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<<<WASHINGTON -- GOP presidential candidate Ben Carson disavowed ties to a questionable nutritional supplement company Wednesday, despite the fact that he has given speeches for the firm, appeared on its website and said he loves its products. 

"I didn't have any involvement," Carson said during Wednesday night's CNBC debate in Boulder, Colorado. "That's total propaganda."

 

In 2009, Texas-based Mannatech Inc. settled charges brought by the state attorney general that alleged the company had used "deceptive" and "illegal" materials claiming its products could cure Down Syndrome, cystic fibrosis, autism and cancer, according to the Wall Street Journal. 

Mannatech relies on unsalaried independent sales associates for marketing, and it blamed them for the false claims. The company now operates under new leadership. 

Carson, a retired neurosurgeon, has proclaimed himself to be a believer in the supplements. He has given four speeches to Mannatech, according to the WSJ, most recently getting paid $42,000 in 2013. He also appeared in videos promoting the company's products. 

"The wonderful thing about a company like Mannatech is that they recognize that when God made us, they gave us the right fuel. And that fuel was the right kind of healthy food. ... Basically what the company is doing is trying to find a way to try to restore natural diet as a medicine, or as a mechanism for maintaining health," Carson said in a 2013 promotional spot.

 

Read more about the whole sordid mess involving this QUACK product and its outrageous endorsement by a supposedly  astute medical doctor.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...794fe4b0c66bae5afd3c

 

Those inclined to scoff and dismiss this because of its source, Huffington Post, might find more confidence in an article published 9 months ago in the decidedly conservative National Review:

 

http://www.nationalreview.com/...nection-jim-geraghty

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Originally Posted by Contendahh:
Originally Posted by Chuck Farley:

How about the lies THIS ADMINISTRATION and YOUR CANDIDATE told about the attack in Benghazi?  Care to fact check that you old TOOL.

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Congratulations!  You have just won the "So's Yer Old Man" of the Month award.  

 

But I can understand your angst, since you and others are undoubtedly still smarting over the sad performance of the Trey Gowdy clown act and the withering testimony of Hillary Clinton.

Now try hard to stay on topic.

Those wishing to learn more about Dr. Carson's favorite quack product and its sordid history

can find plenty here:

 

 http://www.watchforscams.com/mannatech_scam.html

 

Just how much medical savvy would be needed to readily determine that the stuff endorsed by Carson is an egregious snake-oil ripoff?

 

Why would Carson throw in with a company so obviously involved in fraudulent medical claims

and headed by an obvious flim-flam operator who has a history of multiple run-ins with the law?

 

Well, there is the matter of that compen$ation for $peeches he gave for them and such other compen$ation as he received for the endorsement$ that he laughably claims were not endorsement$.

Originally Posted by Contendahh:

Those wishing to learn more about Dr. Carson's favorite quack product and its sordid history

can find plenty here:

 

 http://www.watchforscams.com/mannatech_scam.html

 

Just how much medical savvy would be needed to readily determine that the stuff endorsed by Carson is an egregious snake-oil ripoff?

 

Why would Carson throw in with a company so obviously involved in fraudulent medical claims

and headed by an obvious flim-flam operator who has a history of multiple run-ins with the law?

 

Well, there is the matter of that compen$ation for $peeches he gave for them and such other compen$ation as he received for the endorsement$ that he laughably claims were not endorsement$.

More about this company and its scandalous dealings:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mannatech

 

Originally Posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:

Based on your own link, he was only stating the benefits of glyco nutrients.  No where did it say he supported any false claims made by the company.

 

Contendah is the proud receipient of today's "Grasping for Straws" Award.  Congrats Condie, this makes your 98th consecutive week of winning this award.

 

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What an honor for me!  I would have expected the award to go to the National Journal, which has covered this issue in much greater depth than I could and which has a far greater audience than this little provincial forum.  As I showed above, the claimed "benefits" of the glyconutrient product marketed by Mannatech have been thoroughly discredited by independent studies, and that should be enough to warn off Carson from backing that company in any way.


