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Bill,
A person that uses truth to help someone to better their self is a very good thing but me thinks you just might have a few wires crossed.
When working on an 8 cylinder car, there is a certain firing order for the pistions to fire in. If you hook up the wires and cross two of them, the engine will run but you don't get the full effect of the potential power it can achieve. It seems to me, Bill, that you could acomplish much more if you had all your wires on the right sparkplugs.
You claim to be bashing and slamming everyone in order to help them. Let me tell you a story. The sun and the wind made a bet one day. They each said they could make a man take his coat off. The sun said go ahead. The wind blew gently and nothing happen. So, the wind blew harder and harder, this made the man hold on to his coat and wrap it ever tighter around himself. The sun said, step aside, my turn. The sun raised it's temp a few degrees and the man un buttoned his coat, the sun waited a while and raised it's temp a little more. Eventually, with slight temperature raises spaced out over time, the man took off the coat.
Bill, when attempting to teach religious principles, if you come across as God's one and only defender of what you believe to be His truth. And you are weilding the sword of that supposed truth, cutting asunder all who don't fit your truth. You are much like the wind in the story and will get the same results, people will grab the coats of their religious beliefs and pull them tighter around themselves.
Remember one thing if nothing else from this post, YOU WILL NEVER CONVERT ANYONE TO WHAT YOU ARE CALLING TRUE GOSPEL DOCTRINE. Only the Holy Ghost witnesses truth and has the power to convert people. And some of the truths you are teaching will NEVER be witnessed as truth by the Holy Ghost because they are just doctrines of men!
Also as the saying goes. ,you catch more flies with hunny than you ever will with vinegar.
Go get on your knees and pray to God to have Him re wire you correctly so you will have all eight cylinders of yours firing in the right order. If you need wisdom about what I have just written, do as James 1:5 tells you to, then get a great dose of truth at http://cherokeesrealcobra.blogspot.com
Dwight
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Bill,
A person that uses truth to help someone to better their self is a very good thing but me thinks you just might have a few wires crossed.
When working on an 8 cylinder car, there is a certain firing order for the pistions to fire in. If you hook up the wires and cross two of them, the engine will run but you don't get the full effect of the potential power it can achieve. It seems to me, Bill, that you could acomplish much more if you had all your wires on the right sparkplugs.
You claim to be bashing and slamming everyone in order to help them. Let me tell you a story. The sun and the wind made a bet one day. They each said they could make a man take his coat off. The sun said go ahead. The wind blew gently and nothing happen. So, the wind blew harder and harder, this made the man hold on to his coat and wrap it ever tighter around himself. The sun said, step aside, my turn. The sun raised it's temp a few degrees and the man un buttoned his coat, the sun waited a while and raised it's temp a little more. Eventually, with slight temperature raises spaced out over time, the man took off the coat.
Bill, when attempting to teach religious principles, if you come across as God's one and only defender of what you believe to be His truth. And you are weilding the sword of that supposed truth, cutting asunder all who don't fit your truth. You are much like the wind in the story and will get the same results, people will grab the coats of their religious beliefs and pull them tighter around themselves.
Remember one thing if nothing else from this post, YOU WILL NEVER CONVERT ANYONE TO WHAT YOU ARE CALLING TRUE GOSPEL DOCTRINE. Only the Holy Ghost witnesses truth and has the power to convert people. And some of the truths you are teaching will NEVER be witnessed as truth by the Holy Ghost because they are just doctrines of men!
Also as the saying goes. ,you catch more flies with hunny than you ever will with vinegar.
Go get on your knees and pray to God to have Him re wire you correctly so you will have all eight cylinders of yours firing in the right order. If you need wisdom about what I have just written, do as James 1:5 tells you to, then get a great dose of truth at http://cherokeesrealcobra.blogspot.com
Dwight


Uhh COBRA, are you defending what you think is the truth?

Or….maybe you are defending what you know is not the truth?

Which?
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Bill,
you catch more flies with hunny than you ever will with vinegar.
Go get on your knees and pray to God
Dwight


Nothing anyone says is going to reach Bill Gray. Nothing but the Holy Spirit (if it exist at all, I don't know anymore) & if a person is not open to that, then forget it.

