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BArbour is an excellent governor in the State of Mississippi, and as someone who was born and raised there, I still have family connections there. They are all happy with him, and I have heard nothing bad about him. I am sure however that the leftists are planning a hit on him, since they are scared he will be one of those considered as a potential candidate for GOP Presidential nominee. Hence, the Palin reference in your thread.
I'm not as pleased with Hailey as you seems to be.
From my point of view, very little has changed in Ms due to his leadership, but that is not my problem with him as Gov. My problem is that he was (and I believe at heart still is) a tobacco lobbyist. That was manifested when he vetoed a bill to raise the taxes on cigarettes (Ms has some of the cheapest in the nation), and drop the state sales taxes on groceries (groceries are only taxed in 3 states, Ms, La and guess which other).
Other than that, I fail to see much difference in the status of everyday Mississippians.
Ms still at the bottom of the pile in virtually everything measured, although sometimes it is fighting for bottom with Alabama. It seemed he got a lot done for the Gulf Coast after Katrina, but a lot of that federal money went to corporations .
In short, he is just a rich kid who made good, but I fail to see what he has done to raise the living standard of the people of "The Great Sovereign State of Mississippi" (can you guess who that is a quote from ? )
He weathered (excuse the pun) thru the Hurricane disaster that crippled New Orleans and made the government rescue efforts look like a chinese fire drill. He organized and orchestrated an excellent response to that disaster which was far worse than what occurred in New Orleans, yet you heard very little complaints of mismanagement coming from the MS crowd. He has succeeded in rebuilding Jackson MS back from the crumbling city of decay and crime it was becoming and turned it into a place where people are not afraid to live.
He has attempted to lower the grocery tax. Property taxes remain low allowing people who have nothing but the land left to them by their fathers and mothers to keep it without having to sell it or lose it to the state. That is a pretty good exchange for having to pay a little in grocery taxes. They will always struggle with being in the bottom tier of education, but it is not for lack of facilities or teachers. I have seen and know both, and they are more than sufficent for the clientele they serve.
As bad as you think MS may be, it is still a jewel of the south. it is affordable to live there. They have managed to stimulate parts of the economy with casinos, and do it tastefully.
Barbour is doing well with the hand he has been dealt. The standard of living you refer to is certainly subjective, but for the ones I know who live there, they are better off than they were 20 years ago.
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Both Mr. Mott and Mr. Kelly had told me that Yazoo City was perhaps the only municipality in Mississippi that managed to integrate the schools without violence. I asked Haley Barbour why he thought that was so.

“Because the business community wouldn’t stand for it,” he said. “You heard of the Citizens Councils? Up north they think it was like the KKK. Where I come from it was an organization of town leaders. In Yazoo City they passed a resolution that said anybody who started a chapter of the Klan would get their ass run out of town. If you had a job, you’d lose it. If you had a store, they’d see nobody shopped there. We didn’t have a problem with the Klan in Yazoo City.”


The Citizens Councils were groups intent on maintaining segregation. A couple selections from their newsletter:




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The Citizens’ Council is the South’s answer to the mongrelizers. We will not be integrated. We are proud of our white blood and our white heritage of sixty centuries.
Well, I don't think Mississippi is all that bad a place to live, could be someday I may live there again myself.
Like I said, I think he did respond to the Katrina event well, but to compare a 1 day hurricane event (which Miss gets from time to time) to a several month flood which had not happened before in NO is a bit unfair. (not to take up for the way it was handled- horrible ! )
My disagreement with you is that I don't believe Hailey has done all that much to improve Ms. The big gains in that state are as a result of the enormous revenue gains from the casinos , a blessing he inherited.
Having said all that, he is by far better than the lying ******* we have for a governor here in Al, but that wouldn't take much.