 

 

Originally Posted by Contendahh:
Originally Posted by Contendahh:
Originally Posted by Chuck Farley:

How about the lies THIS ADMINISTRATION and YOUR CANDIDATE told about the attack in Benghazi?  Care to fact check that you old TOOL.

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Congratulations!  You have just won the "So's Yer Old Man" of the Month award.  

 

But I can understand your angst, since you and others are undoubtedly still smarting over the sad performance of the Trey Gowdy clown act and the withering testimony of Hillary Clinton.

Now try hard to stay on topic.

 

 

It was proven beyond a doubt that she lied to the family of the fallen in the presence of their flag draped caskets. She knew the Benghazi excuse was a blatant lie but told it because of the election a few weeks away. She is a bumbling, dishonest old hag. The winch should be behind bars for multiple counts.

 

You think she should be leader of the free world-what does that say about you and the Democrat Party???

Originally Posted by Contendahh:
Originally Posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:

Based on your own link, he was only stating the benefits of glyco nutrients.  No where did it say he supported any false claims made by the company.

 

Contendah is the proud receipient of today's "Grasping for Straws" Award.  Congrats Condie, this makes your 98th consecutive week of winning this award.

 

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What an honor for me!  I would have expected the award to go to the National Journal, which has covered this issue in much greater depth than I could and which has a far greater audience than this little provincial forum.  As I showed above, the claimed "benefits" of the glyconutrient product marketed by Mannatech have been thoroughly discredited by independent studies, and that should be enough to warn off Carson from backing that company in any way.


 

 


Condie, there is no reason for you to feign ignorance when you truly are ignorant.

Originally Posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
Originally Posted by Contendahh:
Originally Posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:

Based on your own link, he was only stating the benefits of glyco nutrients.  No where did it say he supported any false claims made by the company.

 

Contendah is the proud receipient of today's "Grasping for Straws" Award.  Congrats Condie, this makes your 98th consecutive week of winning this award.

 

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What an honor for me!  I would have expected the award to go to the National Journal, which has covered this issue in much greater depth than I could and which has a far greater audience than this little provincial forum.  As I showed above, the claimed "benefits" of the glyconutrient product marketed by Mannatech have been thoroughly discredited by independent studies, and that should be enough to warn off Carson from backing that company in any way.


 

 


Condie, there is no reason for you to feign ignorance when you truly are ignorant.

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I have not feigned any ignorance whatsoever concerning Carson's alliance with a quack medical product and a company with an embarrassing history of lies and fakery.  You can crank out all the ad hominem insults you want, but it you just might achieve a little relevance  if you would tell us your take on Carson's obvious involvement with Mannatech despite his disavowal of such involvement. Do you really believe he is telling the truth? Are you ready to sign up for some of that miracle product?

Originally Posted by direstraits:

Dr. Carson may have erred in contributing to the PBS video.  Since then, he has backed off contributing to another video. 

 

The second question, unanswered, is why PBS, was involved in broadcasting the video.

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Its this the video you mean--where he goes on  and on about the supposed benefits of the quack remedy he is shilling for?

 

https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/s...BPremium&iscqry=

Originally Posted by Contendahh:
Originally Posted by direstraits:

Dr. Carson may have erred in contributing to the PBS video.  Since then, he has backed off contributing to another video. 

 

The second question, unanswered, is why PBS, was involved in broadcasting the video.

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Its this the video you mean--where he goes on  and on about the supposed benefits of the quack remedy he is shilling for?

 

https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/s...BPremium&iscqry=

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Broadcast tax free on the publicly supported station.

 

Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by Contendahh:
Originally Posted by direstraits:

Dr. Carson may have erred in contributing to the PBS video.  Since then, he has backed off contributing to another video. 

 

The second question, unanswered, is why PBS, was involved in broadcasting the video.

