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DALLAS (Reuters) - The Boy Scouts of America is expected to end its ban on gay adult leaders on Monday, dismantling a policy that has deeply divided the membership of the 105-year-old Texas-based organization.

The Boy Scouts National Executive Board will consider a resolution that was unanimously approved by the organization’s executive committee on July 13. The organization is urging an end to the ban because of "sea change in the law with respect to gay rights."

The decision would follow the landmark ruling in late June by the U.S. Supreme Court allowing same-sex marriages nationwide. In May, the Boy Scouts' president, former U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates, called the ban "unsustainable" and said it needed to change.

The Irving, Texas-based organization lifted its ban on gay youth in 2013, but had continued to prohibit the participation of openly gay adults.

The selection of Gates as president of the organization last year was seen as an opportunity to revisit the policy since he helped end the "Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell" policy that barred openly gay people from serving in the U.S. military.

The Boy Scouts of America, whose stated mission is to prepare youth for life and leadership, has 2.5 million youth members between the ages of 7 and 21 and about 960,000 volunteers in local units, according to the organization’s website.

The anticipated end of the Boy Scouts ban has been welcomed by gay rights advocates and criticized by conservatives.

Zach Wahls, an eagle scout and executive director of Scouts for Equality, has labeled the ban a “towering example of explicit, institutional homophobia.”   

John Stemberger, chairman of the breakaway Christian youth outdoor program Trail Life USA, said on Friday that lifting the ban is an affront to Christian morals and will make it “even more challenging for a church to integrate a (Boy Scouts) unit as part of a church’s ministry offerings.”

The membership policy change would no longer prohibit gay adult participation but would allow local units latitude to make their own choices regarding gay leaders.

“The BSA national policy that prohibits gay adults from serving as leaders is no longer legally defensible,” the organization said in statement earlier this month. “However, the BSA’s commitment to duty to God and the rights of religious chartered organizations to select their leaders is unwavering.”

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Originally Posted by Bestworking:

 HPBC allowed children to be with a pervert for almost two weeks until they covered their butts. What perverts are you referring to? Surely you aren't claiming that all homosexuals are perverts. Does that mean all married youth ministers are homosexual child molesters and all the churches cover for them?

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If you do not believe that placing known homosexual male authority figures in  close relationships with young males of Boy Scout age will result in an increased incidence of pedophilia, then you are living in a world about 1000 light years beyond  La-La Land. 

 

Oh bull beternnun. You act like homosexuals are a new thing. You have no way of knowing how many have been leaders, teachers, pastors, cops, firemen, you name it, over the years and never had a thought about or bothered a child. How many millions/billions of homosexuals have never molested a child and how many so called "straight" teachers and men and women in all walks of life have molested children? Of course the homosexual haters have a double standard when it comes to women molesting young boys. Sickening.

If you do not believe that placing known homosexual male authority figures in  close relationships with young males of Boy Scout age will result in an increased incidence of pedophilia, then you are living in a world about 1000 light years beyond  La-La Land. 

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Where had these "sexual vampires" been getting their prey before the boy scouts made it possible?

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

If you do not believe that placing known homosexual male authority figures in  close relationships with young males of Boy Scout age will result in an increased incidence of pedophilia, then you are living in a world about 1000 light years beyond  La-La Land. 

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Where had these "sexual vampires" been getting their prey before the boy scouts made it possible?

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Wherever they could find or make opportunity, Best!  Check it out with any number of pedophile priests. Their "Boy Scouts" are the altar boys and other parish children  they molested.

There is no difference in homosexual child molesters and straight child molesters, yet you have no problem with straights being around kids. Where do the straight child molesters come from? You actually claim that a molested child grows up to be a molester? How about all the molesters in the coc and other denominations? Do their victims go on to molest?

Originally Posted by Contendahh:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

If you do not believe that placing known homosexual male authority figures in  close relationships with young males of Boy Scout age will result in an increased incidence of pedophilia, then you are living in a world about 1000 light years beyond  La-La Land. 

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Where had these "sexual vampires" been getting their prey before the boy scouts made it possible?

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Wherever they could find or make opportunity, Best!  Check it out with any number of pedophile priests. Their "Boy Scouts" are the altar boys and other parish children  they molested.

