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See, This is the main issue that most people have with Palin. If it's a question out of the ordinary she deflects, even if its a harmless question. Even if it's someone who's on her side. The first couple of times it made her look aloof. Then it was excused by her fans for various reasons. What's the excuse now?

You know what? Without any speculation on what she has planned in the future it's something she needs to work on as it's seen as being unauthentic.
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Originally posted by Ronnie P.:
I'm surprised you missed it given the last few days in particular you can't seem to get her off your mind.

Several Hundred thousand people are dead and dying in Haiti and all you can think about is how much you hate Sarah Palin.



Oh, is that so? You presumably would have had sense enough not to have uttered such an all-subsuming condemnation if you had read what I posted at 8:42 this morning, which I will reproduce below for your edification:

"This keeps coming around--this business about the President's three-day "delay" in commenting on the panty-bomber incident. Many have also noted, correctly, that President Bush took twice as long to comment on the similar actions (similar explosive hidden in shoes; tragedy averted by actions of brave passengers and crew) of Richard Reed, the would-be "shoe bomber." In retrospect, neither the 3-day interval (Obama) nor the 6-day interval (Bush) has had or will have any material effect on the handling of either of these cases of bombus interruptus. No one was injured in either instance other than some crotch scorching on the part of the panty-bomber. Reed is in jail for a long time and the panty-bomber is destined for hard time also.

Meanwhile, tens of thousands and perhaps even hundreds of thousands of Haitians have died and many thousands more are seriously injured, are in pain, hungry, without safe drinking water, and facing the threat of infection and disease from horribly unsanitary conditions. President Obama rightly did not delay in rapidly mobilizing the resources of this nation to aid this small and stricken nation. I believe that George W. Bush or any other Republican President would have done the same thing. This nation has many times shown its compassion for other countries stricken by natural disasters, and we will do so again.

So, at least for now, people, as this horrible suffering is being dealt with, it is time to give this President the benefit of the doubt--not that there is anything in doubt about the misery in Haiti and the absolute need for a rapid and compassionate response on our part.

To those (such as the disgusting Rush Limbaugh) who seize on this event to tease out some kind of cavil against some perceived aspect of Mr. Obama's motives, I say, "STOP THIS INSANITY! This is no time for such deranged partisanship.

And as for such pluperfect fools as Pat Robertson, who insanely interprets the current misery in Haiti as divine wrath for some alleged 218-year old "pact with Satan," I would echo the famous words of Joseph N. Welch: "YOU'VE DONE ENOUGH. HAVE YOU NO SENSE OF DECENCY, SIR, AT LONG LAST? HAVE YOU LEFT NO SENSE OF DECENCY?"

http://forums.timesdaily.com/e...?r=34310055#34310055

You may now withdraw your obviously erroneous comment.
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Originally posted by ryokurin:
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See, This is the main issue that most people have with Palin. If it's a question out of the ordinary she deflects, even if its a harmless question. Even if it's someone who's on her side. The first couple of times it made her look aloof. Then it was excused by her fans for various reasons. What's the excuse now?

You know what? Without any speculation on what she has planned in the future it's something she needs to work on as it's seen as being unauthentic.


Not only "seen as being inauthentic," it IS inauthentic. Between those lovely ears and behind those designer eyeglasses, there is just not much there--but AIR!
David Frum:

"Republicans used to be the daddy party – the party of responsibility, of rules, of the hard truths of life. Yet these two pre-eminently visible spokespersons for conservatism and Republicanism talked for a full hour about their … feelings. They talked about trust and betrayal, they talked about wounds and hurt, they talked about spirituality and even relationships. But they pronounced scarcely a word about any external reality: war, recession, the long-term prospects for the country. It was like a scene from a Marin County fern bar in 1977."
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by ryokurin:
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpoin...-founding-father.php

See, This is the main issue that most people have with Palin. If it's a question out of the ordinary she deflects, even if its a harmless question. Even if it's someone who's on her side. The first couple of times it made her look aloof. Then it was excused by her fans for various reasons. What's the excuse now?

You know what? Without any speculation on what she has planned in the future it's something she needs to work on as it's seen as being unauthentic.


Not only "seen as being inauthentic," it IS inauthentic. Between those lovely ears and behind those designer eyeglasses, there is just not much there--but AIR!


Then why do you obsess about her?
Where Governor Palin really shined and gained impetus for her entry in the governor's race was her work with the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission. From 2003 to 2004, she chaired the commission, while also serving as its Ethics Supervisor. She resigned in January 2004, protesting her fellow Republican committe members lack of ethics.

After her resignation, she filed a formal ethics complaint against Oil and Gas Conservation Commissioner Randy Ruedrich, who also chaired the state Republican Party. She accused him of doing work for the party on public time and of working closely with a company he was supposed to be regulating. Joined by Democrat legislator Eric Croft, she filed an ethics complaint against Gregg Renkes, the former Alaska Attorney General, accusing him of having a financial conflict of interest in negotiating a coal exporting trade agreement. Ruedrich and Renkes both resigned and Ruedrich paid a record $12,000 fine.

