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According to the comments on FB, the "Christians" of Russellville, Al. is furious at whoever reported this to FFRF. I'm sure they would hang him/her from the nearest tree if they knew who it was. They would pour out some of that Bible Belt Franklin County Redneck Justice!   

 

FFRF complains baptisms on RHS football field were “unconstitutional”

Published 6:52pm Thursday, October 23, 2014

    

Officials with the Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) sent a letter of complaint to Russellville City Schools on Thursday citing “constitutional violations” due to recent baptisms that took place on one of the Russellville football practice fields. 

According to the FFRF, they were contacted by a “concerned local resident” who alerted them to the baptisms that occurred on Oct. 2 that were documented on social media accounts, including the Twitter account for Russellville head football coach and athletic director Mark Heaton. 

Franklin County Times.

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Originally Posted by Kate Colombo:

Just to clarify, the title of this post is incorrect. The baptisms took place behind the baseball field, but still on school property. 

BTW, how far away from Franklin County does one have to live to lose his/her "redneckness?"

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Ms. FirenzeVeritas, Just to clarify, notice what the title says! “baptisms on RHS football field”. Get your facts straight before you post.

 

http://www.franklincountytimes...re-unconstitutional/

 

 

Bighoss  October 24, 2014 at 9:42 pm

Such activity has no legitimate place on a public school campus.

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In that same link, Claudia Mott made the statement that FFRF is beginning to sound like Shiite Muslims in there own country that kill anyone not of their persuasion. That’s a terrible statement to make & just after this, Claudia Mott made sure to let people know she’s a Christian, “a Follower of Jesus Christ son of God, blood born again”? Yeah, right. I guess that’s supposed to impress someone? Doesn’t sound very Christian to me, but then again the majority of Christians are vindictive against those that doesn’t agree with the “Christian way”.

 

There's a new FB page made Thursday in support of what went on. The vindictive mentality that comes across in those post is very sad, especially considering the people posting refer to themselves as “Christians”. These people in Franklin County are tickled to death that Rick and Bubba (Redneck Radio Show) discussed this on their show because they are “the epitome of what's right and just in America”...........Say what!?!

I saw another post from a “Christian” that said she “pray no one from this group, (FFRF) comes into her area. That people will not back down to the pressures of the people who are complaining". Wonder what she would want done to them? Beaten? Killed? Does that sound somewhat vindictive to any of you?

Semi, I'm actually Marie Antoinette. Please be serious. If you don't insult people, they won't insult you. Besides I've seen you accuse at least three others. Maybe I'm really Bill Gray? Yep. That's who I am.

 

Second, the Russellville school board has stated the baptisms were not on the football field, but behind the baseball field. I assume they have more info than you or the TD.

Chick, you taking major liberties regarding what you think these people "would do if".  Care to provide some facts to back up your ridiculous thoughts?

 

You used "hang them", "beaten", and "killed".  To my knowledge, I have never heard of any Christian in Russellville doing these things.

 

If you really want to see what vindictive looks like, reread your posts; they are about as vindictive as they come.

The school system representatives maintain that the federal Equal Access Law legitimizes the performance of a religious rite on public school property by a non-chap[lain "youth pastor."

 

They are wrong.

 

The Equal Access Law, in pertinent part, reads thusly:

 

(c) Fair opportunity criteria

 

Schools shall be deemed to offer a fair opportunity to students who wish to conduct a meeting within its limited open forum if such school uniformly provides that—

 

(1) the meeting is voluntary and student-initiated;

 

(2) there is no sponsorship of the meeting by the school, the government, or its agents or employees;

 

(3) employees or agents of the school or government are present at religious meetings only in a nonparticipatory capacity;

 

(4) the meeting does not materially and substantially interfere with the orderly conduct of educational activities within the school; and

 

(5) nonschool persons may not direct, conduct, control, or regularly attend activities of student groups.>>>>

 