Well, we know where bill clinton got his victims.

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The really odd thing, when you do any reading about the false claim that homosexuality=child molesters the articles always use Republicans as examples of folks with that idea. I guess the gay folks just don't know about beternnun and others like him, or, as I think the truth is, choose to ignore them because they won't go against anyone in their political party no matter what. Even funnier, they will ask a Republican that supports their rights, why they are Republicans. Crazy mixed up country.

As a former Boy Scout, I too find it disturbing that they have decided to go to a place they should never have been forced to go. There may have been homosexual leaders in the past, and I am sure there were homosexual scouts, but in essence what this does is to now condone a process that will directly allow these people to have access to children in a situation where they are very likely to be close contact or very little supervision. A week long campout in a secluded area is begging for untoward situations. The BSA are opening themselves up to a whole new level of liability and I bet their insurance companies are cringing at the thought. This used to be a good program.  I spent many years as a scout and learned a lot from my scoutmaster, but today I would think twice before sending a child or grandchild away to an encampment unless I myself were going along.

I find it hard to believe that there are that many openly gay men out there who WANT to be scoutmasters.  And then you have to question their motives.  Is it because they want to impress their agenda into young minds, or is it because they truly want to spend time outdoors with young men. Either way it is opening the door for something that is not needed in that program.

Originally Posted by teyates:

As a former Boy Scout, I too find it disturbing that they have decided to go to a place they should never have been forced to go. There may have been homosexual leaders in the past, and I am sure there were homosexual scouts, but in essence what this does is to now condone a process that will directly allow these people to have access to children in a situation where they are very likely to be close contact or very little supervision. A week long campout in a secluded area is begging for untoward situations. The BSA are opening themselves up to a whole new level of liability and I bet their insurance companies are cringing at the thought. This used to be a good program.  I spent many years as a scout and learned a lot from my scoutmaster, but today I would think twice before sending a child or grandchild away to an encampment unless I myself were going along.

I find it hard to believe that there are that many openly gay men out there who WANT to be scoutmasters.  And then you have to question their motives.  Is it because they want to impress their agenda into young minds, or is it because they truly want to spend time outdoors with young men. Either way it is opening the door for something that is not needed in that program.

I agree the difference in this case is you are letting adults who are attracted to males to be in the positions listed above.  This is sort of like letting straight males be Girl Scout leaders and have access to young girls in semi private settings.

No one if forcing them to go anywhere. And it's beyond silly to think this will in any way open the door to molesters that for some strange unknown reason, so you and beternnun want us to think, haven't been able to get at their prey before this. Who else do you not want to deal with if they're gay? How about doctors? Shouldn't they be shunned? Dealing with all that blood and stuff and just waiting to get their hands on all the little boys, and to let the homophopes tell it, all the straight men? Homophobes know that gay men don't want other gay men, they just want little boys and straight men. Let's just outlaw homosexuality, because goodness knows it's a choice people make just to upset folks like you and beternnun.

Sorry, but I am not going to get into an "us vs. them" argument with you. I am not a homophobe. Whether I think it is right or wrong, I do not treat them any differently.  It is their choice and their lives and until it affects me or my own, then it becomes my business.   I have friends who are gay, and much like what others have said, would you want a male adult to have access to young Girl Scouts in a secluded setting, without additional supervision present?  It is an invitation to a problem.  A large number of these "boy scouts" are not boys, they are young men. A true pedophile might not have an attraction to them, but think of it like a young man in charge of a bunch of young physically mature women.  I just think the BSA by doing this is setting themselves up for failure. It is not a mandatory organization.  One is not forced to join nor serve. They have the right to exclude and hold their values if they wish.

I'm not the one making it an "us vs them" issue. How is it even such a thing? Us who vs them who?  It's an issue of a ridiculous claim, that gay men are just chomping at the bits to get to young boys and that the boy scouts have just handed them over. Again, how many gay doctors are with young men and how many young, older, straight, male doctors are with women day in and day out? Naked women at that!!!!!!!! How about lesbian doctors and young females? Are lesbians as desperate as gay males?  Would you send your daughter off  with a lesbian leader, a lesbian doctor? Male teachers, female teachers, both with all that young male and female flesh at their beck and call. How do straight males and straight females manage to be with each other, sometimes alone, without going boinkers and grabbing each other?

