings of Presidents Of The Church" and one of the books is about the teachings of Joseph Smith.

And, the Joseph Smith book tells us in the Introduction: This book is intended to enhance each member's understanding of gospel principles taught powerfully by President Joseph F. Smith.

I am not trying to smear the Mormon church -- but, when Dwight (COBRA) hits the Religion Forum broadside with his barrage of Mormon teachings from his blog -- I will use the Mormon books and information I have to refute his false teachings.

And, I will have to disagree with you on the Roman Catholic church. I have not said one thing about the Roman Catholic doctrines which is not true -- proven by Scripture.

Nice chatting with you.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

quote:

Originally posted by thenagel:

quote:

Originally posted by beternU:
Well, thenagel, the LDS teach that a person can receive heavenly blessings even if he/she did none of those things you have listed.

while i mean no disrespect to you, i'm going to wait and see what an acctual mormon says on the issue.
bill claims to have indepth knowledge of hte catholic church, and yet he spews half-truths, misconceptions, and flat out lies about their beliefs and practices. i know because i spent a long long (loooong) time married to a catholic.

i'm not saying you are lying, Beter, i'm saying i'd rather have info from the horses mouth - because when it comes form the other end, like bills "facts" about the catholic church, it always end ups incorrect.

thenagel,

Sorry to bore you with this, but the dead horse has been beat to death
many times. It's wrong to lie about anything, much less the bible, There is
no proof in scripture to backup the lies about the catholic church.

Woah dude or dudett, I been LDS. Over 35 years and never heard or taught such a thing. Where did you learn that? Salvation without doing anything? Sounds like you musta learned that from www.kill a mormon for God. Com. Cause yahoo didn't learn it from AN ACTIVE, TEMPLE RECOMMEND HOLDING PRIESTHOOD ORDAINED MEMBER. ONLY THE FACTS MAMM.

quote:

Originally posted by beternU:
thenagel writes:

[QUOTE] so far the only real requirement necessary to be ' christian' seems to be

1- do you believe christ was the son of god, sent here to redeem our sins, and that he died for our salvation?
2- do you accept that salvation with an open heart and ask forgivness of your sins, and ask Christ to guide you forever more?

seems to pretty much cover it. everythign else is just icing on the cake."[QUOTE]

Well, thenagel, the LDS teach that a person can receive heavenly blessings even if he/she did none of those things you have listed. They teach that a Mormon can be baptized in behalf of a deceased person who never believed any of those things you have listed and who never accepted salvation with an open heart and never asked Christ to guide him/her forever more.

Thus, those dead folks, according to Mormon theology, can be saved without any of the prerequisites you list, so long as they are baptized by proxy theough the kind offices of a Mormon stand-in.

Seems to me that you shouldn't be so hasty to endorse, as Christian, a belief system that confers salvation upon those who have not done what YOU consider necessary for salvation.

Woah dude or dudett, I been LDS. Over 35 years and never heard or taught such a thing. Where did you learn that? Salvation without doing anything? Sounds like you musta learned that from www.kill a mormon for God. Com. Cause yahoo didn't learn it from AN ACTIVE, TEMPLE RECOMMEND HOLDING PRIESTHOOD ORDAINED MEMBER. ONLY THE FACTS MAMM.
Dwight

quote:

Originally posted by beternU:
thenagel writes:

[QUOTE] so far the only real requirement necessary to be ' christian' seems to be

1- do you believe christ was the son of god, sent here to redeem our sins, and that he died for our salvation?
2- do you accept that salvation with an open heart and ask forgivness of your sins, and ask Christ to guide you forever more?

seems to pretty much cover it. everythign else is just icing on the cake."[QUOTE]

Well, thenagel, the LDS teach that a person can receive heavenly blessings even if he/she did none of those things you have listed. They teach that a Mormon can be baptized in behalf of a deceased person who never believed any of those things you have listed and who never accepted salvation with an open heart and never asked Christ to guide him/her forever more.

Thus, those dead folks, according to Mormon theology, can be saved without any of the prerequisites you list, so long as they are baptized by proxy theough the kind offices of a Mormon stand-in.

Seems to me that you shouldn't be so hasty to endorse, as Christian, a belief system that confers salvation upon those who have not done what YOU consider necessary for salvation.

