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<<<<Theocracy Alert: Conservative Christian Republicans committed to the false notion that the U.S. is a nation founded by and for Christians are quietly working behind the scenes to establish Christianity as the official religion of the U.S.A.

 

Right Wing Watch reports the Republican National Committee continues to partner with the American Renewal Project, which is run by Christian Nationalist and anti-gay extremist David Lane and is affiliated with the powerful and influential far-right American Family Association.

In an email alert sent to American Renewal Project supporters earlier this week, Lane reiterated the call to establish Christianity as the official religion of America:

The American church has lost its commission in the public square, its purpose for being. Ultimately, unless we find the chart and compass used by Colonial America to establish Christianity as the official religion of America, America will no longer be.

- See more at: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/p...dNKRCc.nsZCWA20.dpuf

 

De-e-e-s-gusting!  Roger Williams and Thomas Jefferson are spinning in their graves at 10,000 RPM!

 

I yam what I yam and that's all I yam--but it is enough!

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Originally Posted by Contendah:

like the despicable David Lane:

 

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/p...cial-religion-of-us/

 

<<<<Theocracy Alert: Conservative Christian Republicans committed to the false notion that the U.S. is a nation founded by and for Christians are quietly working behind the scenes to establish Christianity as the official religion of the U.S.A.

 

Right Wing Watch reports the Republican National Committee continues to partner with the American Renewal Project, which is run by Christian Nationalist and anti-gay extremist David Lane and is affiliated with the powerful and influential far-right American Family Association.

In an email alert sent to American Renewal Project supporters earlier this week, Lane reiterated the call to establish Christianity as the official religion of America:

The American church has lost its commission in the public square, its purpose for being. Ultimately, unless we find the chart and compass used by Colonial America to establish Christianity as the official religion of America, America will no longer be.

- See more at: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/p...dNKRCc.nsZCWA20.dpuf

 

De-e-e-s-gusting!  Roger Williams and Thomas Jefferson are spinning in their graves at 10,000 RPM!

 

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"anti-gay extremist David Lane"  Damm, Condie!  He sounds like your soul mate,.

That is all Best has to say...

 

Doesn't surprise me. She is so anti-religion yet can't see that the party she supports would treat her like a second class citizen for her non-belief. If they had it their way she would be forced to pray and live her life by the bible. Yet, she will vote for them every time. How can someone be so ignorant that they would vote against their own best interest? I think its fueled by hate. 

 

 

Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by Contendah:

like the despicable David Lane:

 

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/p...cial-religion-of-us/

 

<<<<Theocracy Alert: Conservative Christian Republicans committed to the false notion that the U.S. is a nation founded by and for Christians are quietly working behind the scenes to establish Christianity as the official religion of the U.S.A.

 

Right Wing Watch reports the Republican National Committee continues to partner with the American Renewal Project, which is run by Christian Nationalist and anti-gay extremist David Lane and is affiliated with the powerful and influential far-right American Family Association.

In an email alert sent to American Renewal Project supporters earlier this week, Lane reiterated the call to establish Christianity as the official religion of America:

The American church has lost its commission in the public square, its purpose for being. Ultimately, unless we find the chart and compass used by Colonial America to establish Christianity as the official religion of America, America will no longer be.

- See more at: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/p...dNKRCc.nsZCWA20.dpuf

 

De-e-e-s-gusting!  Roger Williams and Thomas Jefferson are spinning in their graves at 10,000 RPM!

 

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"anti-gay extremist David Lane"  Damm, Condie!  He sounds like your soul mate,.

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Funny isn't it?

Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

What about you Dire? Do you support this idea? Should Christianity be the national religion? Should we just throw the 1st amendment out and become a theocracy?

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silly Jank, first, the Republicans are a big tent and have been so for decades. It the Dems that see the Republicans like the blind men perceived an elephant,. If, some Republicans receive an atheist like Ayn Rand, why would Best not be welcome!

 

BTW, don't you think your above straw man has had the stuffing beaten out of him by now. You've been on him worse than the Witch in Oz after Scarecrow.  No national religion, nor throwing out the 1st amendment -- that's the Dems game. Would be nice to recognize the efforts of religious leaders (Christian and Jewish) in supporting, arguing for and financing the war for independence.

I ask you questions Dire. Where do you see a straw man argument? 

 

I'm sure there are more than a few atheist in the Republican camp. However, I question their intelligence also in supporting a party that pushes a theocratic government. When was the last time you saw a Democrat organization or political leader call for a national religion?

 

What religious leaders are you talking about and what war for independence? 

Last edited by Jankinonya
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

I ask you questions Dire. Where do you see a straw man argument? 

 

I'm sure there are more than a few atheist in the Republican camp. However, I question their intelligence also in supporting a party that pushes a theocratic government. When was the last time you saw a Democrat organization or political leader call for a national religion?

 

What religious leaders are you talking about and what war for independence? 

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I ask you questions Dire. Where do you see a straw man argument? 

 

This straw man “Should Christianity be the national religion?”   Where on any Republican national political platform is there a call for instituting any national religion?  What candidate that won a primary has called for such.  That one group of many who support the Republican party desires such does not make it policy.

 

Democrat supporting groups have called for military attending National Prayer Breakfasts to courts-martial.  Is that a Democrat national policy?

 

I'm sure there are more than a few atheist in the Republican camp. However, I question their intelligence also in supporting a party that pushes a theocratic government. When was the last time you saw a Democrat organization or political leader call for a national religion?

 

 Democrats, as creatures of the left, tend towards the cult of the personality.  Remember the paper mache Greek columns in Germany, the spotlights, and Obama’s ascent to the speaker’s box? Man was treated like a demigod or faux fuehrer.  Remember the hymns and hosannas to him by youth groups as if he were the messiah?

 

What religious leaders are you talking about and what war for independence? 

 

Jank I know Democrats are a bit slow on their history, but really!  American War of Independence (1775 to 1782).  I guess you slept during this session.  US broke away from the UK. 

 

Impact of Great Awakening

Main article: First Great Awakening

Dissenting (i.e. Protestant, non-Church of England) churches of the day were the "school of democracy."[102] President John Witherspoon of the College of New Jersey (now Princeton University) wrote widely circulated sermons linking the American Revolution to the teachings of the Hebrew Bible. Throughout the colonies, dissenting Protestant ministers (Congregationalist, Baptist, and Presbyterian) preached Revolutionary themes in their sermons, while most Church of England clergymen preached loyalty to the King.[103] Religious motivation for fighting tyranny reached across socioeconomic lines to encompass rich and poor, men and women, frontiersmen and townsmen, farmers and merchants.[102]

Historian Bernard Bailyn argues that the evangelicalism of the era challenged traditional notions of natural hierarchy by preaching that the Bible taught all men are equal, so that the true value of a man lies in his moral behavior, not his class.[104] Kidd argues that religious disestablishment, belief in a God as the source of human rights, and shared convictions about sin, virtue, and divine providence worked together to unite rationalists and evangelicals and thus encouraged American defiance of the Empire, whereas Bailyn denied that religion played such a critical role.[105] Alan Heimert argued, however, that New Light antiauthoritarianism was essential to the further democratization of colonial American society, and set the stage for a confrontation with British monarchical and aristocratic rule.[106]

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A...t_of_Great_Awakening

 

 

 

 

Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

I ask you questions Dire. Where do you see a straw man argument? 

 

I'm sure there are more than a few atheist in the Republican camp. However, I question their intelligence also in supporting a party that pushes a theocratic government. When was the last time you saw a Democrat organization or political leader call for a national religion?

 

What religious leaders are you talking about and what war for independence? 

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This straw man “Should Christianity be the national religion?”   Where on any Republican national political platform is there a call for instituting any national religion?  What candidate that won a primary has called for such.  That one group of many who support the Republican party desires such does not make it policy.

 

Democrat supporting groups have called for military attending National Prayer Breakfasts to courts-martial.  Is that a Democrat national policy?

 

Good Lord Dire, a question is not an argument. If I had said "All Republicans want Christianity to be the national religion" then you would have a point. I ask you, as a Republican voter, if YOU supported such a thing. I asked because you didn't address the subject when you commented and instead attacked the poster. 

 

 

 Democrats, as creatures of the left, tend towards the cult of the personality.  Remember the paper mache Greek columns in Germany, the spotlights, and Obama’s ascent to the speaker’s box? Man was treated like a demigod or faux fuehrer.  Remember the hymns and hosannas to him by youth groups as if he were the messiah?

You mean the welcoming of the President of the US? What does this have to do with the subject at hand? Presidents have been treated this way my whole life. When they go to visit ally countries those countries roll out the red carpet. Did it bother you that much when other presidents were treated in such a way? You are the one (again) that has read into it more than is necessary or was intended.

 

 

Jank I know Democrats are a bit slow on their history, but really!  American War of Independence (1775 to 1782).  I guess you slept during this session.  US broke away from the UK. 

 

Good God! I'm supposed to somehow know that you are talking about 1775 in a post about current events? I should have known, now that I think about it. You can never stay in the here and now. Instead you seem to exist in some time warp, usually situated in the 40's and 50's. Going back to the very beginning of our nation was unexpected.  You have to be the most random and scatter brained person I have ever TRIED to communicate with. 

 

Maybe it's an age thing...

 

Originally Posted by Harald Weissberg:
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

http://www.businessinsider.com...publican-laws-2013-4

 

Here is one that Best says she is against, yet she will vote for one of these gay haters. 

http://time.com/3859773/republ...ligious-freedom-law/

 

Here is more

 

 

 

 

 

I would comment, but it would be "throwing pearls before swine"...in your case.

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Without receiving  a pork chop, in return.

Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

I ask you questions Dire. Where do you see a straw man argument? 

 

I'm sure there are more than a few atheist in the Republican camp. However, I question their intelligence also in supporting a party that pushes a theocratic government. When was the last time you saw a Democrat organization or political leader call for a national religion?

 

What religious leaders are you talking about and what war for independence? 

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This straw man “Should Christianity be the national religion?”   Where on any Republican national political platform is there a call for instituting any national religion?  What candidate that won a primary has called for such.  That one group of many who support the Republican party desires such does not make it policy.

 

Democrat supporting groups have called for military attending National Prayer Breakfasts to courts-martial.  Is that a Democrat national policy?

 

Good Lord Dire, a question is not an argument. If I had said "All Republicans want Christianity to be the national religion" then you would have a point. I ask you, as a Republican voter, if YOU supported such a thing. I asked because you didn't address the subject when you commented and instead attacked the poster. 

 

That Republicans desire a form of theocracy is a major theme of the extreme left of the Democrats. 

 

 Democrats, as creatures of the left, tend towards the cult of the personality.  Remember the paper mache Greek columns in Germany, the spotlights, and Obama’s ascent to the speaker’s box? Man was treated like a demigod or faux fuehrer.  Remember the hymns and hosannas to him by youth groups as if he were the messiah?

You mean the welcoming of the President of the US? What does this have to do with the subject at hand? Presidents have been treated this way my whole life. When they go to visit ally countries those countries roll out the red carpet. Did it bother you that much when other presidents were treated in such a way? You are the one (again) that has read into it more than is necessary or was intended.

 

The Greek columns and speech in Germany were made while Obama was a candidate in 2008.

 

Jank I know Democrats are a bit slow on their history, but really!  American War of Independence (1775 to 1782).  I guess you slept during this session.  US broke away from the UK. 

 

Good God! I'm supposed to somehow know that you are talking about 1775 in a post about current events? I should have known, now that I think about it. You can never stay in the here and now. Instead you seem to exist in some time warp, usually situated in the 40's and 50's. Going back to the very beginning of our nation was unexpected.  You have to be the most random and scatter brained person I have ever TRIED to communicate with. 

 

Maybe it's an age thing...

 

Go back to Condie's original post, where mention is made considering Christian influence upon the founding of the nation,  Yes, Christianity was a major influence thru the Great Awakening.  No, a theocracy was the furthest thing from the mind of the founders.  The ghost of Oliver Cromwell was present in their minds.

 

Originally Posted by direstraits:
 

Good Lord Dire, a question is not an argument. If I had said "All Republicans want Christianity to be the national religion" then you would have a point. I ask you, as a Republican voter, if YOU supported such a thing. I asked because you didn't address the subject when you commented and instead attacked the poster. 

 

That Republicans desire a form of theocracy is a major theme of the extreme left of the Democrats. 

 

With good reason. See the examples I posted above. 

 

 Democrats, as creatures of the left, tend towards the cult of the personality.  Remember the paper mache Greek columns in Germany, the spotlights, and Obama’s ascent to the speaker’s box? Man was treated like a demigod or faux fuehrer.  Remember the hymns and hosannas to him by youth groups as if he were the messiah?

You mean the welcoming of the President of the US? What does this have to do with the subject at hand? Presidents have been treated this way my whole life. When they go to visit ally countries those countries roll out the red carpet. Did it bother you that much when other presidents were treated in such a way? You are the one (again) that has read into it more than is necessary or was intended.

 

The Greek columns and speech in Germany were made while Obama was a candidate in 2008.

 

My mistake. I didn't even look it up nor did I remember it. But, what was your point anyway? How does the reception Obama received in Germany relate to Republicans pushing Christianity in our government? 

 

Now, would you like to actually discuss the topic at hand, or are you only interested in deflecting the conversation. 

Jank, its simple. There are some Republicans who desire more Christian influence in the Party and the nation.  However, despite your examples, their desire has not and does not translate to a major influence in the Republican party, Once more, show me a recent example in the Republican national platforms over the years.  Show me recent Republican presidential candidates who espoused such after carrying the primary. Show me bills to found such when the Republicans had the legislative and executive branches,

 

Continue to be Henny Penny running to and fro screaming that the Republican sky is falling and bringing the next Lord Protector, theological courts and burning at the stake. 

Jank and Condie remind me of a couple of conspiracy theorists -- recent and decades ago.  When JFK ran, there were those who believed he was a front man for the Vatican and would have use all genuflecting. and saying our  "hail Marys."  More recently, Mitt Romney was supposedly a front man for Salt Lake City Mormons.  If elected, Coca Cola, coffee, and alcohol would be prohibited.  We'd all be tracing our ancestry back to Adam to ensure the salvation of our ancestors. Condie, were you one of these?

 

Think back people, Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, George H. Bush, Mitt Romney, Bob Dole  -- all either presidents or presidential primary candidates for the Republican party,  When did any of these espouse a theocracy or, if elected, attempt to implement such! 

 

Like I stated, the whole thread is a straw man, based on a few of many who support the Republican party, 

They can all tell their tales walking. I'd rather give up a coca cola or coffee than my head. I can't imagine why the left supports that religion while attacking christians. It has to boil down to money. Money, handouts, and power are the gods of the left, so it wouldn't be a surprise to know they'd sell out their country for those gods. They use people's religion against them, going into churches and telling them gawd wants them to vote for the democrats. Lefties, democrats, progressives, if you can call people who live in the past progressives, are the most evil beings on earth. Hard to fight a party that promises to give people their every desire, and they won't have to lift a finger to get it, They can lay around and smoke dope and do drugs all day, and never be accountable for any crime, not even murder. That's the left's utopia. But when they find out the truth! Oh well, as the song says, "they knew **** well they were snakes before they let them in". Snakes and scorpions.

Last edited by Bestworking
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Lefties and progressives, it's in their nature.

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Once heard a variant of the story. Scorpion asks a turtle for a ride.  Then, tries to sting him, unsuccessfully, thru his shell.  Turtle submerges, drowning scorpion.  Turtle, says that watching his own back is his nature. 

Read it with the turtle too, but the poor turtle didn't fare well either.

 

A scorpion, being a very poor swimmer, asked a turtle to carry him on his back across a river. "Are you

Scorpionmad?" exclaimed the turtle. "You'll sting me while I'm swimming and I'll drown." 

"My dear turtle," laughed the scorpion, "if I were to sting you, you would drown and I would go down with you. Now where is the logic in that?" 

"You're right!" cried the turtle. "Hop on!" The scorpion climbed aboard and halfway across the river gave the turtle a mighty sting. As they both sank to the bottom, the turtle resignedly said: 

"Do you mind if I ask you something? You said there'd be no logic in your stinging me. Why did you do it?" 

"It has nothing to do with logic," the drowning scorpion sadly replied. "It's just my character." 

Originally Posted by Contendah:

HELP FOR THE NAIVE who have no concern about the theocratic initiatives promoted by the despicable theocrat, David Lane:

 

 

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/...avid-lane-once-again

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Just as radical is the head of the American Renewal Project, David Lane, whose brand of Christian Nationalism views the separation of church and state, LGBT equality and religious pluralism as dangers, calling on conservative Christians to “wage war” against these supposed threats,

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Sure sounds like you beternnun. Only difference, islam is the lefties preferred religion for schools and political offices.

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Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by Contendah:

HELP FOR THE NAIVE who have no concern about the theocratic initiatives promoted by the despicable theocrat, David Lane:

 

 

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/...avid-lane-once-again

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Just as radical is the head of the American Renewal Project, David Lane, whose brand of Christian Nationalism views the separation of church and state, LGBT equality and religious pluralism as dangers, calling on conservative Christians to “wage war” against these supposed threats,

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Sure sounds like you beternnun. Only difference, islam is the lefties preferred religion for schools and political offices.

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I would not have thought it possible, but you become more irrelevant with each passing day!

Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by Contendah:

HELP FOR THE NAIVE who have no concern about the theocratic initiatives promoted by the despicable theocrat, David Lane:

 

 

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/...avid-lane-once-again

====================

Just as radical is the head of the American Renewal Project, David Lane, whose brand of Christian Nationalism views the separation of church and state, LGBT equality and religious pluralism as dangers, calling on conservative Christians to “wage war” against these supposed threats,

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Sure sounds like you beternnun. Only difference, islam is the lefties preferred religion for schools and political offices.

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I would not have thought it possible, but you become more irrelevant with each passing day!

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Says the fanatical anti-gay, Catholic, Mormon, cat and Amish heater (or is it Amish, in general) leftie.  Or, have I missed something. 

I would not have thought it possible, but you become more irrelevant with each passing day!

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Are you denying you think the same way about homosexuals and transgendered people? Maybe you should revisit your thread you abandoned when you were made to look a fool on it. "Girly Girl Scouts". Are you denying that the ONLY religious people you attack are Christians, and muslims are only mentioned when the left is 'urging' people not to judge some by others, and telling us how wonderful they are and attacking the religious on the right, while ignoring the ones using religion on the left? Are you seriously denying that??

Last edited by Bestworking
Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by Contendah:

HELP FOR THE NAIVE who have no concern about the theocratic initiatives promoted by the despicable theocrat, David Lane:

 

 

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/...avid-lane-once-again

====================

Just as radical is the head of the American Renewal Project, David Lane, whose brand of Christian Nationalism views the separation of church and state, LGBT equality and religious pluralism as dangers, calling on conservative Christians to “wage war” against these supposed threats,

=====================

Sure sounds like you beternnun. Only difference, islam is the lefties preferred religion for schools and political offices.

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I would not have thought it possible, but you become more irrelevant with each passing day!

 

In case it has escaped your attention, your use of the word "irrelevant," depicting those who do not agree, or stand in awe at your mentally challenged ramblings, is becoming, well,  "irrelevant".

 

If the poster is "irrelevant", wouldn't it be of little interest to you to continue to respond or even notice them?

 

EXAMPLE: 

  1. not relating or pertinent to the matter at hand; not important

But, you still respond to these people like a moth to a flame.

 

Amusing.

 

 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Read just a few of beternnun's rantings against transgendered folks. His rantings against homosexuals can be found on other threads. Read how he says what 'his bible' and 'his god' tells him, yet this thread is his attempt to put down someone, Republicans, doing the same.

 

https://www.tnvalleytalks.com/t...y-girl-scouts?page=2

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When one hears the word his in relation to deity or sacred work, approach very carefully, with tranquilizers -- assume Jim Jones wannabe,

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