Would he make a good president-- from the crop that looks like the Republicans have who may run right now, he's probably as good as any, better than Palin, but again, that dosen't take much.
Juan,
You don't have a clue to what you are talking about. Barbour is right. Some communities were like that. That would not allow the open hostility of the KKK to run rampant. My dad hated the KKK for what it was, but we knew plenty of neighbors and acquaintances who were either members or supported what was going on. It was certainly no bed of roses that is for sure, and each and every community did what they had to do to survive. In my community, where the three civil rights workers were killed, the US Army basically invaded the community, set up shop at a local church, and manage to violate everyone's civil rights, including those who had nothing to do with what happened. BTW, they treated the blacks as bad or worse than any of the locals. This flippant attitude toward those who actually loved and supported the blacks in the area did a lot to drive a wedge deeper between the races. Luckily for me, my father was a good christian man who loved everyone and would help them if they needed it, but to this day he does not trust the federal government to do right by those it is suppose to serve.
seeweed, the one day hurricane you speak of did as much or more damage with more lives probably lost in the MS region than in New Orleans. For up to four weeks post-hurricane my parents who lived 150 miles inland were without certain amentities. My uncle died due to a lack of blood products at the hospital. Yet, people were not out in the streets looting, shooting at cops, and making unrealistic demands on the rescuers. Barbour did almost everything right in that situation, and because of it, he gained a tremendous amount of respect not only from the public, but from fellow governors. He is not the spoiled rich kid he is being made out to be. Personally, I hope he does not run for POTUS. It would be a waste of his reputation and resources to do so. But, you are right, he would be 100 times better than anything out there currently.
BTW, Juan....keep thinking the way you do, and stay the heck out of MS. I want to return there when I retire, and goodness knows we don't need any more headaches there.... Wink
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Originally posted by JuanHunt:
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Both Mr. Mott and Mr. Kelly had told me that Yazoo City was perhaps the only municipality in Mississippi that managed to integrate the schools without violence. I asked Haley Barbour why he thought that was so.

“Because the business community wouldn’t stand for it,” he said. “You heard of the Citizens Councils? Up north they think it was like the KKK. Where I come from it was an organization of town leaders. In Yazoo City they passed a resolution that said anybody who started a chapter of the Klan would get their ass run out of town. If you had a job, you’d lose it. If you had a store, they’d see nobody shopped there. We didn’t have a problem with the Klan in Yazoo City.”


The Citizens Councils were groups intent on maintaining segregation. A couple selections from their newsletter:




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The Citizens’ Council is the South’s answer to the mongrelizers. We will not be integrated. We are proud of our white blood and our white heritage of sixty centuries.
Care to post a link and a date of that newsletter? hummmmmmm Since Garett was born in 1894 and died in 1973 it would help to know when the article was written.
"The institutional roots of racism, which depersonalize our prejudices and make it easier for us to defend them," said Ribicoff, "are as deeply embedded in the large metropolitan communities of the North as they are in the small rural communities of the South." He cited Government studies that show that nearly half of all black students outside the South attend schools that are more than 95% black (compared with more than 70% in the South). Added Ribicoff: "If Senator John Stennis of Mississippi wants to make honest men of us Northern liberals, I think we should help him." The basic cause of Northern segregation, Ribicoff argues, is that "we have segregated our society and our neighborhoods. Black migrants in the cities were trapped in poverty because the whites who fled to the suburbs took the jobs with them and then closed the door on the black man." The only long-range solution to school segregation in Northern cities, he suggested, is to provide jobs and housing for blacks in the now white suburbs.

http://www.time.com/time/magaz...,9171,876609,00.html
Dec. 21, 2010

GOV. BARBOUR'S STATEMENT REGARDING WEEKLY STANDARD ARTICLE

"When asked why my hometown in Mississippi did not suffer the same racial violence when I was a young man that accompanied other towns' integration efforts, I accurately said the community leadership wouldn't tolerate it and helped prevent violence there. My point was my town rejected the Ku Klux Klan, but nobody should construe that to mean I think the town leadership were saints, either. Their vehicle, called the 'Citizens Council,' is totally indefensible, as is segregation. It was a difficult and painful era for Mississippi, the rest of the country, and especially African Americans who were persecuted in that time."
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I posted Barbours words, they dont require any additional credibility.

I cant believe you simpletons dont recognize that Barbour is trying to walkback his comments, typical for a politician when confronted with their unadulterated opinion.

Barbour has no chance to be President, but a good chance to be RNC chairman. Then the robes will come out of the closet.
I cant believe you dont know how to use the Google.