Mormons' theology is based on First Century Christianity, not Fourth Century Creeds. For example, the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) views on Baptism, Lay Ministry, the Trinity, Theosis, Grace vs. Works, the Divinity of Jesus Christ comport more closely with Early Christianity than any other denomination. And Mormons’ teenagers have been judged to “top the charts” in Christian Characteristics by a UNC-Chapel Hill study. Read about it here:

http://MormonsAreChristian.blogspot.com

Those who would denigrate the Mormon religion, usually have an ulterior motive. 11 of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were non-Trinitarian Christians. Those who insist on a narrow definition of Christianity are doing our Republic an injustice.

Good post. Welcome to insanity, Bot.

quote:

Originally posted by Bot:
Mormons' theology is based on First Century Christianity, not Fourth Century Creeds. For example, the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) views on Baptism, Lay Ministry, the Trinity, Theosis, Grace vs. Works, the Divinity of Jesus Christ comport more closely with Early Christianity than any other denomination. And Mormons’ teenagers have been judged to “top the charts” in Christian Characteristics by a UNC-Chapel Hill study. Read about it here:

http://MormonsAreChristian.blogspot.com

Those who would denigrate the Mormon religion, usually have an ulterior motive. 11 of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were non-Trinitarian Christians. Those who insist on a narrow definition of Christianity are doing our Republic an injustice.

Hi Bot,

How can the Mormon church be based on any Christianity -- when, it is not a Christian church?

These are things taught in the Mormon church, by Mormon leaders:

"God himself was one as we are not, and is an exalted man. . . I say, if you were to see him today, you would see him like a man in form. . . like yourselves in all the the person, image, and very form as a man. . . He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth" (Joseph Smith, "History of the Church," vol 6, page 305).

Man may become god. "Here then is eternal life. . . to know the only wise and true God; and you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves, an to be kings and priests to God, the same as all gods have done before you. . . To inherit the same power, the same glory and the same exaltation, until you arrive at the station of God" (Joseph Smith, "History of the Church," vol 6, page 306).

"In the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together an concocted a plan to create the world and people it. . . In all congregations when I have preached on the subject of the Deity, it has been the plurality of Gods" (Joseph Smith, Founder and First Prophet, "History of the Church," vol 6, pages 308, 474).

"The appointment of Jesus to be the Savior of the world was contested by one of the other sons of God -- Lucifer. This spirit-brother of Jesus desperately tried to become the Savior of mankind" (Milton R. Hunter, First Council of Seventy, "The Gospel Through The Ages," page 15).

Also, if anyone is interested, Dr. Walter Martin's definitive book on cults, "The Kingdom Of The Cults" has a good section (pages 192 through 259) on the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the Mormons). This was one of my first books on cults added to my personal library.

In the Introduction, Dr. Martin tells us:

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is distinctive among all the religious cults and sects active in the United States in that it has by far the most fascinating history, and one worthy of consideration by all students of religions originating on the American continent.

The Mormons, as they are most commonly called, are divided into two major groups: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints with headquarters in Salt Lake City, Utah; and the Community of Christ (formerly known before the year 2000 as the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints) with headquarters in Independence, Missouri.

From Dr. Martin's Quick Facts about the Mormon church:

The Trinity consists of three gods born in different times and places; the Father begot the Son and Holy Ghost through a goddess wife in heaven.

The earth is one of several inhabited planets ruled over by gods and goddesses, who were at one time humans on other planets. Mormonism is polytheistic in its core.

Salvation is resurrection, but exaltation to godhood, for eternal life in the celestial heavens, must be earned through self-meriting works.

Bot, the Jesus Christ of the Mormon church IS NOT the Jesus Christ of the Bible. Their Jesus is a created being, the spirit-brother of Lucifer/Satan.

They do not worship God, but, a committee of gods. The gods they worship -- were once men -- just like us; and, then through their great works they became gods.

And, you and I can work our way into being Mormon gods and have our own planets, with our own goddess wives (or god husbands) and our own followers. According to the Mormon church -- we can be gods.

The Mormon church is a cult church! Period!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

quote:

The Mormon church is a cult church! Period!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill, if nothing else, you fail to see the irony in this and that makes me laugh out loud.

quote:

Originally posted by C.O.B.R.A.:
Dwight

quote:

Originally posted by beternU:
thenagel writes:

[QUOTE] so far the only real requirement necessary to be ' christian' seems to be

1- do you believe christ was the son of god, sent here to redeem our sins, and that he died for our salvation?
2- do you accept that salvation with an open heart and ask forgivness of your sins, and ask Christ to guide you forever more?