I would hate to guess when the last time was that Bill got on his knees. After all, he is forever saved & already knows all there is to know. What would be the use of someone like him praying?
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Or maybe he's like the rest of us and is tired of being harassed for what he believes?

B50m, do you have any idea why I’m not tired of being harassed as a COC?

Hi Buffalo,

Keep in mind that B50 is speaking of her desire to be New Age and Wiccan -- and still call herself a Christian.

Hey, B50, call yourself what you want. You can walk into your garage and call yourself a car if you like.

But, those of us who do consider it an honor and privilege, as well as being His instruction to all Christian believers -- will continue to speak out against cultic, atheist, secular, and non-Biblical teachings on the Religion Forum.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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buffalo
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Posted 06 September 2010 11:20 AM

We can never be on the same page as long as you think a building is a church and use the term my church when referring to an assemblage of folk.

All are welcome with their sins. if you want to hang on to them; thats your problem it would seem.

Religion is an art form, man made and enjoyed by many with the same enthusiasm and signifigance as a sporting event.
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Or maybe he's like the rest of us and is tired of being harassed for what he believes?


B50m, do you have any idea why I’m not tired of being harassed as a COC?


Because it's a man made art?


No you sill girl wabbit, Roll Eyes

The COC is not manmade it is made by Christ, therefore does not have to continuously defend, apologize or explain the intentions of Christ. Yours and all others are always in the stew-pot trying to explain some invention of man. that’s why everybody is always such an ill-a55 at Bro. Bill. Your manmade religions are always a subject of controversy.

If you are not a member of the COC I must by default assume you are bound to hell with the atheist & Co.
Just think what it’s gonna be like to live there with deep fat and his boy Uno constantly waking you up.
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If you are not a member of the COC I must by default assume you are bound to hell with the atheist & Co.


Well if only the CoC get a pass, Brother Bill will be in Hell with me.

Now that would be HELL!


Now you get the picture. I can get you in the COC. There is a special going on.
Hey, C.O.B.R.A.---

I suggest you get yourself over to the link, "Are the LDS a real Christian Church?"
and see what you can do to explain the following LDS issues I have described there? Truly, your church has invented some absolutely astonishing doctrines that are unlike anything believed anywhere else (other than in some of the numerous offshoots of the LDS). If you want to defend your church's doctrines, I suggest you begin with those described below, as excerpted from my above-referenced post. Here goes:

1) A MAN CAN BECOME A GOD! The LDS Church teaches that a human male can "progress" to a state where he can be a god over his own universe and, with his multiple heavenly wives, can propagate myriads of his children to populate some planet like the Earth. That doctrine is wholly un-Biblical and totally nonsensical. It is certainly not like anything taught in the Christian scriptures.

2)ADAM AND EVE'S SIN WAS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF HUMANITY."Great Blessings Resulted from the Transgression
"How does the Fall provide opportunities for us to become like our Heavenly Father?

Some people believe Adam and Eve committed a serious sin when they ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. However, latter-day scriptures help us understand that their Fall was a necessary step in the plan of life and a great blessing to all of us. Because of the Fall, we are blessed with physical bodies, the right to choose between good and evil, and the opportunity to gain eternal life. None of these privileges would have been ours had Adam and Eve remained in the garden.

After the Fall, Eve said, “Were it not for our transgression we never should have had seed [children], and never should have known good and evil, and the joy of our redemption, and the eternal life which God giveth unto all the obedient” (Moses 5:11).

The prophet Lehi explained:

“And now, behold, if Adam had not transgressed he would not have fallen [been cut off from the presence of God], but he would have remained in the Garden of Eden. And all things which were created must have remained in the same state in which they were after they were created. …

“And they would have had no children; wherefore they would have remained in a state of innocence, having no joy, for they knew no misery; doing no good, for they knew no sin.

“But behold, all things have been done in the wisdom of him who knoweth all things.

“Adam fell that men might be; and men are, that they might have joy” (2 Nephi 2:22–25)."

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I am not making this up; the Mormons did!

Here is the LDS source:
Link:

http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index....CM1000003a94610aRCRD

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As you work on your answer to No.2, above, C.O.B.R.A., kindly tell us why the LDS Church believes that Adam and Eve would have had no children if they had not sinned. My Bible says that after God created Eve and BEFORE she and Adam sinned, God told them to "Be fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth...." (Genesis 1:28) Isn't that clear enough to you and your LDS brethren?

What do you think the fruit of their multiplication was to have been if not human offspring? The LDS doctrine on this point is 180 degrees in conflict with the plain teaching of scripture and is totally indefensible, just as are numerous other fantasies of Joseph Smith, Brigham young and other false prophets that have led your crazy cult into believing some of the weirdest, most heretical doctrines ever perpetrated by any religion.

Now, man up and defend this claptrap if you can!
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Better than me,
The way I see it, there is nothing to defend. True doctrine needs only verification and I can't do that for you, the Holy Ghost is the witnesser of all truth and it looks like that is what you are asking. Are the doctrines true or not. You won't like my answer because I'm gonna tell you to James 1:5 it. Fight your fight with God.
Better than me, you can't feed a baby stake, it needs baby food. You cannot understand calculus without an understanding of the simpler mathematics first. You shouldn't jump into the ocean without at least gaining a knowledge of how to float. You don't even have a testimony of the truthfulness of the simplest truth taught in the RESTORED church of JESUS CHRIST. and you want steak.
Gain a testimony of prayer and develop a desire to pray for truth and then we will talk about a steak meal, till then I think it smart you stick with baby food.
Dwight
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If you are not a member of the COC I must by default assume you are bound to hell with the atheist & Co.


Well if only the CoC get a pass, Brother Bill will be in Hell with me.

Now that would be HELL!


Now you get the picture. I can get you in the COC. There is a special going on.



No thanks, I prefer to read things on my own, and I don't need to pay some guy to 'tell' me what it says like Bill does.
Hi Dwight,

You tell me, "Bill, A person that uses truth to help someone to better their self is a very good thing but me thinks you just might have a few wires crossed."

I am sure that all discerning folks on the Religion Forum HAVE noticed that a number of times I have written that the Mormon, or Latter-Day Saints, church worships a man named Jesus Christ who is a created being, spirit brother of Lucifer/Satan -- and not Jesus Christ of John 1:1-5 who is the preexisting God the Son -- and YOU HAVE NOT refuted my statement.

I am sure that all discerning folks on the Religion Forum HAVE noticed that a number of times I have written that the Mormon, or Latter-Day Saints, church teaches that a "committee of gods" came together and devised the plan to "create the heavens and the earth" -- and YOU HAVE NOT refuted my statement.

I am sure that all discerning folks on the Religion Forum HAVE noticed that a number of times I have written that the Mormon, or Latter-Day Saints, church teaches god, their god, was first an exalted man who worked himself into being god -- is not the preexisting God of the Bible -- and YOU HAVE NOT refuted my statement.

So, Dwight, my Friend -- who has crossed their wires?

You tell me, "Bill, when attempting to teach religious principles,. . ."

I do not teach "religious principles" -- I share Christian faith with folks. There is a world of difference between the Traditions, Rituals, Exalted Temples, and other religious mores of your cult church -- and having a relationship with the preexisting Son of God, Jesus Christ.

Then, you tell me, "Remember one thing if nothing else from this post, YOU WILL NEVER CONVERT ANYONE TO WHAT YOU ARE CALLING TRUE GOSPEL DOCTRINE. Only the Holy Ghost witnesses truth and has the power to convert people. And some of the truths you are teaching will NEVER be witnessed as truth by the Holy Ghost because they are just doctrines of men!"

Dwight, for once you have stumbled upon something upon which we can agree -- ONLY the Holy Spirit can save a person. With that I concur totally!

However, Christian believers have been given the marching orders directly from "our" Jesus Christ -- that we should Go, Make disciples, Baptize them, Teach them (Matthew 28:18-20) and that we should be His witnesses in our Jerusalem (our family, our community), in our Judea (our city and state), in our Samaria (our nation), and to all the world (Acts 1:8, Mark 16:15).

And, to better explain what He means, in Matthew 13:1-23 (also in Mark 4:1-9, and Luke 8:4-8) He teaches the parable of the Sower and the "seeds of salvation" he sowed. We, the Christian believers, are to sow the "seeds of salvation" -- which the Holy Spirit will harvest as eternally saved souls. Amen and amen!

God does not need us in His "soul saving" business -- but, praise God, He has chosen to use us as His hands and feet on earth to spread the Gospel and sow the "seeds of salvation." You really should get on His Team and join us in saving souls. Or, are you too busy "working" toward having your own world where you will be the god, as taught in the Mormon church?

Next, you tell me, "Also as the saying goes, you catch more flies with hunny (sic) than you ever will with vinegar."

Amen to that! However, in John 21:15-17 Jesus Christ teaches that we, Christian believers, should "Tend His lambs" and "Shepherd His sheep" and "Tend His sheep" -- meaning that we Christian believers should protect His flock from predators. Predators come in many shapes, sizes, and waving many different banners. Your banner happens to be from a cult church, the Mormon church.

You suggest, "Go get on your knees and pray to God. . ."

Sound advise! But, I will be praying to the God of the Bible, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob -- the preexisting God who is manifested in three preexisting Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

I will NOT be praying to your "committee of gods" nor to your "exalted man turned god."

You tell me, "If you need wisdom about what I have just written, do as James 1:5 tells you. . ."

James 1:5 tells us, "But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all generously and without reproach, and it will be given to him."

Let me see if I can recall "wisdom" as taught in the Mormon church: "God himself was one as we are not, and is an exalted man. . . I say, if you were to see him today, you would see him like a man in form. . . like yourselves in all the the person, image, and very form as a man. . . He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth" (Joseph Smith, "History of the Church," vol 6, page 305).

Man may become god. "Here then is eternal life. . . to know the only wise and true God; and you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves, an to be kings and priests to God, the same as all gods have done before you. . . To inherit the same power, the same glory and the same exaltation, until you arrive at the station of God" (Joseph Smith, "History of the Church," vol 6, page 306).

"In the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together an concocted a plan to create the world and people it. . . In all congregations when I have preached on the subject of the Deity, it has been the plurality of Gods" (Joseph Smith, Founder and First Prophet, "History of the Church," vol 6, pages 308, 474).

"The appointment of Jesus to be the Savior of the world was contested by one of the other sons of God -- Lucifer. This spirit-brother of Jesus desperately tried to become the Savior of mankind" (Milton R. Hunter, First Council of Seventy, "The Gospel Through The Ages," page 15).

Do we need more?

Finally, Dwight, you suggest, "Then get a great dose of truth at" and you guide me to your Blog which preaches your Mormon religion. No thank you. I read enough of that on my first, last, and only visit. And, even if one did want to read any of your Blog, you make it clear that to understand what you are teaching -- one must start at your very first blog and real all 69 plus articles. Sorry, my Friend, I personally do not have that much time to waste.

And, after all, if I want to know more about the Mormon church -- I have many books from the Mormon church in my personal library. And, there is a world of information on the internet about that church.

Also, if anyone is interested, Dr. Walter Martin's definitive book on cults, "The Kingdom Of The Cults" has a good section (pages 192 through 259) on the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the Mormons). This was one of my first books on cults added to my personal library.

In the Introduction, Dr. Martin tells us:

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is distinctive among all the religious cults and sects active in the United States in that it has by far the most fascinating history, and one worthy of consideration by all students of religions originating on the American continent.

The Mormons, as they are most commonly called, are divided into two major groups: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints with headquarters in Salt Lake City, Utah; and the Community of Christ (formerly known before the year 2000 as the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints) with headquarters in Independence, Missouri.


From Dr. Martin's Quick Facts about the Mormon church:

The Trinity consists of three gods born in different times and places; the Father begot the Son and Holy Ghost through a goddess wife in heaven.

The earth is one of several inhabited planets ruled over by gods and goddesses, who were at one time humans on other planets. Mormonism is polytheistic in its core.

Salvation is resurrection, but exaltation to godhood, for eternal life in the celestial heavens, must be earned through self-meriting works.


Dwight, I am sorry; but, as often as you come on the Religion Forum preaching a false religion and false teaching -- God willing, I WILL be here to refute those teachings.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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No thanks, I prefer to read things on my own, and I don't need to pay some guy to 'tell' me what it says like Bill does.

HI B,

Would you mind explaining this statement? Who do I "pay" for information? I have absolutely NO idea what you mean by this. But, I sure do want an explanation.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by b50m:
No thanks, I prefer to read things on my own, and I don't need to pay some guy to 'tell' me what it says like Bill does.

HI B,

Would you mind explaining this statement? Who do I "pay" for information? I have absolutely NO idea what you mean by this. But, I sure do want an explanation.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill



b50.......I told you people he's stupid.
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Originally posted by b50m:
No thanks, I prefer to read things on my own, and I don't need to pay some guy to 'tell' me what it says like Bill does.


HI B,

Would you mind explaining this statement? Who do I "pay" for information? I have absolutely NO idea what you mean by this. But, I sure do want an explanation.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


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buffalo
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Posted 06 September 2010 11:20 AM

We can never be on the same page as long as you think a building is a church and use the term my church when referring to an assemblage of folk.

All are welcome with their sins. if you want to hang on to them; thats your problem it would seem.

Religion is an art form, man made and enjoyed by many with the same enthusiasm and signifigance as a sporting event.
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
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Originally posted by b50m:
No thanks, I prefer to read things on my own, and I don't need to pay some guy to 'tell' me what it says like Bill does.

HI B,

Would you mind explaining this statement? Who do I "pay" for information? I have absolutely NO idea what you mean by this. But, I sure do want an explanation.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

As soon as you comment on this:

Hi B,

Now, you REALLY have me confused. What does a post by Buffalo have to do with me? And, how does this relate to Bill Gray "paying" anyone for anything?

Let's forget what transpired between you and Buffalo -- and talk about this latest bit of dialogue between you and me. Okay?

So, please, what did you mean by that statement?

Thank you and God bless,

Bill

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Better than me,
The way I see it, there is nothing to defend. True doctrine needs only verification and I can't do that for you, the Holy Ghost is the witnesser of all truth and it looks like that is what you are asking. Are the doctrines true or not. You won't like my answer because I'm gonna tell you to James 1:5 it. Fight your fight with God.
Better than me, you can't feed a baby stake, it needs baby food. You cannot understand calculus without an understanding of the simpler mathematics first. You shouldn't jump into the ocean without at least gaining a knowledge of how to float. You don't even have a testimony of the truthfulness of the simplest truth taught in the RESTORED church of JESUS CHRIST. and you want steak.
Gain a testimony of prayer and develop a desire to pray for truth and then we will talk about a steak meal, till then I think it smart you stick with baby food.
Dwight


What you have posted here, C.O.B.R.A., confirms to me and to all who might read your post that you are utterly incapable of defending your LDS beliefs. You do what many other LDS do when they find themselves unable to ante up proof or support for their bizarre doctrinal beliefs; you cop out with that old saw about getting your faith verified through some kind of direct injection of Holy Ghost assurance.

I commend to you, C.O.B.R.A., the invitation offered by the late LDS Apostle, Orson Pratt, a towering figure in LDS history. The link below from the LDS's web pages describes this giant of your faith in the most glowing terms.

Orson Pratt, when defending his LDS beliefs and doctrines, did not resort to the kind of cowardly subterfuge that you have taken refuge in, C.O.B.R.A. Here, in Pratt's own words, is his candid invitation to those who might dispute the claims of the LDS:

"...convince us of our errors of doctrine, if we have any, by reason, [B]by logical arguments, or by the word of God,[/B] and we will be ever grateful for the information, and you will ever have the pleasing reflection that you have been instruments in the hands of God redeeming your fellow beings from the darkness which you may see enveloping their minds." From The Seer, by Pratt, pages 15 & 16)

"Apostle" Pratt did not slither and slink away, C.O.B.R.A.-like, from defending the tenets of his faith against those who challenged LDS doctrines. Unlike you, he respected "reason" and "logical arguments" as legitimate means for resolving differences of views on doctrinal matters.