Barbours quote is from this article
http://www.weeklystandard.com/...y_523551.html?page=3

The image depicts an excerpt from the Citzens Council newsletter, the group being praised by Barbour for their involvement in easing the racial tensions in Yazoo City, by denying racial equality and preserving segregation. As the excerpt says:

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"The equalitarian dogma, at best, represents a sincere if misguided effort to help the Negro by ignoring or even suppressing evidence of his mental and social immaturity. At worst, the equalitarian dogma is the scientific hoax of the century."
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
I think I know how to google, I do it and refute your half-truths all the time. I can't believe you think you can post those half-truths without being called on them.


How can I portray it any simpler....the ancient article depicted in the image is from the group Barbour is claiming to have been a positive influence in segregated Yazoo City. There are nothing but truths, quotes from Barbour himself.
You don't want to portray it clearly. You deal in half-truths, deception and spin. So again:

Dec. 21, 2010

GOV. BARBOUR'S STATEMENT REGARDING WEEKLY STANDARD ARTICLE

"When asked why my hometown in Mississippi did not suffer the same racial violence when I was a young man that accompanied other towns' integration efforts, I accurately said the community leadership wouldn't tolerate it and helped prevent violence there. My point was my town rejected the Ku Klux Klan, but nobody should construe that to mean I think the town leadership were saints, either. Their vehicle, called the 'Citizens Council,' is totally indefensible, as is segregation. It was a difficult and painful era for Mississippi, the rest of the country, and especially African Americans who were persecuted in that time."
So, by your standards, IF I grew up in Mississippi, I could hate everything the Klan stood for, but if I sided with a group who prevented the Klan from killing and abusing those which they hated, I would be ****ed for my actions?
You are doing nothing except supporting the liberal agenda who is trying to dig up dirt on a man who is doing his best to help his state and his constiuents. They are trying to drag up racial issues that took place a quarter of century ago and make them relevant today. Mississippi is a different place than it was in the 1960's, despite what the Huffington Post and other liberal media outlets would depict.
Possibly Forrest went on to become Grand Wizard, the Klan's national leader.[25][26]


Nathan Bedford Forrest In an 1868 newspaper interview, Forrest stated that the Klan's primary opposition was to the Loyal Leagues, Republican state governments, people like Tennessee governor Brownlow and other carpetbaggers and scalawags. He argued that many southerners believed that blacks were voting for the Republican Party because they were being hoodwinked by the Loyal Leagues.[27] One Alabama newspaper editor declared "The League is nothing more than a ****** Ku Klux Klan."[28]
Historian Eric Foner observed:

In effect, the Klan was a military force serving the interests of the Democratic party, the planter class, and all those who desired restoration of white supremacy. Its purposes were political, but political in the broadest sense, for it sought to affect power relations, both public and private, throughout Southern society. It aimed to reverse the interlocking changes sweeping over the South during Reconstruction: to destroy the Republican party's infrastructure, undermine the Reconstruction state, reestablish control of the black labor force, and restore racial subordination in every aspect of Southern life
To that end they worked to curb the education, economic advancement, voting rights, and right to keep and bear arms of blacks.[30] The Ku Klux Klan soon spread into nearly every southern state, launching a "reign of terror against Republican leaders both black and white. Those political leaders assassinated during the campaign included Arkansas Congressman James M. Hinds, three members of the South Carolina legislature, and several men who served in constitutional conventions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan
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Originally posted by teyates:
So, by your standards, IF I grew up in Mississippi, I could hate everything the Klan stood for, but if I sided with a group who prevented the Klan from killing and abusing those which they hated, I would be ****ed for my actions?
You are doing nothing except supporting the liberal agenda who is trying to dig up dirt on a man who is doing his best to help his state and his constiuents. They are trying to drag up racial issues that took place a quarter of century ago and make them relevant today. Mississippi is a different place than it was in the 1960's, despite what the Huffington Post and other liberal media outlets would depict.
Ah, but old juan would have us overlook all of obama's shady friends.
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Originally posted by teyates:
So, by your standards, IF I grew up in Mississippi, I could hate everything the Klan stood for, but if I sided with a group who prevented the Klan from killing and abusing those which they hated, I would be ****ed for my actions?
You are doing nothing except supporting the liberal agenda who is trying to dig up dirt on a man who is doing his best to help his state and his constiuents. They are trying to drag up racial issues that took place a quarter of century ago and make them relevant today. Mississippi is a different place than it was in the 1960's, despite what the Huffington Post and other liberal media outlets would depict.