Russellville school authorities have publicly stated that the "youth pastor" who presided at these baptisms is NOT a team "chaplain". He is not employed in any official capacity by the school system. He is thus, without question, a "nonschool person." This "youth pastor" volunteers in various non-religious ways to assist the football team. Among other things, he and some other "pastors" paint lines on the football field before games. That in no way alters his status as a "nonschool person." It is indisputable that he, as a "youth pastor" presided over the conduct of a religious rite on a public school property in the company of students of that school (a "student group", assuming that the hastily organized ad hoc baptismal assemblage meets the Act's definition of "student group,"which is questionable). Irrespective of whether persons assembled constituted a "student group," his action violates the prohibition of (c)(5), above. The school is thus deficient in that it has NOT "uniformly provid[ed] that nonschool persons may not direct, conduct, control, or regularly attend activities of student groups.>>>>

 

That the "non-chaplain "youth pastor" is a "private citizen" is not relevant to this case. The criterion of (c)(5) applies irrespective of his status as a "private citizen."

In that same link, Claudia Mott made the statement that FFRF is beginning to sound like Shiite Muslims in there own country that kill anyone not of their persuasion. That’s a terrible statement to make & just after this, Claudia Mott made sure to let people know she’s a Christian, “a Follower of Jesus Christ son of God, blood born again”? Yeah, right. I guess that’s supposed to impress someone? Doesn’t sound very Christian to me, but then again the majority of Christians are vindictive against those that doesn’t agree with the “Christian way”.

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Wonder what claudia thinks of public school systems in this country working with muslims to make our schools more 'muslim friendly'? I'd say she has no idea it's even happening and thinks her only concern in that area are those atheists trying to take her gawd out of schools.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Wonder what claudia thinks of public school systems in this country working with muslims to make our schools more 'muslim friendly'? I'd say she has no idea it's even happening and thinks her only concern in that area are those atheists trying to take her gawd out of schools.

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Welcome to the Franklin County Bible Belt. Those people have the "talk" down pat.

From Contendah:

 

That the "non-chaplain "youth pastor" is a "private citizen" is not relevant to this case. The criterion of (c)(5) applies irrespective of his status as a "private citizen."

 

I totally agree; however, it seems the FFRF also objects to teacher profiles which list religious preference or say that religion is important to them. If this is to be censored, such teachers should not be allowed to say they are Alabama or Auburn fans. Wonder if any do now. They may find a protest coming over that also.

Originally Posted by Kate Colombo:

From Contendah:

 

That the "non-chaplain "youth pastor" is a "private citizen" is not relevant to this case. The criterion of (c)(5) applies irrespective of his status as a "private citizen."

 

I totally agree; however, it seems the FFRF also objects to teacher profiles which list religious preference or say that religion is important to them. If this is to be censored, such teachers should not be allowed to say they are Alabama or Auburn fans. Wonder if any do now. They may find a protest coming over that also.

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Kate,  There are not any laws governing what a public school teacher or administrator might or might not say or write concerning  allegiance to organized sports teams.  There are, however, laws defining what they may permissibly say, while acting in their official capacities, about matters of religion, the chiefest of these being the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment of the United States Constitution.  I write this while acknowledging that in Alabama, loyalty to a particular college football team sometimes becomes so feverish, so intense, and so all-compelling  that it comes close to being religious in nature. 

Last edited by Contendah
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

 I write this while acknowledging that in Alabama, loyalty to a particular college football team sometimes becomes so feverish, so intense, and so all-compelling  that it comes close to being religious in nature. 

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If you think it's only Alabama, or the South, you need to get out more.

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I have lived  in seven states and I can say with confidence that the football fanaticism in Alabama outstrips that of any of the other six.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

I have lived  in seven states and I can say with confidence that the football fanaticism in Alabama outstrips that of any of the other six.

 

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I don't care how many states you've lived in, you're posting BS.

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YOU live in a state of resolute, determined obnoxiousness, Best. It is your natural habitat.

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