As to your silly little dietary allegories about "steak" and "baby food," all I can say is that I have advanced in my nutritional preferences far enough along that I need none of the diluted pablum you are serving up as your pitifully weak defense of Mormonism. I much prefer that my opponent in debate serve up a rich, full plate of the best, most logical, most substantive defenses he can muster. Orson Pratt, I suspect, was the kind of man who would have done that. You, apparently are not!

Link to LDS entry on Orson Pratt:

http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index....CM1000004d82620aRCRD
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Bill, you keep defending buffalo when he said religion was made up. Then you attack others who actually practice a faith.



As for my statement, you did not read it correctly.

''No thanks, I prefer to read things on my own, and I don't need to pay some guy to 'tell' me what it says like Bill does.''

I prefer to read the Bible on my own, not 'pay' a preacher to tell me what it means, like Bill is always telling me what it means.

I was not implying the 'pay' part to you, just the 'tell me what it means' part.
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Bill, you keep defending buffalo when he said religion was made up. Then you attack others who actually practice a faith.

As for my statement, you did not read it correctly.

''No thanks, I prefer to read things on my own, and I don't need to pay some guy to 'tell' me what it says like Bill does.''

I prefer to read the Bible on my own, not 'pay' a preacher to tell me what it means, like Bill is always telling me what it means.

I was not implying the 'pay' part to you, just the 'tell me what it means' part.

Hi B,

Fair enough. Not a problem!

Off hand, I do not recall defending Buffalo in his statement about "religions" being man-made -- but I do agree with that statement.

Religions, all the world religions, are man-made, or man instigated. All have a "man founder" -- except Christianity which comes from God through the God/Man, Jesus Christ.

All other religions have holy books, bibles, traditions, and rituals created by men.

Only Christianity's Bible can lay claim to being the Holy Spirit inspired, Holy Spirit inerrant, literal Written Word of God.

So, yes -- there is Christianity -- and there are world religions. And, ne'er the twain shall meet.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Bill, buffalo is CoC and used that about his own religion. Try again.

Hi B,

I am not sure what Buffalo has to say about the Church of Christ. I will admit that, today, I am not that familiar with that particular church -- except that there are a few churches which wear that same hat. So, I am not sure which one Buffalo belongs to or which he is describing.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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It's listed as a Christian Church under the heading of Christianity.

Hi B,

Any group can call themselves Christian or any other name. The Jehovah's Witnesses call themselves Christian also -- but, they are not.

So, we cannot look at what a church, or even a person, labels themselves. We have to look at what they believe and teach. In that respect, both the JWs and the Mormon churches are cult churches.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,


Bill

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Better than me,
The way I see it, there is nothing to defend. True doctrine needs only verification and I can't do that for you, Dwight

Hi Dwight,

It would seem there is something to either confirm or deny. Both Beter and I have shown you statements from Mormon leaders which show that the Mormon church is not Christian and is, in fact, a cult church.

You have not addressed any of those statements.

CAN YOU?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by b50m:
Bill, you keep defending buffalo when he said religion was made up. Then you attack others who actually practice a faith.

As for my statement, you did not read it correctly.

''No thanks, I prefer to read things on my own, and I don't need to pay some guy to 'tell' me what it says like Bill does.''

I prefer to read the Bible on my own, not 'pay' a preacher to tell me what it means, like Bill is always telling me what it means.

I was not implying the 'pay' part to you, just the 'tell me what it means' part.

Hi B,

Fair enough. Not a problem!

Off hand, I do not recall defending Buffalo in his statement about "religions" being man-made -- but I do agree with that statement.

Religions, all the world religions, are man-made, or man instigated. All have a "man founder" -- except Christianity which comes from God through the God/Man, Jesus Christ.

All other religions have holy books, bibles, traditions, and rituals created by men.

Only Christianity's Bible can lay claim to being the Holy Spirit inspired, Holy Spirit inerrant, literal Written Word of God.

So, yes -- there is Christianity -- and there are world religions. And, ne'er the twain shall meet.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


There you go b50m. COC is the christian religion.

Bro. Bill's is a manmade sort since he has invented such things as the trib, once saved etc...... The COC is the Christ invented Church.

Where the COC assembles one is not axed to list sins as you seem to employ as a condition to sit on a bench at an assemblage.

.....nor are you told what to give.

If you are looking to be found guilty and have your a55 rode about it the COC assemblage is not the place one needs attend. Wink
Better than me,
You have attempted many times to shame me into a debate about the RESTORED church of JESUS CHRIS. you have tried to bait me and tried to start an argument with me about the doctrines of JESUS CHRIST'S church. Sorry, I don't work that way. If there is to be a sharing of knowledge with you of these truths, it will be on my grounds. I have lived long enough to recognize you, your personality and your tactics. Say what you wish about me and the RESTORED church of JESUS CHRIST, it won't change a thing. At this point in life you are only into battle. You and Bill Gray. You both attempt to suck me into a contentious battle but I won't. Ya see, your minds are made up that LDS is a cult full of false doctrine, so why should I waste time trying to convince you all of anything? I can't. So as far as you all are concerned, We are a cult, we have a different Jesus, although I don't understand that one at all. Better than me and Bill, argue with someone else . Those of you guenuinely interested in learning true doctrine, you know how to reach me. And better, I will know when you have a broken heart and a contrite spirit and are ready to listen with your spirit and hear the truths God is trying soon hard to get you to understand. When that time arrives and God tells me you are truly prepared, I will share a great feast for you and we will talk face to face.
Dwight

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Better than me,
The way I see it, there is nothing to defend. True doctrine needs only verification and I can't do that for you, the Holy Ghost is the witnesser of all truth and it looks like that is what you are asking. Are the doctrines true or not. You won't like my answer because I'm gonna tell you to James 1:5 it. Fight your fight with God.
Better than me, you can't feed a baby stake, it needs baby food. You cannot understand calculus without an understanding of the simpler mathematics first. You shouldn't jump into the ocean without at least gaining a knowledge of how to float. You don't even have a testimony of the truthfulness of the simplest truth taught in the RESTORED church of JESUS CHRIST. and you want steak.
Gain a testimony of prayer and develop a desire to pray for truth and then we will talk about a steak meal, till then I think it smart you stick with baby food.
Dwight


What you have posted here, C.O.B.R.A., confirms to me and to all who might read your post that you are utterly incapable of defending your LDS beliefs. You do what many other LDS do when they find themselves unable to ante up proof or support for their bizarre doctrinal beliefs; you cop out with that old saw about getting your faith verified through some kind of direct injection of Holy Ghost assurance.

I commend to you, C.O.B.R.A., the invitation offered by the late LDS Apostle, Orson Pratt, a towering figure in LDS history. The link below from the LDS's web pages describes this giant of your faith in the most glowing terms.

Orson Pratt, when defending his LDS beliefs and doctrines, did not resort to the kind of cowardly subterfuge that you have taken refuge in, C.O.B.R.A. Here, in Pratt's own words, is his candid invitation to those who might dispute the claims of the LDS:

"...convince us of our errors of doctrine, if we have any, by reason, [B]by logical arguments, or by the word of God,[/B] and we will be ever grateful for the information, and you will ever have the pleasing reflection that you have been instruments in the hands of God redeeming your fellow beings from the darkness which you may see enveloping their minds."

"Apostle" Pratt did not slither and slink away, C.O.B.R.A.-like, from defending the tenets of his faith against those who challenged LDS doctrines. Unlike you, he respected "reason" and "logical arguments" as legitimate means for resolving differences of views on doctrinal matters.

As to your silly little dietary allegories about "steak" and "baby food," all I can say is that I have advanced in my nutritional preferences far enough along that I need none of the diluted pablum you are serving up as your pitifully weak defense of Mormonism. I much prefer that my opponent in debate serve up a rich, full plate of the best, most logical, most substantive defenses he can muster. Orson Pratt, I suspect, was the kind of man who would have done that. You, apparently are not!

Link to LDS entry on Orson Pratt:

http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index....CM1000004d82620aRCRD

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