I am sure that by enforcing segregation, they were doing the Negros a favor...not lynching them was just like giving them civil rights.

Stay in MS you ignorant redneck...
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Stay in MS you ignorant redneck...

Juan, YOU are one of the most ignorant people I have ever seen. You weave stories out of thin air, you deceive, spin, and sometimes lie outright. You wish we were ignorant rednecks, so we wouldn't call YOU on your bullshyt. Then when you are backed into a corner for your deceptions you resort to the name calling. As I said earlier, you have ZERO credibility.
I have no tolerance for those that would try to absolve the segregationists of their sins. By my standard, anyone that does is an ignorant redneck, and there are still to many of them in the ol South. Barbour is among that group. his political career is complete at Governor. Good riddance.

Fortunately, your opinion has ZERO impact on me, and the rest of the educated world.
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Originally posted by JuanHunt:
I have no tolerance for those that would try to absolve the segregationists of their sins. By my standard, anyone that does is an ignorant redneck, and there are still to many of them in the ol South. Barbour is among that group. his political career is complete at Governor. Good riddance.

Fortunately, your opinion has ZERO impact on me, and the rest of the educated world.
Ahhhhhhhh poor thing, you're just missing old KKK Byrd aren't you?

Posted Wednesday, June 30, 2010, at 7:04 PM ET

The late Sen. Robert C. ByrdRobert Byrd, the longest-serving senator in U.S. history, died Monday at 92. While he was most famous as a master of the Senate's obscure rules, Byrd wore many hats during his lifetime, including that of Exalted Cyclops in the Ku Klux Klan. What are the job responsibilities of an Exalted Cyclops?

He presides over the Council of the Centaurs and writes quarterly reports to the Grand Giant. In the Klan hierarchy, each local chapter, or Klavern, is led by an Exalted Cyclops. This member is typically elected by his fellow Klansmen and serves a one-year term. According to the original 1867 Prescript of the Ku Klux Klan, the Exalted Cyclops reports to a Grand Giant, or provincial leader; a Grand Dragon, or state director; and the Grand Wizard, or national chair. Below the Cyclops on the org chart were the Grand Magi, the Grand Monk, the Grand Exchequer, the Grand Turk, and, finally, the rank-and-file members known as Ghouls or Knights. (Many of these titles have changed over time, and most of the sub-Cyclops ranks have been eliminated.) The Exalted Cyclops' responsibilities include presiding over Klavern meetings, initiating new members, and appointing Councils of Centaurs—that's Klan-speak for a jury—to try and punish wayward Ghouls.
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I have no tolerance for those that would try to absolve the segregationists of their sins. By my standard, anyone that does is an ignorant redneck, and there are still to many of them in the ol South. Barbour is among that group. his political career is complete at Governor. Good riddance.

Fortunately, your opinion has ZERO impact on me, and the rest of the educated world.

Apparently your idea of intellect and the rest of the world's are two different things. And your standards seem a bit low to me. I think you know you aren't dealing with ignorant rednecks and that's what chaps your a**. You aren't quite the big yankee fish you fancied yourself to be.
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Originally posted by JuanHunt:
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Originally posted by teyates:
So, by your standards, IF I grew up in Mississippi, I could hate everything the Klan stood for, but if I sided with a group who prevented the Klan from killing and abusing those which they hated, I would be ****ed for my actions?
You are doing nothing except supporting the liberal agenda who is trying to dig up dirt on a man who is doing his best to help his state and his constiuents. They are trying to drag up racial issues that took place a quarter of century ago and make them relevant today. Mississippi is a different place than it was in the 1960's, despite what the Huffington Post and other liberal media outlets would depict.


I am sure that by enforcing segregation, they were doing the Negros a favor...not lynching them was just like giving them civil rights.

Stay in MS you ignorant redneck...


