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We have a corporate establishment whose greed is destroying our economy, a political establishment which is beholden to billionaires and a media establishment which largely ignores the major issues facing working families. We need a political revolution.

                  Sen. Bernie Sanders (I- Vt.)

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Margaret Thatcher once said:
I would much prefer to bring them down as soon as possible. I think they've made the biggest financial mess that any government's ever made in this country for a very long time, and Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them. They then start to nationalise everything, and people just do not like more and more nationalisation, and they're now trying to control everything by other means. They're progressively reducing the choice available to ordinary people.
 
Now, once more, what did I post that is not true? I agree with her.
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Originally Posted by jtdavis:

Best, Dire and Teyates, I'm pretty sure you are smarter than these posts. What happened?

JT, I just copy what crazy old Bernie stated:

 

"You can't just continue growth for the sake of growth in a world in which we are struggling with climate change and all kinds of environmental problems. All right? You don't necessarily need a choice of 23 underarm spray deodorants or of 18 different pairs of sneakers when children are hungry in this country"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...g-americas-children/

 

That is an illustration of a mindset that desires central planning -- which always leads to shortages and starvation for all.

 

 

 

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What a pack of losers the Dems are fielding!

 

Ice Queen Hillary, who has failed spectacularly in every position she has held, with the exception of the Clinton Foundation.  Its hoovered up funds from gullible rich lefties who actually may believe they are helping someone, besides the Clintons.

 

Martin O'Malley, former mayor of Baltimore.  With 35,000 abandoned buildings, there is no shortage of available housing and sites for businesses -- if the thugs don't burn the place down first.  If, you like what he's done to Baltimore, you'll love what he'd do to the USA.

 

Bernie Sanders -- see above.  I'm throwing out my Vermont maple syrup and buying from New Hampshire from now on -- there must be something in the stuff from New Hampshire's evil twin.

I most certainly did reply to the quote. Maybe you should read it all again.

 

 

We have a corporate establishment whose greed is destroying our economy, a political establishment which is beholden to billionaires and a media establishment which largely ignores the major issues facing working families. We need a political revolution.

                  Sen. Bernie Sanders (I- Vt.

The reply to his quote. He's a socialist. He wants a socialist government.

 Ah but Bernie-

 Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them. They then start to nationalise everything, and people just do not like more and more nationalisation, and they're now trying to control everything by other means. They're progressively reducing the choice available to ordinary people.

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OK, that was a M Thatcher quote? I think, what Bernie was referring to was greed and money privilege. The government does not need to set pay rates, but corporate greed forces them to set a minimum wage. Traditionally, when worker productivity goes up, worker and CEO pay would go up.  That quit happening 30 or 40 years ago. Worker productivity has gone up, union membership has gone down and worker wages haven't gone up. The CEO pay has gone through the roof. If the workers ask for more of the profits, the plant moves to cheaper labor and the CEO gets another raise. The cheap overseas labor has not necessarily given the consumer lower prices. About 10 years ago, I was shopping for a pair of work boots. Being unsure of sizes, two pair was brought out, one was "made in USA", the other was "made in China". The price on each was $105. So much for saving the consumer money.

Curb corporate greed, get news services to report the news, and get the unlimited money out of politics (both sides)

Unions helped put factories out of business in the US and caused others to leave. So what's your beef? Buy the made in china stuff and sthu. It's what you wanted or should have expected when the union thugs kept extorting companies. Curb UNION greed. Oh, you don't want to hear that do you? I don't care what bernie was referring to, he's still a socialist, and the quote is spot on.

JT,

Look at the recent news out of Carolina with regards to the new automobile plant being built there.  The company, though they are not admitting it in public, specifically chose that location for two reasons. First it got incentives to come there from the state. Second, the state is right to work state.  All of these companies which employ large numbers are setting up shop in areas like this.  We have many examples here in Alabama. The UAW and its cohorts are fighting mad and spending millions of your dollars trying to organize these companies, and the employees are turning them down. For too many years the jobs went offs**** because the unions were forcing too much from the companies. I remember in the 1970's when you could buy a new car off the lot for $4000, and now that same vehicle will costs you $40,000. Exorbitant pensions, CEO costs, and employee benefits demanded by the unions drove those jobs offs****, despite what you may have been told down at the union hall. Yes, the CEOs are being paid too much, but much of their compensation comes from stock options and if the company does not do well those options are not worth much. In any case, what we see now is that the employees are learning, and they are telling the unions to go to hell.  Why should they give money to the union bosses when they are not going to get any more than they are making now? Why give a big chunk of change to the local union hall who then sends it out of state to fund trips for the union bosses and other amentities, when that money can be kept in their own pockets.

Detroit is drying up. Home prices are rock bottom and the city is broke, and they only have one major group to blame.  The socialist unions who put them under now want to the same for the southern state that have attracted what they once had, and squandered.

 Exorbitant pensions, CEO costs, and employee benefits demanded by the unions drove those jobs offs****, despite what you may have been told down at the union hall. Yes, the CEOs are being paid too much,

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Teyates, do you know what an automotive worker in the UAW makes? Hint, it isn't $70 per hour like the news reported. Do you know what the average automotive CEO gets? Hint, it's a lot more than $70 per hour.  How much did the price of a car make with third world labor go down? Do you know what the average labor cost in the average car is? I cannot prove this, but about 15 years ago, a Ford Taurus took 17 hours. Can you move to a third world country to save $1190 minus third world labor costs?

 

Originally Posted by direstraits:

Once the employee's overhead is included, the $70 an hour isn't unreasonable. Add in employer's portion of social security and medicare, unemployment insurance, medical insurance, life insurance, and any other benefits.

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So you are advocating that Americans should end up working for starvation wages. Do you know what that is called ? - SLAVERY.  I prefer liberty.

What an azz.

 

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Dang these ahem, 'progressives' are strange. I read and read Dire's post and couldn't find anywhere he advocated people working for 'starvation wages'. Slavery? When people rely on the 'massa'/government to house and feed, medicate them, and get angry if anyone suggests they try working for a living is the slavery. Voluntarily giving themselves and their children over to slavery, and even gladly paying for being/staying enslaved by voting for democraps.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by direstraits:

Once the employee's overhead is included, the $70 an hour isn't unreasonable. Add in employer's portion of social security and medicare, unemployment insurance, medical insurance, life insurance, and any other benefits.

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So you are advocating that Americans should end up working for starvation wages. Do you know what that is called ? - SLAVERY.  I prefer liberty.

What an azz.

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I point out that the $70 per hour, which JT declared to not be true, could easily be explained.  Then, seeweed exclaims I am in favor of slavery and starvation wages.  Anyone who would deduce that statement from my explanation must have no idea how to make a logical argument, is a complete and utter idiot or is a demagogue.  Take your pick.

 

Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by direstraits:

Once the employee's overhead is included, the $70 an hour isn't unreasonable. Add in employer's portion of social security and medicare, unemployment insurance, medical insurance, life insurance, and any other benefits.

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So you are advocating that Americans should end up working for starvation wages. Do you know what that is called ? - SLAVERY.  I prefer liberty.

What an azz.

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I point out that the $70 per hour, which JT declared to not be true, could easily be explained.  Then, seeweed exclaims I am in favor of slavery and starvation wages.  Anyone who would deduce that statement from my explanation must have no idea how to make a logical argument, is a complete and utter idiot or is a demagogue.  Take your pick.

 

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What I read in your reply, is that you favor work for less laws, not for higher wages.

If I misread your intent, I apologize. 

 

Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by direstraits:

Once the employee's overhead is included, the $70 an hour isn't unreasonable. Add in employer's portion of social security and medicare, unemployment insurance, medical insurance, life insurance, and any other benefits.

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So you are advocating that Americans should end up working for starvation wages. Do you know what that is called ? - SLAVERY.  I prefer liberty.

What an azz.

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I point out that the $70 per hour, which JT declared to not be true, could easily be explained.  Then, seeweed exclaims I am in favor of slavery and starvation wages.  Anyone who would deduce that statement from my explanation must have no idea how to make a logical argument, is a complete and utter idiot or is a demagogue.  Take your pick.

 

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What I read in your reply, is that you favor work for less laws, not for higher wages.

If I misread your intent, I apologize. 

 

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I have no problem with people making more money, if their employer can afford it and the worker's labors produce a profit beyond expenses of the company.  To deduce anything beyond that is illogical  -- I award you three Spock's ears.

Originally Posted by jtdavis:

Once the employee's overhead is included, the $70 an hour isn't unreasonable. 

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Put some numbers on it, not words. How much does insurance and retirement cost per hour?

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JT, I have no idea what was charged, nor the base pay. I'm certainly not going to waste my time in such an attempt.  I gave you a reason that employee costs can be much more than simply pay. 

Originally Posted by jtdavis:

Dire, when Daimler bought Chrysler, there was a lot of Chrysler management that left. The reason was compensation. The Chrysler boss made 15 million, the Daimler boss made 5 million. In Germany, the boss made less than an american boss and the German worker made more than the american worker. 

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And, this has to do with what?  Was the Chrysler boss's pay in dollars or include stock options?  If so, he lost his shirt, German workers make more, but keep less. The German income taxes and social welfare taxes are horrendous.  Its not just what you  make, but what you take home.

Put some numbers on it, not words. How much does insurance and retirement cost per hour?

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Why don't YOU put some numbers on it?

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Where I retired from, the medical insurance for the family plan that I had was $1450 per month. Thats about $10 per hour. How much is a pension? Maybe 5 to 10 dollars per hour? What else?

Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

 

Put some numbers on it, not words. How much does insurance and retirement cost per hour?

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Why don't YOU put some numbers on it?

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Typical Democrat -- wanting someone else to do the work.

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Wanting you to hire TWO of them to do the work of one, and pay them 3 times what the job is worth, then they take two days to do a three hour job.

 

Originally Posted by jtdavis:

Put some numbers on it, not words. How much does insurance and retirement cost per hour?

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Why don't YOU put some numbers on it?

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Where I retired from, the medical insurance for the family plan that I had was $1450 per month. Thats about $10 per hour. How much is a pension? Maybe 5 to 10 dollars per hour? What else?

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You tell us.

 

Typical Democrat -- wanting someone else to do the work.

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Dire, in my life time, I've done more work by accident than you have on purpose. Don't post one of those smart a-- answers about by accident and on purpose either, you know what I mean. I was out in the weather, dirt, mud, in holes, up hundreds of feet, in all kinds of places. You were in a climate controlled office doing some kind of bookkeeper work. 

 

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