This is not the work of an airhead. Where the lady really shines is when speaking of oil extraction, property rights and energy, and energy policy.
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Originally posted by Lawrence Black:
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Originally posted by Lawrence Black:
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This is not the work of an airhead.



I know they even found some of her papers they studied and showed she had a far above average IQ



And, your life accomplishments equals Palin's?


And yours equal Obama's accomplishments?


Not a logical argumentation, I've not questioned his intelligence, which I consider cold and calculating, but not low.

You questioned Palin's IQ.
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Originally posted by Ronnie P.:
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by ryokurin:
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpoin...-founding-father.php

See, This is the main issue that most people have with Palin. If it's a question out of the ordinary she deflects, even if its a harmless question. Even if it's someone who's on her side. The first couple of times it made her look aloof. Then it was excused by her fans for various reasons. What's the excuse now?

You know what? Without any speculation on what she has planned in the future it's something she needs to work on as it's seen as being unauthentic.


Not only "seen as being inauthentic," it IS inauthentic. Between those lovely ears and behind those designer eyeglasses, there is just not much there--but AIR!


Then why do you obsess about her?


You children do NOT pay attention. Did you not read my pearl of yesterday? I suppose not; thus I will do you the service of repeating it here:

"Against huge odds, I am mobilizing my resources in a diligent effort to disabuse the Palinistas of their dangerously naive support of the loose cannon that is SARAH PALIN. As unlikely as it is that she could attain national political office, it nevertheless behooves those of us who revere order and sanity to continue to warn against the disastrous consequences that would follow the installation of such an airhead in a seat of national and world power. The fundamental and compelling factor that drives my interest in performing this needed public service is, in a word, PATRIOTISM!"

I am pleased to be a vessel for your enlightenment, but in the future, please temper your accusations of "obsession" with a polite recognition that I indeed have stated clearly the reasons for my interest in the Palin aberration, as set forth above.
Hot diggety! Go to to see Beck's interview with Palin at last. Fox predictably chose it as the week-end re-run of the Beck show.

Never have I heard such a big whine-in as these two put on.

The notion of a poor mistreated Sarah pervaded the discussion. Come on, Airhead! Politics is a rough and tumble game, and when you so generously give your opponents and critics so much material to work with, expect to be hit with some ridicule. The ridiculous are the natural objects of ridicule--an irrefutable principle of politics!
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David Frum:

"Republicans used to be the daddy party – the party of responsibility, of rules, of the hard truths of life. Yet these two pre-eminently visible spokespersons for conservatism and Republicanism talked for a full hour about their … feelings. They talked about trust and betrayal, they talked about wounds and hurt, they talked about spirituality and even relationships. But they pronounced scarcely a word about any external reality: war, recession, the long-term prospects for the country. It was like a scene from a Marin County fern bar in 1977."


David Frum is a radical neocon. He is the guy who coined the term "axis of evil" (he is the man who wrote that speech for Dubya).

I am not necessarily a huge Beck fan, but I have watched him enough to know that his main concerns are not the same as Frum's. Therefore, it's no surprise that Frum would see Beck as "soft" since Beck rarely talks about Islamic terrorism. Moreover, Beck has given the Republican party plenty of scorn, a fact that the hardcore neocons (like Frum, Kristol, and Krauthammer) loathe about him. Beck is not an expansionist and interventionist like the neocons (though he isn't an extremist about it like Ron Paul), thus he doesn't have that much in common with the neocons who seem to be all about Israel and the Palestinians and not much about domestic policy.
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Originally posted by beternU:
The notion of a poor mistreated Sarah pervaded the discussion. Come on, Airhead! Politics is a rough and tumble game, and when you so generously give your opponents and critics so much material to work with, expect to be hit with some ridicule. The ridiculous are the natural objects of ridicule--an irrefutable principle of politics!


That's fine if it weren't for a double standard that most Democrats seem to be guilty of (especially during the 2008 elections). While Palin did give the enemy some good material, the same can be said of Obama. The difference is when the right brought these points out about Obama they were invariably confronted with the "that's irrelevant" and "you just hate him because he's black" tripe. We were supposed to believe that Obama's radical associates were not relevant to the campaign and should be seen as mere youthful indiscretions (even though Obama was well into adulthood when they occurred).

So, I don't mind the left attacking Palin, nor do I mind the right doing the same to Obama and company. I just get sick of the double standards (and the left seems to be more guilty of perpetuating the double standards).
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The fundamental and compelling factor that drives my interest in performing this needed public service is, in a word, PATRIOTISM!


So its patriotic to criticize, misquote, malign, smear, and degrade a politician.

Who knew?

If you are patriotic, I'll go with Chavez.


Your post just might have captured some tiny shred of credibility if you had SHOWN where and how I "misquote, malign, smear, and degrade" Ms. Palin. To merely assert those charges, as you did, proves nothing except that you have an opinion. Any moron can HAVE an opinion; it takes a rational and intelligent person to prove and defend an opinion.

As for "criticize," I can only say that if you are opposed to criticizing public political figures, then it is YOU who are suspect in the patriotism department. Are all those on these forums who "criticize" politicians on the left, right, and center deficient in patriotism? I kind of thought that having a free country meant that we were free to speak out against those things we find objectionable in our leaders or would-be leaders. Or would you prefer that we just accept all that they do and say without criticizing them?

I am glad that patriots like Thomas Paine, Patrick Henry, Thomas jefferson and Alexander Hamilton were not reluctant to
C R I T I C I Z E !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe Hugo Chavez is right for you. He does not appreciate criticism either.
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Originally posted by SS97:
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The fundamental and compelling factor that drives my interest in performing this needed public service is, in a word, PATRIOTISM!


So its patriotic to criticize, misquote, malign, smear, and degrade a politician.

Who knew?

If you are patriotic, I'll go with Chavez.


Well SURE! If you're a lefty, ANYTHING goes! Just don't have ANYthing critical to sat about the Obamessiah or his minions. Wink
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by SS97:
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The fundamental and compelling factor that drives my interest in performing this needed public service is, in a word, PATRIOTISM!


So its patriotic to criticize, misquote, malign, smear, and degrade a politician.

Who knew?

If you are patriotic, I'll go with Chavez.


Your post just might have captured some tiny shred of credibility if you had SHOWN where and how I "misquote, malign, smear, and degrade" Ms. Palin. To merely assert those charges, as you did, proves nothing except that you have an opinion. Any moron can HAVE an opinion; it takes a rational and intelligent person to prove and defend an opinion.

As for "criticize," I can only say that if you are opposed to criticizing public political figures, then it is YOU who are suspect in the patriotism department. Are all those on these forums who "criticize" politicians on the left, right, and center deficient in patriotism? I kind of thought that having a free country meant that we were free to speak out against those things we find objectionable in our leaders or would-be leaders. Or would you prefer that we just accept all that they do and say without criticizing them?

I am glad that patriots like Thomas Paine, Patrick Henry, Thomas jefferson and Alexander Hamilton were not reluctant to
C R I T I C I Z E !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe Hugo Chavez is right for you. He does not appreciate criticism either.


Woo-hoo! The Hillary defense!
Well. marksw, you have now posted twice in response to the correct information I posted on Mary Cheney and what was said about her. And I have carefully read and considered what you posted, and found absaolutely NOTHING of any substance whatever. You have committed an act of pure, unadulterated PIFFLE! Can't you do better than that? I really do get tired of sparring with you incompetents.
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I really do get tired of sparring with you incompetents.

Then please, stop.

We would all appreciate it.

As for criticizing, yep, Obama has plenty to criticize and you would too if you could get past the twisted lib spine that you have.

You can have any opinion you want and guess what sputterer, it doesn't have to have facts to back it up. That's why it's called an OPINION!
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Originally posted by beternU:
Well. marksw, you have now posted twice in response to the correct information I posted on Mary Cheney and what was said about her. And I have carefully read and considered what you posted, and found absaolutely NOTHING of any substance whatever. You have committed an act of pure, unadulterated PIFFLE! Can't you do better than that? I really do get tired of sparring with you incompetents.


Pardon me, but wasn't that the same defense Hillary used when she was screeching about how her dissent was the highest form of patriotism? If not, never mind.
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Originally posted by beternU:
Well. marksw, you have now posted twice in response to the correct information I posted on Mary Cheney and what was said about her. And I have carefully read and considered what you posted, and found absaolutely NOTHING of any substance whatever. You have committed an act of pure, unadulterated PIFFLE! Can't you do better than that? I really do get tired of sparring with you incompetents.


Pardon me, but wasn't that the same defense Hillary used when she was screeching about how her dissent was the highest form of patriotism? If not, never mind.


Whether from Hillary or from anyone else, the principle that dissent is an integral part of the American system of government and a benefit to society is a time-honored constitutional principle. If it does not suit you, then there are plenty of nations on the planet that routinely crush dissent and you are welcome to immigrate to any of them you choose. Toodle-oo!
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Originally posted by marksw59:
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Originally posted by beternU:
Well. marksw, you have now posted twice in response to the correct information I posted on Mary Cheney and what was said about her. And I have carefully read and considered what you posted, and found absaolutely NOTHING of any substance whatever. You have committed an act of pure, unadulterated PIFFLE! Can't you do better than that? I really do get tired of sparring with you incompetents.


Pardon me, but wasn't that the same defense Hillary used when she was screeching about how her dissent was the highest form of patriotism? If not, never mind.


Whether from Hillary or from anyone else, the principle that dissent is an integral part of the American system of government and a benefit to society is a time-honored constitutional principle. If it does not suit you, then there are plenty of nations on the planet that routinely crush dissent and you are welcome to immigrate to any of them you choose. Toodle-oo!


You wish. No, it suits me just fine it's just that you guys on the left can not tolerate criticism of the Obamessiah™ from the right.

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