Yeah, I am an ignorant redneck.....you don't have a clue what the hell you are talking about. I grew up in segregation, and yet I never saw the atrocities you THINK were committed by ALL of the whitebread cracker rednecks you think lived there.
Just because people were trying to keep folks from being killed and killing others they were nothing but redneck racists by your accounts, huh Juan?
You are a sick twisted individual who does not have a clue what he is talking about, yet you sit behind your computer everyday and try to tell others how to live.
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
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Originally posted by JuanHunt:
I have no tolerance for those that would try to absolve the segregationists of their sins. By my standard, anyone that does is an ignorant redneck, and there are still to many of them in the ol South. Barbour is among that group. his political career is complete at Governor. Good riddance.

Fortunately, your opinion has ZERO impact on me, and the rest of the educated world.
Ahhhhhhhh poor thing, you're just missing old KKK Byrd aren't you?

Posted Wednesday, June 30, 2010, at 7:04 PM ET

The late Sen. Robert C. ByrdRobert Byrd, the longest-serving senator in U.S. history, died Monday at 92. While he was most famous as a master of the Senate's obscure rules, Byrd wore many hats during his lifetime, including that of Exalted Cyclops in the Ku Klux Klan. What are the job responsibilities of an Exalted Cyclops?

He presides over the Council of the Centaurs and writes quarterly reports to the Grand Giant. In the Klan hierarchy, each local chapter, or Klavern, is led by an Exalted Cyclops. This member is typically elected by his fellow Klansmen and serves a one-year term. According to the original 1867 Prescript of the Ku Klux Klan, the Exalted Cyclops reports to a Grand Giant, or provincial leader; a Grand Dragon, or state director; and the Grand Wizard, or national chair. Below the Cyclops on the org chart were the Grand Magi, the Grand Monk, the Grand Exchequer, the Grand Turk, and, finally, the rank-and-file members known as Ghouls or Knights. (Many of these titles have changed over time, and most of the sub-Cyclops ranks have been eliminated.) The Exalted Cyclops' responsibilities include presiding over Klavern meetings, initiating new members, and appointing Councils of Centaurs—that's Klan-speak for a jury—to try and punish wayward Ghouls.


I have no affection for Dems in general, or Byrd specifically. I am probably more conservative than you, but I refuse to let RINOs assuage that commitment, so, to that end I find myself constantly disappointed by the Repub/RINO pols and take every opportunity to ridicule them. Go ahead and vote for Jeb, or Palin, or Huckleberry and you will be rewarded with another admin like the last 10.
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I have no affection for Dems in general, or Byrd specifically. I am probably more conservative than you, but I refuse to let RINOs assuage that commitment, so, to that end I find myself constantly disappointed by the Repub/RINO pols and take every opportunity to ridicule them. Go ahead and vote for Jeb, or Palin, or Huckleberry and you will be rewarded with another admin like the last 10.

I wonder why I don't believe that. You walk, talk, post, breathe, eat, the demo line. And pal, while there is nothing wrong with the Republican lineup you mentioned I will still say this, ANYTHING is better than the train wreck in office now.
JuanHunt
Everybody Knows My Name

Posted 02 December 2010 05:53 PM
The RepubTeaCons praised the Irish economy for its low corporate tax rate and said that if the U.S. would just follow suit, companies would “be able to create jobs, increase business, make more investments. They proclaimed that Ireland’s low tax rates were a shining, successful model of conservatism in action.

Cato Institute said:

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More recently, Ireland established a flat 12.5 percent tax rate on all corporations — one of the lowest rates in the world, and just one-third of the U.S. rate. Low business tax rates have helped Ireland attract huge inflows of foreign investment.



Now, Ireland is bankrupt, so that too must be the result of the low tax rates. It was good for companies like Google the use Irish tax law to skirt US income tax such that they only pay about 3% on their annual earnings.
Isn't McCain Irish???

JuanHunt
Everybody Knows My Name

Posted 07 December 2010 08:08 PM Hide Post
No one will tolerate the cuts necessary to balance the budget, or even get close. The TEA party cabal is not willing to compromise their Medicare Part D entitlement much less the limitation of their primary care. This all talk, and there will be no changes. Pols have to get elected, which means earmarks have to continue and favor have to be repaid. Look back at news reports from the 1980s and you will see exactly the same rhetoric. Everything new is old, again.



I can keep doing this but to what end, everyone knows exactly what you are. You're a democratic attack dog and no lie is to ridiculous for you post or use to start a thread. Why don't you post two examples where you lambast democrats.

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