____

Its this the video you mean--where he goes on  and on about the supposed benefits of the quack remedy he is shilling for?

 

https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/s...BPremium&iscqry=

__________________________________________________________________

Broadcast tax free on the publicly supported station.

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PBS provides all kinds of news coverage, and this is newsworthy, as indicated by widespread coverage across all media the last couple of days.  Tax free status has absolutely no relevance in the matter any more than does any  other coverage of political matters on PBS. You stretch absurdly to form a pitifully weak objection.

 

Originally Posted by Contendahh:
Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by Contendahh:
Originally Posted by direstraits:

Dr. Carson may have erred in contributing to the PBS video.  Since then, he has backed off contributing to another video. 

 

The second question, unanswered, is why PBS, was involved in broadcasting the video.

____

Its this the video you mean--where he goes on  and on about the supposed benefits of the quack remedy he is shilling for?

 

https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/s...BPremium&iscqry=

__________________________________________________________________

Broadcast tax free on the publicly supported station.

 ____

PBS provides all kinds of news coverage, and this is newsworthy, as indicated by widespread coverage across all media the last couple of days.  Tax free status has absolutely no relevance in the matter any more than does any  other coverage of political matters on PBS. You stretch absurdly to form a pitifully weak objection.

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Regular broadcasting stations, not cable, are subject to FCC regulation to include false information/  And, you still do not see the problem? 

 

Baptists are blind to fellow parishioners at the liquor store.  Liberals are blind to anything that disturbs their world view.

 

 

Right about the demoslops, but why do you say Baptists as if they are the ONLY ones blind to someone at the liquor store? I know the coc cult is blind to many things, a cheating preacher among other things. Beternnun is just that desperate to run down Carson. He appears not to have a clue how stupid it is for him to ignore all the horrible, country damaging things the dems do, and focus on non-stories about the Republicans. But again, if dems had any sense they wouldn't be dems.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Right about the demoslops, but why do you say Baptists as if they are the ONLY ones blind to someone at the liquor store? I know the coc cult is blind to many things, a cheating preacher among other things. Beternnun is just that desperate to run down Carson. He appears not to have a clue how stupid it is for him to ignore all the horrible, country damaging things the dems do, and focus on non-stories about the Republicans. But again, if dems had any sense they wouldn't be dems.

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Best, its an old standing joke in the South -- either blindness or temporary amnesia.  Baptists are usually the sect cited.

 

Also a physician can give his or her OPINION about the health related effects of a medication or supplement, however the FDA is the one who releases actual control data. In your opinion, the drug may or may not work, since its efficacy may be low, however for others it may be a brilliant cure for what is ailing them.

For instance, in the case of Contenduh, a well prescribed laxative would probably alleviate most of his mental capacity, where for the typical forum poster it would be nothing more than a a short term irritant.

This media outlet, like most of the Democrats, are grasping at anything to destroy the man's reputation, while they themselves voted for an obstinate blowhard who saddled himself with and confided in known criminals and anarchists.

Originally Posted by teyates:

Also a physician can give his or her OPINION about the health related effects of a medication or supplement, however the FDA is the one who releases actual control data. In your opinion, the drug may or may not work, since its efficacy may be low, however for others it may be a brilliant cure for what is ailing them.

For instance, in the case of Contenduh, a well prescribed laxative would probably alleviate most of his mental capacity, where for the typical forum poster it would be nothing more than a a short term irritant.

This media outlet, like most of the Democrats, are grasping at anything to destroy the man's reputation, while they themselves voted for an obstinate blowhard who saddled himself with and confided in known criminals and anarchists.

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Of course you purposely avoid any reference to the various legal actions taken against the quack nostrum Carson endorsed.  It would not do to add any balance or objectivity to your commentary for you to recognize that Greg Abbott, the ultraconservative governor of Texas, in his former capacity as Attorney General, brought legal action against Mannatech  for its shabby marketing practices and fraudulent claims.



