Bill Gray Posting Off Topic

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OK, I've had enough,

You should end it all.

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Originally posted by Skeptik:
OK, I've had enough,

Until then, may I remind people of the "report this post" feature in the bottom left corner of each post? Vote early and vote often.

Bottom left hand corner? That's odd, I don't get anything in the bottom left hand corner.

If Mr. Bill has to stop posting, then so does JJ.
Politics and religion do go together. JJ posts politics in news, so its even. Politics IS news too.

I haven't seen JJ posting political ads for his candidate in the religion section - which is where Bill Gray is consistently turning hardline republicans into democrats by his blithering rhetoric.
Our founding fathers included a separation of church and state in our country's bylaws. In the United States, religion should have NOTHING to do with politics.

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Originally posted by unclegus:

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Originally posted by Skeptik:
OK, I've had enough,

Until then, may I remind people of the "report this post" feature in the bottom left corner of each post? Vote early and vote often.

Bottom left hand corner? That's odd, I don't get anything in the bottom left hand corner.

In the bottom RIGHT hand corner

I agree that if Bill is a mote, JJ is a humongous camel.

Please let Bill stay on the Religion forum and rail all he wants. That keeps him off the others to a degree.
At any rate, he is one who is best put on your ignore list. That way you won't be tempted to read his rants.

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Bottom left hand corner? That's odd, I don't get anything in the bottom left hand corner.

The other left.

You know, the one on this side ----->

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At any rate, he is one who is best put on your ignore list. That way you won't be tempted to read his rants.

That is the strange thing: I want to see the train wreck. I just do not want want to see the train wreck where I do not expect to see it.

Tran wrecks that do not obey the rules (even after nearly constant objections from other train wreck fans) should be banned.

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Originally posted by Skeptik:
OK, I've had enough,

Bill Gray constantly posts political rubbish in the religion form despite constant requests to not do so. I know people on this forum who have been suspended or banned for less.

Please, mods, enforce the rules fairly and evenly or not at all. Until then, may I remind people of the "report this post" feature in the bottom left corner of each post? Vote early and vote often.

This is not YOUR forum, Bill Gray. It is ours.

What a jerk !!! Ours?
It's for anybody that wants to post here ,dont like what they have to say ? Ignore .
But you cant cry about someone being on here just because you dont like them or what they say .
You know what ? I dont like you being on here ,now stick that in your pipe and smoke it as you whine , Need some cheese to go with it ?

why bother banning them,they simply create new IDs and show back up.

in fact i was thinking of starting a contest over in Politics, JJs New Name,,,, afterall he promised to leave if Obama wins,so i think we should all help him find a new ID
There was jjpaul,PBA,Mr Biggles and a couple more. The new one should have an exciting zing to it!

WAH WAH WAH!!!! Bill hit me! I'm telling! Mr. Mod, please kill Bill. SHUT UP you whiny brats!!! You seriously are about as bad as a bunch of 4 year olds.

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You seriously are about as bad as a bunch of 4 year olds.

Pootyhead!

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why bother banning them,they simply create new IDs and show back up.

Then why bother with any rules at all?

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Then why bother with any rules at all?

i have wondered the same thing

Hi all,

Gee, it is nice to be so loved. But, I have had a predicament: when I write a post and it talks about God and Sarah Palin -- should it be posted in the Religion Forum -- or the Politics Forum?

Wow. Do you see my dilemma? Do I relegate God to the Politics Forum -- or do I stick poor Sarah Palin in the Religion Forum?

Well, I thunk about it, and I thunk about it, and I thunk about it (make you cringe, Neal?). And, I came to the conclusion that since Sarah is such a good Christian -- it would be an injustice to stick her in the Politics Forum. So, I have put God and Sarah Palin in the Religion Forum. And, very soon, after the election today -- we will have God and Sarah Palin in the White House!

But, let me just say one more thing and I promise to not talk about politics for a long, long time:

In by some quirk of fate Obama wins: SARAH PALIN IN 2012!

But, if, as I suspect will happen, McCain wins: SARAH PALIN IN 2016!

There, no more politics. Now, we can talk about God, salvation, the Rapture, Liberal vs Conservative, why I am a Fundamentalist and proud of it, and a few more topics that will thrill you.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

JUST ONE MORE TIME, FOR OLD TIME'S SAKE!

