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jtdavis posted:

Bush had a robust economy. Obama ruined it.

You win the dumbest post award. 

No jt, you still win those hands down or the dumb post award. That one is yours permanantly. Just what did obama do for the country besides destroy jobs, open the borders to all sorts of dangerous illegals, drag in terrorists with plans to drag in more. How about that "affordable insurance" of his that no one can afford? How about pushing the race war? He did do a good job of dividing the country on race and income. Of course you whine constantly about "the rich", all except the rich demoslops, so you don't mind that war.

giftedamateur posted:
jtdavis posted:

Bush had a robust economy. Obama ruined it.

You win the dumbest post award. 

Debunk the claim with facts if you can. Remember, you can't use that imaginary surplus that didn't exist. I see Obama just made Iran's economy better to the tune of 400 million.

Wonder how much of that $400 mil they will give to hilliary? Or will she take her cut off the top?

jtdavis posted:

Dire, you keep bringing up those gloom and doom numbers about Obama's time in office, why don't you bring up some numbers to show what Bush did to a robust economy? After all, Obama inherited a train wreck and faced republican opposition at every twist and turn.

Clinton left a bomb with a long lit fuse for Bush.  True, Freddie and Fannie added gasoline to the fire, which wasn’t Bill’s fault.  Obama had complete control of the congress during his first two years and only made it worse.  The resulting congress could only practice damage control.   Obama has left a massive job hard for even Coolidge to salvage.  Trump, at least, has some idea how. Hillary would throw in dynamite.

direstraits posted:
jtdavis posted:

Dire, you keep bringing up those gloom and doom numbers about Obama's time in office, why don't you bring up some numbers to show what Bush did to a robust economy? After all, Obama inherited a train wreck and faced republican opposition at every twist and turn.

Clinton left a bomb with a long lit fuse for Bush.  True, Freddie and Fannie added gasoline to the fire, which wasn’t Bill’s fault.  Obama had complete control of the congress during his first two years and only made it worse.  The resulting congress could only practice damage control.   Obama has left a massive job hard for even Coolidge to salvage.  Trump, at least, has some idea how. Hillary would throw in dynamite.

http://townhall.com/columnists...-done-wrong-n1876744

jtdavis posted:

Did any of you read the numbers I posted? Doubtful. Do I need to post them again? You still would ignore them and post anti democrat stuff. It don't matter if its all lies, just so its anti democrat.

I gave you the reason for the stock market boom, which is mimicking the panic of 1929.  I also gave the average GDP growth for the last 7.5 years -- 1.3 percent, the worst in at least 100 years.  Without the massive spending in 2001, it would average 0.6 percent for the last 6.5 years.  Without GDP growth, the economy can't grow.   

I also gave the average GDP growth for the last 7.5 years -- 1.3 percent, the worst in at least 100 years.  

was this worse than the GDP growth under Bush?  BTW, wasn't there a 2 term republican president before the great depression and a 2 term republican president before this latest great recession?

jtdavis posted:

Did any of you read the numbers I posted? Doubtful. Do I need to post them again? You still would ignore them and post anti democrat stuff. It don't matter if its all lies, just so its anti democrat.

What anti-demoslop lies? I post anti-demoslop items all the time, but never a lie about the scum buckets. They're so scummy and low down there is no reason to post a lie about them, the truth is bad enough. Are you OK with them giving iran 400 MILLION dollars when legal citizens right here in the US can't find decent jobs?

Jack Flash posted:
Bestworking posted:

Jt says-"In the skilled building trades, there is no comparison between union and non union tradesmen".

???????????

OK that makes it official, jt isn't a real person .......  never was..

I just wonder what he means. Surely he isn't saying union workers are better and more skilled. I see to much to convince me that just isn't true. So jt, what does that mean?

jtdavis posted:

I also gave the average GDP growth for the last 7.5 years -- 1.3 percent, the worst in at least 100 years.  

was this worse than the GDP growth under Bush?  BTW, wasn't there a 2 term republican president before the great depression and a 2 term republican president before this latest great recession?

The Bush average GDP was 2.3 percent. The average Reagan GDP was 7.9 percent. 

I just wonder what he means. Surely he isn't saying union workers are better and more skilled. I see to much to convince me that just isn't true. So jt, what does that mean?

That is exactly what I'm saying about the building trades. There is no comparison between the average union craftsman and the average non union craftsman. I'm not familiar with all unions, only building trades.

The Bush average GDP was 2.3 percent. The average Reagan GDP was 7.9 percent. 

Dire, I looked at a GDP site. It gave Obama credit for a 3.23 GDP growth, this included a .11% in 2009. It gave  Bush a 5.78 average, it gave Reagan a 8.52 number. Keep in mind, it gave Carter credit for a 11.53 average GDP. Reagan and Carters number came when less american manufacturers had left america and there was a higher percent on unionized workers in america. 

jtdavis posted:

I just wonder what he means. Surely he isn't saying union workers are better and more skilled. I see to much to convince me that just isn't true. So jt, what does that mean?

That is exactly what I'm saying about the building trades. There is no comparison between the average union craftsman and the average non union craftsman. I'm not familiar with all unions, only building trades.

OK, thatis  what you mean and it is BS. I have had work done, never by union workers, and the work has been superb, and from what I have seen of their work, superior to union workers.

jtdavis posted:

Jt has gone to ground.

Gifted, can you explain

I'll let Gifted answer, but until then-

gone to ground

To take evasive action in order to avoid further attention. To "lay low."
stone·wall
delay or block (a request, process, or person) by refusing to answer questions or by giving evasive replies, especially in politics.
 
jtdavis posted:

The Bush average GDP was 2.3 percent. The average Reagan GDP was 7.9 percent. 

Dire, I looked at a GDP site. It gave Obama credit for a 3.23 GDP growth, this included a .11% in 2009. It gave  Bush a 5.78 average, it gave Reagan a 8.52 number. Keep in mind, it gave Carter credit for a 11.53 average GDP. Reagan and Carters number came when less american manufacturers had left america and there was a higher percent on unionized workers in america. 

I suspect you viewed statistics normalized for inflation.  For Reagan and before, that would be correct.  I've used the same.  However, for Obama's last 7.5 years, I used the US Bureau of Labor Statistics stats, as there was little inflation during that recent period.  BLS recently downgraded the stats for Obama's administration, as I referenced a few times in the forum.

To take evasive action in order to avoid further attention. To "lay low."

Anytime you think your biased opinions can cause me to "lay low", don't break your arm trying to pat yourself on your back. As of yet, I haven't saw a post from you that could truthfully hurt my feelings.

jtdavis posted:

To take evasive action in order to avoid further attention. To "lay low."

Anytime you think your biased opinions can cause me to "lay low", don't break your arm trying to pat yourself on your back. As of yet, I haven't saw a post from you that could truthfully hurt my feelings.

That could be because you keep asking everyone what do
they mean when they post you.....??...
jtdavis posted:

To take evasive action in order to avoid further attention. To "lay low."

Anytime you think your biased opinions can cause me to "lay low", don't break your arm trying to pat yourself on your back. As of yet, I haven't saw a post from you that could truthfully hurt my feelings.

No one has tried to "hurt your feelings". What are you mentally, five years old? You lay low, or go to ground, when you don't want to, or can't, answer questions, yet you will ask someone to answer your questions over and over. What about your "biased" opinions?

jtdavis posted:

OK, thatis  what you mean and it is BS.

You can choose not to believe the truth. In commercial and industrial applications, there is no comparison. Residential is not normally union.

I choose to believe what I see. There are a few things we insist on when we have work done. No union workers and no "foreign"/illegal workers are two of those things. Commercial and industrial applications, well, that's the ones unions hold hostage and drives the costs up millions more than it should be, and even more the pity, as I said, the overblown costly work is substandard.

jtdavis posted:

He's gone to ground once more.

I'm sort of proud that you have found another phrase. Even though you didn't think of it on your own, you copied from someone else. You other stock phrases were getting stale.

What "stock" phrases? Demoslops is a name for you guys, not a "phrase" and it suits you guys perfectly. I didn't "find" the phrase "gone to ground", I knew it already, and when she used it I said it fit you perfectly. So why not use it? It wouldn't hurt you to find a few new phrases or uses for words. I'll put my vocabulary/ability to use words, against yours any day. This "reply" you posted proves you've gone to ground once more.

direstraits posted:

In England, "gone to ground" is a reference to fox hunting.  The fox finds a hole and hides from the hounds. 

Yes, but in jt's case:

gone to ground

To take evasive action in order to avoid further attention. To "lay low."
stone·wall
delay or block (a request, process, or person) by refusing to answer questions or by giving evasive replies, especially in politics.

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