 

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I agree the difference in this case is you are letting adults who are attracted to males to be in the positions listed above.  This is sort of like letting straight males be Girl Scout leaders and have access to young girls in semi private settings.

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So does that means you think all straight men will molest young girls if given "access" to them in semi-private settings?

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In the medical profession, doctors are never supposed to be alone with patients, without a chaperone. Whether it be opposite or similar sex.  To do so is inviting accusation.  One can only hope similar procedures are enacted by the BSA. I am involved in anther organization that deals with young adults and teenagers.  In that program all adults must be fingerprinted and run though government records to make sure that they have never been involved in a sexual accusation. Will that however stop an issue from developing?  NO, but at least sa***uards are being implemented.

The standards I am referring to are the values which the BSA has ascribed to for many years. And since you pointed it out, it does deal with Christianity, which is why so many troops are affiliated with churches, and the reason this edict is alleviating them from this measure.  the door for standards across the organization.  To allow one troop to not allow gay leaders and to allow another will erode the organization from within.  You can't have it both ways

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

I agree the difference in this case is you are letting adults who are attracted to males to be in the positions listed above.  This is sort of like letting straight males be Girl Scout leaders and have access to young girls in semi private settings.

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So that means you think all straight men will molest young girls if given "access" to them in semi

 

No, but there is the possibility.  Hormones are a strong thing and can make people of both sexes do things that they "normally" would not do.  Why create a situation where you invite this opportunity?

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Would you send your daughter off  with a lesbian leader, a lesbian doctor? Male teachers, female teachers, both with all that young male and female flesh at their beck and call. How do straight males and straight females manage to be with each other, sometimes alone, without going boinkers and grabbing each other?

 

The answer to your question is NO, I would not allow my daughter to go off with a known lesbian female, nor would I allow my son to do it either. I also would not allow them to go off without another adult present in the situation. Or allow them to be in a situation where I knew they would be in a one on one situation for an extended period of time alone. I am sorry if you don't agree, but I have seen too many people either accused or convicted. And I have seen too many children who have been accosted or abused. Some never speak up and carry that guilt and problems with them to adulthood.

 

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And since you pointed it out, it does deal with Christianity, which is why so many troops are affiliated with churches, and the reason this edict is alleviating them from this measure.  the door for standards across the organization. 

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I'm not sure where I pointed out anything dealing with Christianity, so show me. I mentioned the HPBC leaving children at the mercy of a straight child molester for almost two weeks, while they covered their butts. Beternnun is the one that posted priests are the ones turning out all the child molesters. I guess you're going to stick with the claim that gays can't be religious or moral people.

Originally Posted by teyates:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Would you send your daughter off  with a lesbian leader, a lesbian doctor? Male teachers, female teachers, both with all that young male and female flesh at their beck and call. How do straight males and straight females manage to be with each other, sometimes alone, without going boinkers and grabbing each other?

 

The answer to your question is NO, I would not allow my daughter to go off with a known lesbian female, nor would I allow my son to do it either. I also would not allow them to go off without another adult present in the situation. Or allow them to be in a situation where I knew they would be in a one on one situation for an extended period of time alone. I am sorry if you don't agree, but I have seen too many people either accused or convicted. And I have seen too many children who have been accosted or abused. Some never speak up and carry that guilt and problems with them to adulthood.

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It has nothing to do with me agreeing or disagreeing, but you go ahead and post what you want my posts/questions to mean and claim that's what I posted, even with the posts still there.

 

You mentioned the fact that I said they should ascribe to their "standards", and the standards I were referring to are those in the oath which I took as a scout. They refer to their duty to God and to remain morally straight. For the BSA to continue with those standards they will have to have separate standards for different units.  How can they allow one group, or troop, which may be based in a church to have a set of moral standards and another troop to have something different?  It is confusing. Since you ask I do think that homosexuals can be religious, but basically anyone can be religious. However, to actually follow the teachings as laid down by Christ and his apostles would make one a Christian, and they are two different things. I was taught, and continue to believe from my studies, that God does not condone homosexuality. To justify otherwise is to condone something that I do no think belongs in the church. The Bible also does not condone murder, adultery or divorce, yet many "religious" people still find a way to justify those actions.

I answered the question you asked me. Which was would I allow my daughter to go off with a lesbian leader or doctor. and the answer from me was NO, not if I knew it. Not sure what else you want out of me.

I don't want anything out of you except to stay honest about what I posted. I never mentioned standards. You brought up values, I asked what values. Apparently you think allowing gay leaders  somehow goes against a set of values or something. No idea why. I also never brought up christianity. I know there are plenty of moral and religious gay people, most would never consider molesting a child, and plenty that would love to be involved with them as any straight person would without a thought towards harming or molesting them. Being gay doesn't mean they aren't human.

 Well sorry, I was being honest. To me the standards and values espoused by the BSA, at least when I was involved, was more in line with Christian values. There are many churches which have moved away from the values which they had in the 70's. Which is one reason that the number of people who attend church has declined (IMO). Not to say I am right or wrong, but it is my belief that this opens a door for the end of the BSA. They cannot have two separate standards or sets of values for troops based on whether they are based in a church or not. It will not only confuse the scouts, but it will lead to legal issues. It spells the end for them.

I would not allow my daughter to go to a girl scout retreat with only a male.  I am simply for the same the only difference is it is a female attracted to girls.  I do not care if you are gay or not for me it is about who you are attracted to and to me that is common sense.  I am not saying anyone is a pedophile it is basically the same standard as today, women are Girl Scout leaders and men are Boy Scout leaders.
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

I don't want anything out of you except to stay honest about what I posted. I never mentioned standards. You brought up values, I asked what values. Apparently you think allowing gay leaders  somehow goes against a set of values or something. No idea why. I also never brought up christianity. I know there are plenty of moral and religious gay people, most would never consider molesting a child, and plenty that would love to be involved with them as any straight person would without a thought towards harming or molesting them. Being gay doesn't mean they aren't human.

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You insist that Teyates stay honest about what you posted.  Yet you grossly distort what I posted

about priests.  Here is what I posted, in answer to your question below::

 

BEST:  Where had these "sexual vampires" been getting their prey before the boy scouts made it possible? 

My reply:  "Wherever they could find or make opportunity, Best!  Check it out with any number of pedophile priests. Their "Boy Scouts" are the altar boys and other parish children  they molested."

 

Clearly, to any sensible person, my reply was in the nature of an example, and a good one at that, given the widespread and well-documented accounts of Catholic priest pedophiles

 

 

And here is how you distorted it: 

 

"Beternnun is the one that posted priests are the ones turning out all the child molesters."

 

"[A]ll"?  There is no "all" in my description, overtly or implied.  You have distorted and grossly misrepresented what I posted. Hypocrite! Try staying honest yourself!

Originally Posted by teyates:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Would you send your daughter off  with a lesbian leader, a lesbian doctor? Male teachers, female teachers, both with all that young male and female flesh at their beck and call. How do straight males and straight females manage to be with each other, sometimes alone, without going boinkers and grabbing each other?

 

The answer to your question is NO, I would not allow my daughter to go off with a known lesbian female, nor would I allow my son to do it either. I also would not allow them to go off without another adult present in the situation. Or allow them to be in a situation where I knew they would be in a one on one situation for an extended period of time alone. I am sorry if you don't agree, but I have seen too many people either accused or convicted. And I have seen too many children who have been accosted or abused. Some never speak up and carry that guilt and problems with them to adulthood.

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Good points, Teyates, but do not expect them to make a much of an impression on Best. She is motivated by her permissive ideological perspectives, not by  factual realities of the real world.

 

Wherever they could find or make opportunity, Best!  Check it out with any number of pedophile priests. Their "Boy Scouts" are the altar boys and other parish children  they molested.
 
 
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

There is no difference in homosexual child molesters and straight child molesters, yet you have no problem with straights being around kids. Where do the straight child molesters come from? You actually claim that a molested child grows up to be a molester? How about all the molesters in the coc and other denominations? Do their victims go on to molest?

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Why not answer this one beternnun? Could it be because you're only interested in running down the Catholics on this subject?

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 She is motivated by her permissive ideological perspectives,

 

Which are? You're sounding a lot like that other fanatic BG and his, if it feels good do it crap. You're a pip. Permissive? I have posted things to you for years that shows your hypocrisy and watched you either totally ignore them or dance around them or try to dismiss them by yelping about "so's yer old man".

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Originally Posted by Bestworking:

 She is motivated by her permissive ideological perspectives,

 

Which are? You're sounding a lot like that other fanatic BG and his, if it feels good do it crap. You're a pip. Permissive? I have posted things to you for years that shows your hypocrisy and watched you either totally ignore them or dance around them or try to dismiss them by yelping about "so's yer old man".

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"Which are?" Answer:  Which are obvious to anyone who has followed this forum.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Wherever they could find or make opportunity, Best!  Check it out with any number of pedophile priests. Their "Boy Scouts" are the altar boys and other parish children  they molested.
 
 
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

There is no difference in homosexual child molesters and straight child molesters, yet you have no problem with straights being around kids. Where do the straight child molesters come from? You actually claim that a molested child grows up to be a molester? How about all the molesters in the coc and other denominations? Do their victims go on to molest?

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Why not answer this one beternnun? Could it be because you're only interested in running down the Catholics on this subject?

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Why don't YOU answer my documentation of your false claim that I believe that priests are the ones turning out all child molesters? Why, when you are pinned down, do you deflect to some set of scattershot questions or comments that deflect from the subject?  As to molested children becoming molesters, I don't recall whether or where, if anywhere, I might have mentioned that.  But studies have shown that molested boys become molesters themselves at a frequency far exceeding that of the general population and that the more severely they are molested, the more likely they are to become molesters..  Check out page 2 (listed items 9 and 10) and page 12 of this scientific study:

http://www.childmolestationpre...n.org/pdfs/study.pdf

 

The study also notes a number of differences between homosexual and heterosexual molesters. 

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You claim:

 

 Wherever they could find or make opportunity, Best!  Check it out with any number of pedophile priests. Their "Boy Scouts" are the altar boys and other parish children  they molested.

And this:

If you do not believe that placing known homosexual male authority figures in  close relationships with young males of Boy Scout age will result in an increased incidence of pedophilia, then you are living in a world about 1000 light years beyond  La-La Land. 

 

 

Even though this was about boy scouts you just HAD to bring up the priests and you posted an INCREASE in pedophilia so I asked you.

 

Where do the straight child molesters come from? You actually claim that a molested child grows up to be a molester? How about all the molesters in the coc and other denominations? Do their victims go on to molest?

 

No answer. You aren't interested in other denominations, just Catholics.

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Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Why don't YOU answer my documentation of your false claim that I believe that priests are the ones turning out all child molesters?

 

I did answer your, pfttttttttttt documentation.

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I find no such answer anywhere in this string. If you think you did answer that one, then cut and paste it here from your supposed answer:

 

 

Originally Posted by Contendahh:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

 She is motivated by her permissive ideological perspectives,

 

Which are? You're sounding a lot like that other fanatic BG and his, if it feels good do it crap. You're a pip. Permissive? I have posted things to you for years that shows your hypocrisy and watched you either totally ignore them or dance around them or try to dismiss them by yelping about "so's yer old man".

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"Which are?" Answer:  Which are obvious to anyone who has followed this forum.

Well then BG wannabe, you should have no problem posting my "permissive ideological perspectives".

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

You claim:

 

 Wherever they could find or make opportunity, Best!  Check it out with any number of pedophile priests. Their "Boy Scouts" are the altar boys and other parish children  they molested.

And this:

If you do not believe that placing known homosexual male authority figures in  close relationships with young males of Boy Scout age will result in an increased incidence of pedophilia, then you are living in a world about 1000 light years beyond  La-La Land. 

 

 

Even though this was about boy scouts you just HAD to bring up the priests and you posted an INCREASE in pedophilia so I asked you.

 

Where do the straight child molesters come from? You actually claim that a molested child grows up to be a molester? How about all the molesters in the coc and other denominations? Do their victims go on to molest?

 

No answer. You aren't interested in other denominations, just Catholics.

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If you had actually read the info in the link I provided, you could have gotten your ignorant self way up the learning curve concerning child molestation and who the molesters are in terms of background and experience.  You could have read the definitive study I provided, with its hard documentation that discusses the phenomenon of molested persons becoming themselves molesters. Obviously you cared not to educate your terminally opinionated self.

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