I'm not totally sure about Biggles. He had better grammar than PBA of JJP.

oh I am,,I put jjpaul on Ignore list awhile back ,and a nice little collection of names popped up along side jjpaul.

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Originally posted by Skeptik:

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You seriously are about as bad as a bunch of 4 year olds.

Pootyhead!

Doodypants!

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi all,

Gee, it is nice to be so loved. But, I have had a predicament: when I write a post and it talks about God and Sarah Palin -- should it be posted in the Religion Forum -- or the Politics Forum?

Wow. Do you see my dilemma? Do I relegate God to the Politics Forum -- or do I stick poor Sarah Palin in the Religion Forum?

Well, I thunk about it, and I thunk about it, and I thunk about it (make you cringe, Neal?). And, I came to the conclusion that since Sarah is such a good Christian -- it would be an injustice to stick her in the Politics Forum. So, I have put God and Sarah Palin in the Religion Forum. And, very soon, after the election today -- we will have God and Sarah Palin in the White House!

But, let me just say one more thing and I promise to not talk about politics for a long, long time:

In by some quirk of fate Obama wins: SARAH PALIN IN 2012!

But, if, as I suspect will happen, McCain wins: SARAH PALIN IN 2016!

There, no more politics. Now, we can talk about God, salvation, the Rapture, Liberal vs Conservative, why I am a Fundamentalist and proud of it, and a few more topics that will thrill you.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

JUST ONE MORE TIME, FOR OLD TIME'S SAKE!

Wish your comment had of been true!......

You know Mr. Gray, I don't see what's so bad about being a fundamentalist!!!!!!

I love your posts and I don't care where you post them. I don't know why our friends mind either.

May God bless you all!

It's fun to be a fundie...You go, Bill!

Lay it on thick Bill!

As backward thinking Bill Grey is sometimes I think it is perfectly fine for him to post on here what ever he wants. I don't agree with Bill 99% of the time when it comes to politics but I do agree with his right to express his views along with his convictions.

Bill, I hope you keep expressing your views just like jjpaul and others because freedome of speech is one of our freedoms that many brave men and women died for.

I do think that he can seperate the two somewhat. If your post has a more political theme then put it in the politics section.



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Love your pilgrims, 2Each

WE'RE ON THE MARCH ALREADY! ESPECIALLY SEEING OBAMA'S TEAM COMING TOGETHER! CAN ANYONE SAY SUPER LIBERAL LEFT?

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
WE'RE ON THE MARCH ALREADY! ESPECIALLY SEEING OBAMA'S TEAM COMING TOGETHER! CAN ANYONE SAY SUPER LIBERAL LEFT?

I hope she runs again. That way it will be another landslide for the Dems.


I Love Sarah because she helped defeat the republicans.

Is it just me or did she get blonder in that snap?

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Is it just me or did she get blonder in that snap?

I just can't wait to see all the drag queen reviews of her.

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Originally posted by TheFox:
Is it just me or did she get blonder in that snap?

She very well may have gotten blonder ,,after all us ladies got to take care of ourselves ,dont want you men saying our roots are showing

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Originally posted by Eye-gor:
Our founding fathers included a separation of church and state in our country's bylaws. In the United States, religion should have NOTHING to do with politics.

Nowhere in the constitution are the words separation of church and state. Our founding father's did not "include that in our bylaws"

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Originally posted by Eye-gor: Our founding fathers included a separation of church and state in our country's bylaws. In the United States, religion should have NOTHING to do with politics.

Hi Eye,

Thomas Jefferson wrote a letter in response to a letter from a group of Baptist pastors in Danbury, Connecticut. These pastors were concerned that the state of Connecticut was moving toward making the Congregational church the state church. So, they wrote to President Jefferson asking his help. He wrote them a letter in response, in effect, assuring them that neither their federal nor their state governments would be allowed to interfere with their chosen place and method of worship.

The following excerpt is from Jefferson's letter: Link

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State.

Here, Jefferson is restating what was written in the First Amendment of the Constitution: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; . . ."

He is telling the Danbury Baptist pastors that the whole American people, backed by First Amendment, builds a wall protecting freedom of worship from government interference. That is the "wall" Jefferson was addressing in his letter. There is absolutely no indication that Jefferson, nor the other founding fathers, nor any American government before the late twentieth century had any desire to have government interfere with religious worship. Nor is there any indication that any of them imagined an American government without Christian influence imbedded in it.

Eye, you tell us, "Our founding fathers included a separation of church and state in our country's bylaws."

Please show us the documents you are addressing and exactly where they say what you claim. If you can't -- please do us all the favor of admitting that you are, as usual, just blowing smoke -- and trying, as do most Liberals, to bluff your way through.

The claim of "separation of church and state" is a lie that the Liberal Left perpetrated -- and kept repeating so long and so often -- that many folks, less knowledgeable of our government and our Constitution, began to believe the lie. But, that is all it is -- a big lie designed to fool the masses. And, sadly, for a long time it appeared to be succeeding -- until enough Conservatives said, "Enough! No more of your lies!"

That, my Friend, is the separation of church and state -- a total fabrication.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Au contraire , Bill. The US Supreme Court has ruled on it many, many times. Here's only one example:
[Chief Justice Morrison Waite, in Reynolds vs. U.S., a Supreme Court decision in 1878] cited Madison's Memorial and Remonstrance of 1785, in which, said Waite, "he demonstrated 'that religion, or the duty we owe the Creator,' was not within the cognizance of civil government." This was followed, said Waite, by passage of the Virginia statute "for establishing religious freedom," written by Jefferson, which proclaimed complete liberty of opinion and allowed no interference by government until ill tendencies "break out into overt acts against peace and good order." Finally, the Chief Justice cited Jefferson's letter of 1802 to the Danbury Baptist association, describing the First Amendment as "building a wall of separation between church and state." Coming as this does, said Waite, "from an acknowledged leader of the advocates of the measure, it may be accepted almost as an authoritative declaration of the scope and effect of the amendment thus secured." (Irving Brant, The Bill of Rights: Its Origin and Meaning, Indianapolis: Bobbs-Merrill Co., Inc., 1965, p. 407.)
Do you need more? I can also provide you with quotes from Jefferson to the present from learned men and leaders of this country who all were convinced of the need of separation of church and state.
Do you not see how this tenet benefits you? Why, if there were no separation in this country, we might all be Episcopalians by law or since our founding fathers were deists and not Christians by your sense of the word, we could all be atheists by law.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Bill I have a few questions, serious ones and i would very much like to have you answer it.
At what time,and where have you and/or your congregation been forced to stop your worship services? At what time and where have you or your congregation been forced to a. have an abortion
b. live with a gay person(s)c.At what time and where,have you or your congregation had your worship material edited by government?
Now if none of the above have been forced on you by the government then it has to be YOU and YOUR like minded followers who have indeed stuck your nose into government affairs,by YOUR religous beliefs hounding people to vote a certain way based solely on your religous beliefs and not the national issues.You are indeed a member of a "special interest" group,one of your beliefs. Not the nation as a whole but YOUR group,your like minded associates.

oh and before it is even questioned,I try to live my life as a christian. I am proud of the fact I do live in a nation where I am allowed to have the church of my choice decide when to have services,and no one is altering,editing or tampering with the services. i am proud to live in a country that I am free to discuss Gods word to those who are INTERESTED in hearing it.
Until the day comes that I am silenced,or my church is on restrictions I will continue to carry that pride and be thankful we do not have a government that is all up in the business of "special interest" groups of religion.

One letter = bylaws ?

UC, go back and read the entire Constitution...also the amendments..I don't think you will find anything in either about a "wall" of separation.
People escaped to America to avoid religious persecution; and when it seemed it was going to follow them to America, they were concerned. Jefferson was basically reassuring them the government would not interfere with their worship. Not the other way around.
I have been researching some of the early settlers (my ancestors) for a series of books I will be writing. They were protestants (Lutheran) Palantines, who escaped persecution in Germany to come to a new land and worship in peace.

Hi Eye,

All you have shown are decision of judges, liberal judges, and no documents which have been ratified and made official.

Also, all the decisions you reference say the same thing I wrote earlier -- the First Amendment, and Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptists, says that government will not interfere with the church. No where does it say that the church cannot be involved with the government.

Once again, I will remind you that the founding fathers not only encouraged the study and application of the Bible -- they made the federal office buildings available for Sunday Christian worship.

Now, does this sound like they were trying to keep Christianity out of government? It sure doesn't to me.

In summary, the First Amendment, and Jefferson's letters, and rulings of the Supreme Court -- all say no government in the churches. None of them say no Christianity in government. The founding fathers were too intelligent to do that.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill