Best/Favorite Television Series

So many years so many shows, some last a long time others not so much and some end before we're ready.  So many classics but for me I love comedies so my list of the best of the best (not in any specific order though)

  1. The Big Bang Theory (the only currently running series I enjoy & follow)
  2. Cheers  
  3. Frasier   
  4. Seinfeld
  5. Married With Children  (last two seasons not as much as earlier ones)
  6. M*A*S*H (best up until Larry Linville (Frank Burns) left the show)
  7. Night Court (liked the ones with Markie Post (Christine Sullivan) best)  

 

I know there are plenty of other good shows such as Friends, Beverly Hillbillies, Andy Griffith Show, I love Lucy, All in the Family, Sex and the City, Mike & Molly, The Office, 30 Rock, How I met your Mother, Will & Grace, Modern Family and many others but the seven I listed above are my personal favorites enough that I spend time watching the re-runs and have purchased episodes to watch as I can and want.  

Shows like The Simpson's, Family Guy, American Dad and South Park, although quite popular with many, I just never did care for, like, or consider them funny and that includes Curb your enthusiasm.  I also never really followed or liked Saturday Night Live, maybe a little too political for me but just didn't care too much for it although I did enjoy and like many of the comedians that came from the SNL shows.

Although not a series or comedy series I also loved and enjoyed the Tonight Show when it was Johnny Carson on it.  Never really did like Jay Leno's version of it.  I also tried to catch ever episode of Dean Martin's Celebrity Roast but left the Celebrity Roast and Carson's Tonight Show off the list because they weren't sitcom's or series shows in the same sense as the ones I listed above.

Be as the Bereans ( Acts 17:11 )
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Some of the best of the lot...

Rouge---shades of blue---outsiders---Gomorrah---blind spot--the son

black list---orphan black---killjoys---12 monkeys---animal kingdom

black flags--- colony---magicians---mercedes---sinner---Versailles..

GB, Frasier or Seinfeld were OK for a few times, but that list,
no wonder you mostly dine out.
Bestworking posted:

Gotta say, surprised by a religious person watching Married with Children, and even calling it a favorite. And calling sex and the city (or as we call it, three old broads looking to get laid) good? Wow, you surprised me. Most of your list surprises me.

I have no problem with Married with Children and I'm not a judgmental person although I have been judged by many.  Each person is accountable for themselves, and answer for themselves.  I call it one of my favorite because I watch it quite often and find it humorous.  I do know there was a call by some to boycott it but I don't really remember the reason for it.  I also don't think it's representative of any typical family either but it's written to be humorous and satirical .  If, though, I had a problem with it I wouldn't have watched it and I'm also not a person that says one thing and does another.  If I like something I say it and if I don't like something I say I don't like it and why, if ask.  Actually, I suppose, most any one of those on my list of 7 could be considered secular or having secular or anti-Christian content at one time or another.  If you want to go around life hyper critical then you're going to have a miserable life.  Knowing what's important to your own future state is what's most important for anyone, in my own opinion, mind you.

If a Christian was to avoid all that is considered sinful or distasteful then they never would go out of their house or turn on a TV.  

 

Kraven posted:

Some of the best of the lot...

Rouge---shades of blue---outsiders---Gomorrah---blind spot--the son

black list---orphan black---killjoys---12 monkeys---animal kingdom

black flags--- colony---magicians---mercedes---sinner---Versailles..

GB, Frasier or Seinfeld were OK for a few times, but that list,
no wonder you mostly dine out.

Whew, I read again that initial post and let me restate one thing.  When I said "I know there are other good shows" followed by a list I didn't mean that I thought all of them are good but a better choice of words would surely been popular rather than good.  Some on the list I do consider good but I only mentioned the 7 because those are the only ones I ever care to watch the re-runs of.  

 "If you want to go around life hyper critical then you're going to have a miserable life.  Knowing what's important to your own future state is what's most important for anyone, in my own opinion, mind you".

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Imagine that. Not liking a show that has no message except peggy wants al to screw her, but he's too busy panting after other women, the young daughter is a ****, and the very young boy is always looking for a way to see naked women, or feel up women, or have sex with women, means a person is hyper critical and has a miserable life. No gb, it means so much for the idea atheists don't have morals and good taste, and some professed christians don't have the morals they claim. Sex and the city was nothing but more of the same thing, four women looking for sex and not caring where they got it. That's it, the entire premise of the show, and it was as distasteful as it sounds. My kids were not allowed to watch them, among other things. Some things people, especially parents, should be hyper critical about, and trash shows are one of those things.

  1. The Big Bang Theory (the only currently running series I enjoy & follow)-Got stale and unfunny around the 5th year.
  2. Cheers-Jumped the shark early on. Dianne and Sam's on again and off again romance became tiresome, as did Carla's smarta** hateful mouth.
  3. Frasier-Boring from debut to end.  
  4. Seinfeld-Unfunny and a show only the parents could love. The only good part was when they were all sent to prison, deservedly, for being major SOBs.
  5. Married With Children  (last two seasons not as much as earlier ones)-Sophomoric humor and discussed earlier.
  6. M*A*S*H (best up until Larry Linville (Frank Burns) left the show)-Ran to long and became a soapbox for Alda's liberal rants.
  7. Night Court (liked the ones with Markie Post (Christine Sullivan) best)-Sophomoric humor, never funny.

The Chase

Chopped

Chopped Jr.

Worst Cooks

Cook or Con

Cake/Cupcake Wars

Beat Bobby Flay

Kindred Spirits

Ghost Adventures

American Monster

Homicide Hunter: Joe Kenda

Plus many more, but ALL without a frustrated wife trying to bed her own husband, or women and kids frantically running around looking for sex anywhere they can find it. Christina Applegate was 15 years old when she got the role of ****ty daughter Kelly Bundy.

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To each their own and because there are so many various likes there are plenty of channels to cater to specific taste.  As for Married with Children I don't take it near as seriously and critical as you.  The show centers around AL a man who lives in the past years of his high school fame finding ways to avoid his wife for a host of reasons.  Yes the daughter is played to be loose and dumb as a rock and the boy/son played out to be a normal adolescent boy thinking he's more than he is and looking to be a stud but ends up portrayed as a dud.  

The whole thing is totally satire meant for humor not to send subtle messages and attempt to influence people.  It's meant for entertainment and was such an ultra low budget show to the point of being ridiculous in the amount Fox would a allow per episode yet it became Fox's top show.  Ironically Fox's top and most popular show only after the woman called for a boycott as she took it far too serious herself or was offended at it.  The great thing about Television is if you don't like it you don't have to watch it and can change channels.  As for me I enjoy each of those I mentioned and although some are very sophomoric type humor they at times bring a laugh to me and frankly I enjoy it when that happens so for me I watch what I want.  

Some shows though I choose not to watch mainly because of the amount of ridicule and abuse toward Christians or religious people or toward God or I may not care for the language used or the political under tones in the show.  As I said people don't like something they can turn it off and tune it out.  If though they find something that brings them some enjoyment or escape from the stresses of the day then great for them.  I still go back to the point that there are unfortunately many people that either can't help themselves or it's just ingrained in them that they are hyper judgmental and can't help but concern themselves with other people more than their own selves and for them I can't imagine how much opportunity for happiness they rob themselves of.  

Life on this earth is very short, even if someone lives to over 100, and the more stress a person an avoid the better (I believe) their life will be.  Like many things in life anything can be taken in many varied ways.  Some will be critical others will be unmoved and uncaring.  People are different and as I said earlier we are only responsible for our own selves.  

Christ (Jesus/Yeshua) came NOT to Judge people or condemn people but rather to explain and demonstrate God's Love and Mercy and Grace unto mankind as a testimony that God indeed exist, is real, is present and available unto those who seek Him.   God's very Spirit came unto mankind becoming fleshly man from His Spirit existence, and in Love not Judgment.   I BELIEVE WE (Speaking for myself only mind you) should mirror that purpose and that cause and thus not be judge toward others but rather through our lives and our experiences testify of God's great love given unto us and what that has done for our own lives.   Sad thing is so many feel they are to judge everyone and tell people how they should live and that was never assigned unto mankind to do.   A person doesn't have to be religious or a Christian for them to be judgmental or hyper critical of their fellow man/human either.  That is my opinion though and worth extremely little  but I'm happy with it and try and respect those and anyone who might disagree.

"I still go back to the point that there are unfortunately many people that either can't help themselves or it's just ingrained in them that they are hyper judgmental and can't help but concern themselves with other people more than their own selves and for them I can't imagine how much opportunity for happiness they rob themselves of".

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Really? Because they dare disagree with you? MWC was pure garbage. You need to lighten up. You do know you are doing just what you claim you don't do? You're being judgemental and hyper-hypocritical.

Gifted, are you saying there are not people out there that live their lives always being critical of everyone and everything as if they are somehow appointed to be God's judges?   Who make judgments about others based on what they choose to watch or where they go or what they do, or what they eat or drink or what they wear?   Sometimes it's taken to extremes and often it is in the religious community that you find it happening but I'm not trying to apply that to anyone in here or I would have said so. 

In one instance, I know of, a neighbor of mine, years ago stopped associating with another neighbor just because he chose to cut his yard on Sundays.  The neighbor said this person was breaking the Sabbath and he judged him on that and as a result condemned him to others in the neighborhood and vowed not to associate with such a person.  Similar things happen with regards to a host of other things and I'm just trying to say I believe it's wrong to do so, but it does happen with various people and often with the most trivial of things.  Then again what's small to one may be a big thing to another.   

My remarks about it though  was speaking generally and not toward  any specific person on, or in the forum here.  With regards to your opinion about MWC I fully accept that it is garbage, from your perspective, and I'm not trying to defend it or say it's not risqué but it is satire and meant to be entertainment nor am I saying that your wrong.  As I told Best, if you or anyone else considers it garbage then it's easy to turn it off and in fact not being on anymore you actually have to try and find it if you want to watch it or buy it on DVD.  

I do respect your right to disagree, to call it garbage, and  to voice your opinion about it being trash and junk.  You have that right and there are also others that do agree with you.   I am though wondering why you are replying to me as if I have somehow insinuated something about you, or anyone else on here as being that judgmental or hyper critical because that was not directed toward you or anyone else here.  Again I have no doubt MWC is garbage to you and I'm sure to many others that share the same opinion and that's okay and valid for you and them.  I'm just saying I find it amusing and comical and so I make a choice to watch it and there are obviously many others that also find it amusing and entertainment, as it was designed to be.   

Gifted, are you saying there are not people out there that live their lives always being critical of everyone and everything as if they are somehow appointed to be God's judges?   

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I'm sorry but your posts are so long I didn't finish it. What I am saying is, you made a thread, you got a response you didn't like so you, in effect, called the poster hyper critical and judgemental. As I posted, the show was garbage, and I don't blame any parent for banning it their home. A 15 year old girl, dressed and made up like a tramp, with grown men whooping, cat calling, and whistling is just not some peoples' idea of entertainment. I'd go as far as to say, no normal person that is. That is MY opinion, and now you can call me judgemental.

Yes gb, I posted a response. I said I was surprised at a so called religious person calling such trash tv "best" or a "favorite". That put your nose out of joint. I really don't care. As I stated, parents better be hyper critical when it involves children, especially their own. I won't apologize for not letting the filth come into my home, so feel free to call me anything you want. On the flip side, I could say that I'd rather be hyper critical than an old perv panting over a half naked 15 year old kid. I could, but I won't.

 

 

Just for the record I didn't get my nose out of joint, I'm not offended by anything anyone has said.  Please note my initial reply:

"I have no problem with Married with Children and I'm not a judgmental person although I have been judged by many. Each person is accountable for themselves, and answer for themselves. I call it one of my favorite because I watch it quite often and find it humorous.  I do know there was a call by some to boycott it but I don't really remember the reason for it."

From the beginning I was referencing the woman who called for a boycott trying to get the show eliminated from Fox while she didn't have to view it in the first place.  I can't remember why she did what she did but my point was that there are some people that cannot let others alone but have to meddle in everyone's business and are hyper judgmental and critical.   I did not mean to apply that remark to anyone on here at all.   While I also did post following up Best comment my statement wasn't about you and I'm wondering why you might have taken it that way.  I only mentioned Religion in the comment because one many that are judgmental do fall into that category and I think that doesn't benefit Christians any when it comes to attempts to interact with non-Christians but only throws up barriers and walls.  

At no point did I address anyone in here applying terms to them other than to say that it's everyone's right to turn the station and I also acknowledged that many do consider the show as garbage, trash, and such and I didn't try and say you were wrong, just that people differ in their opinions and each has their own reason for their own feelings.  I thought it was apparent but I suppose it had to be said to alleviate misconceptions.  As for the long post I'm guilty of those but that doesn't change the fact that I wasn't referring to anyone on this forum nor did I mean or intend to offend any but it seems I did.   Nor am I nor did I get upset at any reply.  I did not refer to you Gifted or Best as judgmental or hyper critical and why you (Best) feel I got my nose out of joint at you I have no idea.  Are you expecting something to be said?  Sorry to disappoint for I didn't so you can get.  

Granted I could have potentially put more emphasis that my comments, about critical and being judgmental, toward the one who protested the show and called for the boycott but I thought I cleared that up in later post  I just meant to say if a person doesn't like it they should turn it off rather than try and get the show banned for everyone, even the ones that like it and aren't bothered by it.

Hopefully this post ends all the misconception but if you still won't take my personal word as saying I'm not upset, did not get my nose out of joint at anyone on the forum, nor was I referring to anyone here on the forum.   There is nothing more I can do I'll just have to live with people's misconceptions and lack of extending to me the benefit of the doubt.   My reason for starting the topic, in the entertainment section, in the first place was there is so much arguing and griping and jabbing at each other on other forums such as news, political and Religion I was trying to just express some of the things I found entertainment in or shows I got a laugh at.   Apparently though it is getting more and more impossible to avoid conflict on here.  Either, apparently, it's expected or anticipated and the only way to insure no one gets upset is just not say anything anymore.  

She had every right to object to the show. It is filthy, and back then when people had better morals it was upsetting to some. Why would you say those things about her because of it? Avoid conflict? So, any opposing views are conflict, and you, like most on here, only want replies that agree with you? I was not out of line, I said your choice of shows surprised me, since you have always professed to be a Christian. So just who is the "you" you were replying to? ("If you want to go around life hyper critical then you're going to have a miserable life"). 

I have noticed that the men on here can take opposition from other men a lot better than from women. The exceptions being Dire and Kraven. First the delicate flower that got all offended by the word b***, called it nasty, which it isn't. I was the one that put the word in asterisks, not the site. Jt has cried forever when I or Kraven disputed something or disagreed with him, calling it attacking him when in reality it is he that name calls and attacks after getting caught in one of his many lies. Of course I'm going to give it back to him. The other poster made a statement about the area that I disagreed with and felt was false, got peeved at me for saying I had never heard of anyone having that experience and there we went. I see you choose to take that route too.  

Bestworking posted:

She had every right to object to the show. It is filthy, and back then when people had better morals it was upsetting to some. Why would you say those things about her because of it? Avoid conflict? So, any opposing views are conflict, and you, like most on here, only want replies that agree with you? I was not out of line, I said your choice of shows surprised me, since you have always professed to be a Christian. So just who is the "you" you were replying to? ("If you want to go around life hyper critical then you're going to have a miserable life"). 

I have noticed that the men on here can take opposition from other men a lot better than from women. The exceptions being Dire and Kraven. First the delicate flower that got all offended by the word b***, called it nasty, which it isn't. I was the one that put the word in asterisks, not the site. Jt has cried forever when I or Kraven disputed something or disagreed with him, calling it attacking him when in reality it is he that name calls and attacks after getting caught in one of his many lies. Of course I'm going to give it back to him. The other poster made a statement about the area that I disagreed with and felt was false, got peeved at me for saying I had never heard of anyone having that experience and there we went. I see you choose to take that route too.  

She did have the right to object but as I understood it she wanted to stop the show and cancel it.  In other words she wasn't happy objecting to it or turning the channel she wanted to make the decision for everyone and it's that what I was commenting on.  The statement you bolded I did make, I did say  "you"  it was meant in general and not specifically to you and I in later statements attempted to clarify that, attempted to restate I didn't address it to you,  YET ONE MORE TIME I will repeat/paste what I said above :

I'm not upset, did not get my nose out of joint at anyone on the forum, nor was I referring to anyone here on the forum. "

I thought that was fairly clear and precise.   What I said, about being critical,  I believe to be correct and that is that hyper critical people (religious or not) usually go around life being miserable and if they aren't miserable then they make others miserable for they never can be satisfied with anything.

Where in the forums, please cite the reference, did I ever indicate or state, as you said it above "So, any opposing views are conflict, and you, like most on here, only want replies that agree with you?"  That is an impression you have regarding me but that simply isn't true, never has been nor is now and I believe those on here who have followed my post in any forum knows that is not true as well.  Also who (never mind who, where did I) said you were out of line saying what you said, not me?  Also what, in your mind, is a Christian supposed to do?  Nothing but be in prayer all day, never watch TV? never go to movies? eat only certain things?  Christians are JUST LIKE (ALIKE) all other people (non-Christians) the only difference is the decision they make, their future (after death) state, and God has given unto them His Holy Spirit dwelling within their bodies along with their inner spirit/soul"  Other than that they are exactly like every one else and able to make the same mistakes, do the same things, and appear exactly the same. 

As for what people watch I'm fairly sure that if truth be known many Christians (professing or not) watch far worse than MWC or any other on my list and you won't find them listing everything they allow to happen or everything they watch.  I believe and take you at your word that my list did surprise you but that is more a reflection of what you personally believe a Christian, in your mind, should do than it is of what is Biblically permissible for believers.  

1 Corinthians 10:23 (NIV)
23 "Everything is permissible"--but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible"--but not everything is constructive.

 I'm not trying to get you  to agree with me, you can have your own views. I'd much rather not debate or argue this but rather just discuss what various people like in the Entertainment industry and various TV Shows.  I was actually trying to avoid the usual drama that is so pervasive on here.  Again I'm not offended at your response, I understand it.  I'm though not going to lay back and not address things that I'm labeled with that is incorrect and untrue.  I'd expect the same from you or any other forum member.

To me the meaning is derived from the context that the verse is contained within.  A companion section could be Romans 14 where the Apostle discusses "debatable things".   

To me the instructions, in the scripture, come from Paul unto the Church and deals with certain things that various people, Christians, considered as sinful yet Paul knew were allowed under Grace and Christ New Covenant.  For instance Jews had a great many dietary restrictions about what you could or could not eat, but Christ had taught that as a Christian they were not obligated to those dietary laws.  They could eat anything that they wanted, unless it was meat offered to idols, but not all their decisions made in Christian freedom are beneficial.  

I believe Paul expands that thought, and Christian freedom discussion, in Romans chapter 14 where it also expands the instructions to the Christian about how they should do when they dine with people that don't believe they have these freedoms.  Paul says not to allow our Christian freedoms to hurt or harm those that are weaker in the faith.  

The application I would make is regarding strictly the debatable things and not those things that are definite sins.  In other words some people don't believe any Christian should allow alcohol to touch their lips while other's have no problem with alcohol as long as they don't get or promote getting drunk.  What the verse does not say or should not be used for is making excuses to sin or violate God's laws to all believers.  There is no question murder/killing is a sin, adultery, sexual sins, lying, and many other things those are not within our Christian liberties but other things such as Circumcision or dietary concerns, smoking, drinking etc are left to the discretion of the Christian and if a Christian is to live in love toward their fellow brothers then they are not to allow their understanding of their freedoms to be the downfall of their weaker Christian brother/sister.    

Hope I was able to explain my position adequately.  I'll also qualify that as to say Paul was addressing it primarily to the new Gentile Christians who were not contractually obligated between them and God.  For instance Gentiles are not held to the Sabbath laws that Jewish believers are held to under their Exodus 31 covenant with God regarding the 7th (Sabbath) day.   Again it deals with debatable things and not definite commands and sins.  It's not a license for the Christian to deliberately sin saying there will be no consequences.  Many try and make that application but it's not there for that.   Also our Christian freedoms should be constructive and not used to tear another down or cause another Christian to violate what they believe is wrong due to their Christian immaturity or lack of Christian maturity.  Not everything is beneficial in other words.   In 1 Corinthians it specifically relates to dietary regulations and eating meat (other than meat meant for idols which is taboo) but Romans 14 expands the thinking and is also a passage by Paul and I believe is a companion to this passage.

 

giftedamateur posted:

I just cannot read those long posts, but GB, are you actually trying to use the Bible to say watching trash TV is OK? 

No I'm not.  The passage deals with dietary rules/laws.   

Now a question for you.  Are you saying that a Christian cannot, or should, not watch Television?   I believe that depending on the person, as each person is different, something objectionable or trashy or sacrilegious can be found in most any Television program or series if you listen long enough.  So are you saying that it's a sin to watch Television in order to hopefully find some humor or something funny?   How a bout movies?  How about comedy concerts, stand up comedy.   

One other follow-up question

Just what exactly, in your mind, makes MWC Trashy?   Do you believe it's a sin to watch MWC?  If so why and what's the sin?   I'm not saying you are not justified in not liking it, considering it trashy or for not wanting to watch it.  

What I am saying is that based upon your judgment of what the show is I feel you are making determinations about me because I can or do find some humor in the satirical show and I'm just asking ... am I wrong?  And Why?

 

gbrk posted:
giftedamateur posted:

I just cannot read those long posts, but GB, are you actually trying to use the Bible to say watching trash TV is OK? 

No I'm not.  The passage deals with dietary rules/laws.   

Now a question for you.  Are you saying that a Christian cannot, or should, not watch Television?   I believe that depending on the person, as each person is different, something objectionable or trashy or sacrilegious can be found in most any Television program or series if you listen long enough.  So are you saying that it's a sin to watch Television in order to hopefully find some humor or something funny?   How a bout movies?  How about comedy concerts, stand up comedy.   

gbrk posted:
giftedamateur posted:

I just cannot read those long posts, but GB, are you actually trying to use the Bible to say watching trash TV is OK? 

No I'm not.  The passage deals with dietary rules/laws.   

Now a question for you.  Are you saying that a Christian cannot, or should, not watch Television?   I believe that depending on the person, as each person is different, something objectionable or trashy or sacrilegious can be found in most any Television program or series if you listen long enough.  So are you saying that it's a sin to watch Television in order to hopefully find some humor or something funny?   How a bout movies?  How about comedy concerts, stand up comedy.   

Where did I or anyone say anything that could be twisted into me saying a Christian shouldn't watch TV ? I don't care what you do. I'm laughing at you for trying to make excuses for watching trash TV. Watch, enjoy a half naked 15 year old bouncing around, enjoy a woman trying to get her husband to **** her while he runs after other women. Enjoy the dirty jokes. I never saw humor in any of it. To me it's lowrent.

Kraven posted:

Some of the best of the lot...

Rouge---shades of blue---outsiders---Gomorrah---blind spot--the son

black list---orphan black---killjoys---12 monkeys---animal kingdom

black flags--- colony---magicians---mercedes---sinner---Versailles..

GB, Frasier or Seinfeld were OK for a few times, but that list,
no wonder you mostly dine out.

What are those before Seinfeld and Frasier?

Okay I'm glad that wasn't what you were saying.  I'm not making any excuses for watching it I'm just saying that I find some humor in some of the episodes where a man in his older years, trying to regain his high school youth, is always smacked down by reality.  The dumber than a rock daughter is more a distraction than an attraction, at least to me.  The humor I find is in the facial expressions of Al more than anything.  The, totally unrealistic wife , Peg, is more an irritation (to me) as much as Edith was on "All in the Family" with her shrill voice.  

I totally detest the newest comedy that Ed O'Neil is in, Modern Family, and never watch it although I'm sure there are comic moments in it also.  In mentioning MWC I was just being honest.  The only time I responded was because, or to say, that because I choose to watch it doesn't mean I'm not a Christian either.  ( AND NO ... Best ... I'm not saying that is what you said )  If Best, you, or others are surprised that a Christian watches MWC I can understand that but I'm just replying that I do find some comic moments in it so that's why I watch it.  All the other stuff was my fault by using generalities around the woman who tried to get the show cancelled because she was upset at it and not my trying to justify it.  My apologies if I thought or wrongly assumed, that is the direction you were going with your question .. "are you actually trying to use the Bible to say watching trash TV is OK?"    

You've been around long enough to know there are people who use the Bible to say a myriad of things are wrong and/or right and many of them don't know what they are talking about but attempt to use the Bible for their agenda.  I'm not trying to be defensive either because frankly I don't feel I've done anything wrong.  For those who are surprised a Christian might find comedy in MWC I'll just say I am and I do, again no offense either way.

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