 

"DALLAS Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott today charged Coppell-based Mannatech, Inc., its owner, Samuel L. Caster, and several related entities with operating an illegal marketing scheme in violation of state law. Today’s enforcement action stems from a large-scale investigation by state authorities, who examined Mannatech’s dubious claims about the health benefits of its products.

Documents filed in Travis County district court reveal Mannatech’s scheme to exploit families, including those challenged by cancer, Down’s syndrome, cystic fibrosis and other serious illnesses. According to investigators, exaggerated claims about the therapeutic benefits of Mannatech’s dietary supplements and nutritional products were unlawfully used to increase sales. The attorney general’s enforcement action asserts that Mannatech’s deceptive practices pose a health risk to seriously-ill consumers who may forgo traditional medical attention because of the company’s false claims."

 

https://www.texasattorneygener.../release.php?id=2086

 

"DALLAS Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott today reached an agreement that resolves the state’s enforcement actions against Coppell-based Mannatech Inc. and its former CEO, Samuel L. Caster. In 2007, the state charged both defendants with orchestrating an unlawful marketing scheme that exaggerated their products’ health benefits. Under the settlement, Mannatech will pay $4 million in restitution to Texas customers. Caster, the company’s founder and largest shareholder, will pay a $1 million civil penalty and is prevented from serving as an officer, director, or employee of Mannatech for the next five years.

According to the state’s enforcement action, Mannatech, under the direction of Caster and through its multi-level marketing network, exaggerated claims about the therapeutic benefits of its dietary supplements and nutritional products in order to increase sales. Marketing materials falsely claimed that Mannatech’s dietary supplements could cure and treat Down Syndrome, cystic fibrosis, cancer and other serious illnesses. Under state and federal law, drug manufacturers cannot claim their products cure, treat, mitigate or prevent illness unless the product has been approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration as a drug. Mannatech’s products are supplements not drugs and they have not been approved as drugs by the federal regulatory agency. The state’s enforcement action against Mannatech and Caster involves a referral from the Texas Department of State Health Services for violations of the Texas Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act."

 

https://www.texasattorneygener.../release.php?id=2858

 

Truly, Teyates, for someone who often asserts his experience and expertise in matters medical,

you have now disqualified yourself as any kind of credible source on such subject matter.  I can scarcely believe that you would rise to the defense--even the qualified defense--of a product that has more quackery behind it than the AFLAC duck!  Was Greg Abbott, in the action he brought against this scam product's hucksters, grinding some kind of liberal axe?  Was National Review, a highly-respected conservative journal, on some kind of ideological witch hunt when it reported on  this sorry Mannatech enterprise?

 

 

Surely you jest.  Simply because one person denounces the product, the spokesman must be a shill?  Is that your hypothesis?  How many times has Bayer been sued over aspirin? Is it therefore quackery?  How many times has Pfizer or any other company been sued for a product such as Celebrex? Does that make the product any less likely to affect change in a percentage of the people who take it?

My point is that Carson's opinion may be that this drug has some form of efficacy, and who is to say he is wrong?  There are many out there who would sing it's praises.  I have people all the time telling me the wonderful benefit behind essential oils and acupressure. Different strokes for different folks.  What you are asserting is that Caron is implicitly telling lies in an effort to make money, and I would counter that this may not be the case.

Now, if you want to look at lies, we can always look at the ones told about Benghazi and who would have benefitted from those, but I am sure you don't want to go down that path.

As far as disqualifying myself for being a credible source, my only comment is that anything you get from me is worth about as much as the other senseless drivel spouted on this forum including that from the resident blowhard whose current infatuation is Ben Carson.  At least the poor old girl from Wasilla can get a rest for now.

 

Originally Posted by teyates:

Surely you jest.  Simply because one person denounces the product, the spokesman must be a shill?  Is that your hypothesis?  How many times has Bayer been sued over aspirin? Is it therefore quackery?  How many times has Pfizer or any other company been sued for a product such as Celebrex? Does that make the product any less likely to affect change in a percentage of the people who take it?

My point is that Carson's opinion may be that this drug has some form of efficacy, and who is to say he is wrong?  There are many out there who would sing it's praises.  I have people all the time telling me the wonderful benefit behind essential oils and acupressure. Different strokes for different folks.  What you are asserting is that Caron is implicitly telling lies in an effort to make money, and I would counter that this may not be the case.

Now, if you want to look at lies, we can always look at the ones told about Benghazi and who would have benefitted from those, but I am sure you don't want to go down that path.

As far as disqualifying myself for being a credible source, my only comment is that anything you get from me is worth about as much as the other senseless drivel spouted on this forum including that from the resident blowhard whose current infatuation is Ben Carson.  At least the poor old girl from Wasilla can get a rest for now.

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Well, yes, there are numerous instances where pharmaceutical companies are sued on the basis of claims related to the effects of their prescription drugs.  But as you know,  those claims typically arise as class-action lawsuits brought by private law firms, not by very politically conservative, free-market enthusiasts like Greg Abbott, the current Republican Governor and former Attorney General of Texas.

 

There might be some as-yet-unproven benefits associated with the Mannatech product he endorses and personally uses, but the basis of legal action against that company was its utterly unproven and unsupportable claims of efficacy against several fatal diseases. 

 

And get real!  Whether or not Carson agrees with or supports any of the unproven claims of Mannatech, by lending his image and reputation to the company, he undoubtedly influenced  favorable public opinion of their products and the claims therefor, something a medical doctor with high ethical character has no business doing. And yes, he got paid for his services to these snake oil salesmen!.

 

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Yep, first it was Palin, then for some reason he got fixated on Mitch McConnell's looks and made thread after thread about him. Then Trump was the subject of threads about his looks and other petty things. Now he's moved on to Dr. Yummy, and since he can't attack his looks, he is scrabbling for ANYTHING to try to make into something. Really beternnun? After ALL the **** you demoslops do??? When ALL of the stinking anti-American pig demos should be in prison, you try to make something out of nothing about Carson and other Republicans? Just like that lame thread about $60,000 over a seven year timespan to go to prayer breakfasts? As I said, had they spent it on learning how to make OUR public schools more muslim friendly you would be PRAISING it. I wonder how much they have spent on that sort of garbage??

Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by Contendahh:
Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by Contendahh:
Originally Posted by direstraits:

Dr. Carson may have erred in contributing to the PBS video.  Since then, he has backed off contributing to another video. 

 

The second question, unanswered, is why PBS, was involved in broadcasting the video.

____

Its this the video you mean--where he goes on  and on about the supposed benefits of the quack remedy he is shilling for?

 

https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/s...BPremium&iscqry=

__________________________________________________________________

Broadcast tax free on the publicly supported station.

 ____

PBS provides all kinds of news coverage, and this is newsworthy, as indicated by widespread coverage across all media the last couple of days.  Tax free status has absolutely no relevance in the matter any more than does any  other coverage of political matters on PBS. You stretch absurdly to form a pitifully weak objection.

_____________________________________________________________________

Regular broadcasting stations, not cable, are subject to FCC regulation to include false information/  And, you still do not see the problem? 

 

Baptists are blind to fellow parishioners at the liquor store.  Liberals are blind to anything that disturbs their world view.

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I am not blind, and I have seen no "false testimony," so your take is irrelevant.

 

 

Originally Posted by Contendahh:
Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by Contendahh:
Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by Contendahh:
Originally Posted by direstraits:

Dr. Carson may have erred in contributing to the PBS video.  Since then, he has backed off contributing to another video. 

 

The second question, unanswered, is why PBS, was involved in broadcasting the video.

____

Its this the video you mean--where he goes on  and on about the supposed benefits of the quack remedy he is shilling for?

 

https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/s...BPremium&iscqry=

__________________________________________________________________

Broadcast tax free on the publicly supported station.

 ____

PBS provides all kinds of news coverage, and this is newsworthy, as indicated by widespread coverage across all media the last couple of days.  Tax free status has absolutely no relevance in the matter any more than does any  other coverage of political matters on PBS. You stretch absurdly to form a pitifully weak objection.

_____________________________________________________________________

Regular broadcasting stations, not cable, are subject to FCC regulation to include false information/  And, you still do not see the problem? 

 

Baptists are blind to fellow parishioners at the liquor store.  Liberals are blind to anything that disturbs their world view.

 ____

I am not blind, and I have seen no "false testimony," so your take is irrelevant.

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If not blind, certainly myopic.  Dr. Carson makes a video about a product you consider snake oil and start this thread rant.  PBS broadcasts the video, which you now say is false testimony.  Caotenduhh, you're like the pup that chased and bit his tail -- can't understand why its hurting.

 

 

 

 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Yep, first it was Palin, then for some reason he got fixated on Mitch McConnell's looks and made thread after thread about him. Then Trump was the subject of threads about his looks and other petty things. Now he's moved on to Dr. Yummy, and since he can't attack his looks, he is scrabbling for ANYTHING to try to make into something. Really beternnun? After ALL the **** you demoslops do??? When ALL of the stinking anti-American pig demos should be in prison, you try to make something out of nothing about Carson and other Republicans? Just like that lame thread about $60,000 over a seven year timespan to go to prayer breakfasts? As I said, had they spent it on learning how to make OUR public schools more muslim friendly you would be PRAISING it. I wonder how much they have spent on that sort of garbage??

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More ranting irrelevancy from Bestworking who, of course, never focuses on one or a few persons or groups and always offers rational, balanced, objective commentary.  I learned about all those desirable attributes of Best's just after seeing pigs fly by and learning that hell has been converted to an ice-skating rink. 

Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by Contendahh:
Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by Contendahh:
Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by Contendahh:
Originally Posted by direstraits:

Dr. Carson may have erred in contributing to the PBS video.  Since then, he has backed off contributing to another video. 

 

The second question, unanswered, is why PBS, was involved in broadcasting the video.

____

Its this the video you mean--where he goes on  and on about the supposed benefits of the quack remedy he is shilling for?

 

https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/s...BPremium&iscqry=

__________________________________________________________________

Broadcast tax free on the publicly supported station.

 ____

PBS provides all kinds of news coverage, and this is newsworthy, as indicated by widespread coverage across all media the last couple of days.  Tax free status has absolutely no relevance in the matter any more than does any  other coverage of political matters on PBS. You stretch absurdly to form a pitifully weak objection.

_____________________________________________________________________

Regular broadcasting stations, not cable, are subject to FCC regulation to include false information/  And, you still do not see the problem? 

 

Baptists are blind to fellow parishioners at the liquor store.  Liberals are blind to anything that disturbs their world view.

 ____

I am not blind, and I have seen no "false testimony," so your take is irrelevant.

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If not blind, certainly myopic.  Dr. Carson makes a video about a product you consider snake oil and start this thread rant.  PBS broadcasts the video, which you now say is false testimony.  Caotenduhh, you're like the pup that chased and bit his tail -- can't understand why its hurting.

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My introductory post on this issue was prompted by Carson's debate comments denying his well-documented relationship with Mannatech.  I was not prompted by the PBS piece as you ignorantly imply.

 

Once more you ignore a salient fact, namely that in that PBS clip, Carson is being interviewed by a officer of the Mannatech company, the company that the Attorney General of Texas brought legal action against for all kinds of fraud and misrepresentation.

 

PBS' program simply helps document the indisputable fact that Carson willingly identified himself with a company that is has been shown to be a falsifier of medical information against which successful legal action has been brought to punish said company for its misrepresentation of its quack products. 

 

 

 

 

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