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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
You say "bush lied about the war". What did he "lie" about? WMD's, everybody (too include your buddies on the left) believed Iraq had WMD's and you know it's a **** lie to say otherwise. Were mistakes made in Iraq? Of course there were. In hind site we could have:
1. Not disbanded the Iraqi military
2. Better expectations of the "insurgent" problem (should have went in with more troops at first)
I'm sure if the President had a crystal ball, before the war, he would have covered these things. Unfortunately, he doesn't have one. So you go on with your "Bush Lied" line. Just remember that your left leaning buddies had the same intel that the President had and they voted for the war too.

I cannot speak for others, but I SAY that Bush Lied about the war in Iraq before the 2000 election by NOT saying that he was going to "solve" the Saddam Hussain problem by invading Iraq. It was on the top of his agenda by the time he was sworn in. It was a goal for at least three years before he was sworn in, and he not only never mentioned regime change in Iraq in the Campaign, HE SAID HE WAS NOT INTERESTED IN NATION BUILDING.

THAT WAS A LIE.

He cooked the books on the intell regarding Iraq, and said that he would wait for the inspectors to finish searching before deciding to invade. THEN he cooked up a tall tale about mushroom clouds and an Iraqi Nuclear Weapons Program that did not exist to create a sense of urgency to INVADE Iraq before the UN had an opportunity to lift or modify the sanctions that were starving Iraq's economy. I say that was a LIE.

I say that telling War Planners in the Pentagon to find a way to accomplish the "mission" of regime change with 35 thousand troops, and then rejecting their force level of half a million was incompetence in support of the LIE that the Iraqi people would welcome an invasion with Roses and parades.

IF YOU LIVE IN DENIAL, YOU BETTER HAVE A BOAT, AND AN ADDRESS IN EGYPT.


How did he "cook the books that your left eaning buddies looked at? No matter how you spin it, the Dems voted for the **** war and there isn't a **** thing you can do about it. The reason we went in with the smaller force can be laid directly at the feet of Rumsfelds feet. He had the mistaken impression that the Iraqi's would be able to pickup the country on their own after Saddam was gone. It sucks not to have the 20/20 vision that hindsight has when you are making the decisions in real time. The president wasn't interested in nation building, just as you said. He has said on more than one occasion that Iraq is not the fight now that we expected at first. However, it is the fight we are dealing with now and we have to see it through to the end. Besides, you can think everything he has ever said is a lie if you want. You already have that preconceived notion and nothing anybody else says or does is going to change that. I will, however, jump in any time I feel like you are distorting the facts on any subject so that others aren't lead astray by the deception.


Southern Patriot, you have to be aware of the investigations of the "intelligence failures."
Bush Cooked the books by NOT INCLUDING the caveats with the Intell. The Wilson mission to verify or negate the yellowcake deal was a caveat. Wilson found no evidence of the deal. Bush still announced the deal was either struck or negotiatiated. That is COOKING THE BOOKS. The Weapons inspectors interim reports said no WMD, they were there to verify or negate the presence of WMD...they were negating and Bush told them to get out of the country, and the US army would find and destroy the WMD. There was no WMD. That is COOKING THE BOOKS. Bush said Hussain support for Palestinian Terrorists was proof that Hussain supported Al Qaeda, if not a lie, that was at least not the conclusion that the CIA, Massad, MI 5 and the renamed KGB had come to. That is COOKING THE BOOKS.

Fact, Hussain used poison gas in the Iraq Iran war. Falacy, Hussain had poison gas in his arsenal.
Fact, Iraq had a stalled nuclear power program. Fallacy, Iraq was developing nuclear weapons capability.
Fact, Hussain put down opposition with force.
Fallacy, he wantonly murdered his own citizens for perverse satisfaction.

That is COOKING THE BOOKS.

The bumper sticker that says all that is, "BUSH LIED PEOPLE DIED."
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Originally posted by granolabars:
So it seems like alot of you all have alot of things to say about the office of president. Like i said before, all public servants are corrupt to a degree. BUT, will someone please do some research on the presidents prayer life and his christian walk. Let us know.


I'm not sure why you would want someone to dig into Bush's "Christian walk" or his "prayer life". He probably thinks he he is doing God's work.
Think about this quote: "“Hence today I believe I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator — I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” That was said by Adolph Hitler.
Everybody who claims to be doing God's work ain't necessarly doin' it, and I am very leary of people who lie in the name of the Lord.
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
At this point I will give up. You absolutely can't have a discussion, based on fact, with people who are irrational about the subject.

See above post if you question what I mean.


Southern Patriot I don't see an irrationality in the majority of responses here. Can you be more specific?

Fact: Bush wanted to invade Iraq.
Fact: International law prohibits unprovoked invasions.
Fact: Al Qaeda attacked the USA often and with deadly force.
Fact: Al Qaeda was based in Afgnanistan, and operated out of Hamburg Germany, South Florida, Central Arizona, Pakistan, Great Britain, and a few other countries.
Fact: Al Qaeda DID NOT OPERATIE IN IRAQ.
Fact: International law forbid the USA from invading Iraq without Overt approval of the United Nations.
Fact: US Constitutional Law forbid making war on Iraq without a FORMAL declaration of war.
Fact: Bush claims authority to invade iraq on language contained in an ongoing sanction resolution and authority to disarm Iraq of specified material, ie: Weapons of Mass Destriction, Long Range Balistic Missiles and facilities producing these prohibited weapons.
Fact: No definitive evidence that any of these prohibited weapons or facilities existed.
Fact: There was no WMD in Iraq to remove or destroy.
Fact: George Bush and his Administrators SAID THERE WERE.
Fact: THEY LIED.

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