Seems to me that you shouldn't be so hasty to endorse, as Christian, a belief system that confers salvation upon those who have not done what YOU consider necessary for salvation.

dwight....... Hang loose, I've got a call to Donny and marie as we speak.
Helps coming. I think ones a little bit country.

quote:

Originally posted by b50m:

quote:

The Mormon church is a cult church! Period!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill, if nothing else, you fail to see the irony in this and that makes me laugh out loud.

Hi B,

Why is that? Because Dwight IS in a cult church -- is all the more reason to ask God's blessing upon him. Maybe, with enough blessing and conviction from the Holy Spirit -- Dwight will see the error of his religion -- and seek a relationship with the TRUE Jesus Christ.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Bill, let me put it this way.

If I said:
"You are a lying piece of feces but God Bless and have a wonderful day",

Do you feel blessed?

Will donny have on his purple sox?

quote:

Originally posted by Gifted Child:

quote:

Originally posted by C.O.B.R.A.:
Dwight

quote:

Originally posted by beternU:
thenagel writes:

[QUOTE] so far the only real requirement necessary to be ' christian' seems to be

1- do you believe christ was the son of god, sent here to redeem our sins, and that he died for our salvation?
2- do you accept that salvation with an open heart and ask forgivness of your sins, and ask Christ to guide you forever more?

Seems to me that you shouldn't be so hasty to endorse, as Christian, a belief system that confers salvation upon those who have not done what YOU consider necessary for salvation.

dwight....... Hang loose, I've got a call to Donny and marie as we speak.
Helps coming. I think ones a little bit country.

Cult churches?

It has always seemed to me; a cult can always manage for a guiltless, abundance of nookie on demand.

Let me say a few things here. About your debates concerning the RESTORED church of JESUS CHRIST. There is really no reason for me to get involved. Bill has all the answers. But there is a problem. THINGS OF THE SPIRIT CAN ONLY BE UNDERSTOOD BY THE SPIRIT. With that said let me tell a story and have your opinion on it. IT IS A TRUE STORY.
As many of you in here know, I spent twenty years in the Army protecting the idea of America so you could have these bashing sessions. When I was getting ready to retire in 1990 ,I had a mortgage, a car payment on my Lincoln, three boys at home and other bills. I was making two thousand a month. The Saudi Arabic war just started and the post I was stationed at shipped all units over there. The town around the post was closing businesses all over because of no GIs. Basically, no jobs for me when I got out. My pay was dropped from two thousand a month to eight hundred. What did I do? I went out and bought a new car. My X called me an idiot because of all that was going on and I bought a new car. She went and told the church people what an idiot I was and many agreed. So what do you think? Idiot or not.
Now this story has the answer in it as to why I will not "defend " as you call it, the doctrines of JESUS CHRIST'S RESTORED CHURCH. I call it argue about. Jesus spoke in parables for a reason. I have shared this story for a reason. So which is it? Idiot or not?
Dwight

quote:

Originally posted by buffalo:
Cult churches?

It has always seemed to me; a cult can always manage for a guiltless, abundance of nookie on demand.

I just got on here and went to the last post and this is what I got.

Hilarious! I am still laughing. Ok Buffalo, I am letting you out of the barn and back on the sweet feed.

quote:

Originally posted by C.O.B.R.A.:
Let me say a few things here. About your debates concerning the RESTORED church of JESUS CHRIST. There is really no reason for me to get involved. Bill has all the answers. But there is a problem. THINGS OF THE SPIRIT CAN ONLY BE UNDERSTOOD BY THE SPIRIT.

Hi Dwight,

Many of us served in the military; and, I got out during a very bad recession. So, I do understand how you felt. However, that is beside the point.

Let's get back to the real gist of the discussion. You say you WILL NOT answer -- for you are waiting for the Holy Spirit to tell you what to say.

Well, guess what, my Friend -- He has already. It is called the Bible and it contains His full revelation for us. However, it does not contain your Mormon false teachings -- and, therein lies the problem -- why you will not respond.

What you want to do is to write long diatribes such as on your Cherokee Blog for others to read -- but, you do not want to discuss issues.

Why? Because you cannot. You just want to preach -- but, not teach. For teaching implies a two way dialogue -- and you cannot do that -- for your Mormon doctrines will not stand up under the scrutiny.

Okay, we all understand. You are in a cult church and have no answers when it is compared to Scripture. I am truly sorry that you do not believe enough in what you write to defend it.

In 1 Peter 3:15 we are told, "But sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence."

The "hope that is in Christian believers" is the coming return of Jesus Christ. But, of course, you do not believe in Jesus Christ -- so, there is no hope there for you. You cannot defend the hope you do not have. Sad. But, there is always times, as long as you are still breathing -- to turn and follow the real Jesus Christ and find true salvation. Then, you will have hope to defend.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

quote:

Originally posted by b50m:
Bill, let me put it this way.

If I said:
"You are a lying piece of feces but God Bless and have a wonderful day",

Do you feel blessed?

You hit the nail right on the head!!!

quote:

Originally posted by C.O.B.R.A.:
no jobs for me when I got out. My pay was dropped from two thousand a month to eight hundred. What did I do? I went out and bought a new car. My X called me an idiot because of all that was going on and I bought a new car. She went and told the church people what an idiot I was and many agreed. So what do you think? Idiot or not.
I have shared this story for a reason. So which is it? Idiot or not?
Dwight

My answer would be not. My guess is that you paid cash from money you had saved up.

What business was it of your ex or the church what you bought & why?
I would have told them to kiss my butt, & I'm using the nicer word.

Wow Bill, you put something there that isn't any where in my post. No where have I said im waiting for the spirit to tell me what to say. I said things of the spirit can only be understood by the spirit. Meaning, the things you keep challenging me on are spiritual matters and can only be understood by one that has the Spirit of The Lord with them. That Bill is why I will not discuss it with you. You wouldn't understand the truth in my answers. You " LEAN UNTO YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING ". If you keep that same attitude, you will never understand or be able to decern things of the Spirit of God. Bill, there is a difference between being full of facts and understanding what it is you really have. Hence, things of the Spirit of God can only be understood by having the Spirit of God in you.

But back to my story, which is it? Idiot or not?

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

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Originally posted by C.O.B.R.A.:
Let me say a few things here. About your debates concerning the RESTORED church of JESUS CHRIST. There is really no reason for me to get involved. Bill has all the answers. But there is a problem. THINGS OF THE SPIRIT CAN ONLY BE UNDERSTOOD BY THE SPIRIT.

Hi Dwight,

Many of us served in the military; and, I got out during a very bad recession. So, I do understand how you felt. However, that is beside the point.

Let's get back to the real gist of the discussion. You say you WILL NOT answer -- for you are waiting for the Holy Spirit to tell you what to say.

Well, guess what, my Friend -- He has already. It is called the Bible and it contains His full revelation for us. However, it does not contain your Mormon false teachings -- and, therein lies the problem -- why you will not respond.

What you want to do is to write long diatribes such as on your Cherokee Blog for others to read -- but, you do not want to discuss issues.

Why? Because you cannot. You just want to preach -- but, not teach. For teaching implies a two way dialogue -- and you cannot do that -- for your Mormon doctrines will not stand up under the scrutiny.

Okay, we all understand. You are in a cult church and have no answers when it is compared to Scripture. I am truly sorry that you do not believe enough in what you write to defend it.

In 1 Peter 3:15 we are told, "But sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence."

The "hope that is in Christian believers" is the coming return of Jesus Christ. But, of course, you do not believe in Jesus Christ -- so, there is no hope there for you. You cannot defend the hope you do not have. Sad. But, there is always times, as long as you are still breathing -- to turn and follow the real Jesus Christ and find true salvation. Then, you will have hope to defend.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Very close , you I would share with.

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Originally posted by semiannualchick:

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Originally posted by C.O.B.R.A.:
no jobs for me when I got out. My pay was dropped from two thousand a month to eight hundred. What did I do? I went out and bought a new car. My X called me an idiot because of all that was going on and I bought a new car. She went and told the church people what an idiot I was and many agreed. So what do you think? Idiot or not.
I have shared this story for a reason. So which is it? Idiot or not?
Dwight

My answer would be not. My guess is that you paid cash from money you had saved up.

What business was it of your ex or the church what you bought & why?
I would have told them to kiss my butt, & I'm using the nicer word.

Bill,

Are you sure you aren't Bill Keller. You are using his talking points. Please read the following information and debate with facts not fantasy:

http://MormonsAreChristian.blogspot.com

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Originally posted by Bot:
Bill,

Are you sure you aren't Bill Keller. You are using his talking points. Please read the following information and debate with facts not fantasy:

http://MormonsAreChristian.blogspot.com

Hi Bot,

No, I can assure you that I am not Bill Keller. For one thing we live on opposite coasts. I live in California and he lives in Florida.

I have seen him a couple of times on television -- but, have never read his books or writings.

I guess the similarity is because we both base our beliefs and our teachings upon Scripture.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill