I would like to see the original story. Where can I find it?
If teachers and administrators know the TRUTH, they will deal with it...28 years and I have never seen a situation go unresolved...students will lie and embellish...it is about time the public became aware of the awesome responsibilites, especially in the light of SPECIAL EDUCATION situations, of teachers and administrators.
quote:Originally posted by Brentenman:
The thing I hated about being paddled was the degrading feeling I got when I was told to go into the hall......and I didn't do it again. I also dreaded facing my folks when I got home.
LOL...the thing I hated was not being able to breathe for a few seconds!
I agree. Suspending a kid who's a trouble-maker amounts to a 3 day vacation. They need to give our teachers back their authority and their paddles!
Can't do that paddling stuff now...demeaning to a child's self-esteem......and, teachers refrain because of lawyers and parents who don't cooperate for the best of the child..
quote:Originally posted by robynhutto:
I would like to see the original story. Where can I find it?
http://www.waff.com/Global/story.asp?S=5805741&nav=menu62_1_4
The folks that have done such garbage may be young, but they are most certainly NOT "ladies."
There are other, more fully descriptive pejoratives which accurately depict their character.
There are other, more fully descriptive pejoratives which accurately depict their character.
Joy, I apologize, didnt mean to get on my soap box...of course, we have our problems...and our problems are open to the community, as they should be....but schools deal with difficult teachers in their own way...
No problem, Elijah. I spoke of one bad incident, but what I didn't speak of is all of the good incidents, where problems where handled as they should be. Good far outweighs the bad. I appreciate the hard work and dedication of the overwelming majority of teachers and administrators in this area.
NASA...Although I see what you are saying, think about this. Remember when you were 12 or 13. Would you ever in a million years have thought of doing what these girls did? I wouldn't have. Not only would I have NEVER humiliated someone like that, but I would have known the consequences would be swift and painful. I think, like many here have expressed, that this is where the problem lies. There are no serious consequences for this type of behavior and so it is getting progressively worse.
I think there is a problem here with WAFF...they did not wait to get both sides of this...because of the sensationalism of this incident they went ahead with their dramatics..regardless of the impact on the school and community.....sensationalism is the key ingredient to their newscast...
WAFF sensationalizes everything.
I'm surprised Dan "the man, I see rotation" Satterfield is not over there!
They're quite perfect for each other!
I'm surprised Dan "the man, I see rotation" Satterfield is not over there!
They're quite perfect for each other!
As far as 2 PE teachers for 100 students...from
what I've heard from my children if a PE teacher has anything to do with football they are never in the gym with the kids anyway. There does not appear to be any structure or curriculum for that matter. No wonder there are problems.
what I've heard from my children if a PE teacher has anything to do with football they are never in the gym with the kids anyway. There does not appear to be any structure or curriculum for that matter. No wonder there are problems.
Shoals Lover, I beleive you have WAFF confused with WHNT. THey are the ones that have Dan Satterfield and usually blow everything out of porportion.
"as far as I've heard from my children"...nstrange take a walk through your school's gym sometime during the school day...spend a little time at your children's school....
quote:Originally posted by Bama Sunshine:
Mr. Peebles, I cannot help but believe that you are not telling the entire true story or that you are naïve. I have a son and two daughters that attend Brooks High. All three of them know Ashley well. She is playing you and your wife like a well-tuned fiddle. Ashley has been calling other girls sluts and whores since the forth grade. She has also been accused of stealing by several people.
I went to a Brooks youth football game the year before last where your daughter was a cheerleader. I remember the Killen police being called and your daughter and wife being removed and banned from attending any more youth football events that year. Your wife grabbed a little girl and it was because of Ashley’s inability to interact with other girls. You and your wife need to do some more investigating.
Your wife went to Brooks High at the beginning of this school year and got into a verbal confrontation with a black girl. Your wife shouted at the girl and said to her, “ Why don’t you take your black ass back to Africa”. With that kind of language coming from a parent you must wonder about the child.
How could you allow the media to publicly use your daughter’s name? In my opinion that was a foolish thing to do, but it is your child and you are a media person yourself.
I will say it once again, investigate your daughter’s behavior and stop being naïve.
Well I don’t know quite what to say to this except that you’re all over the map here. Based on how exaggerated your general accusations are and how inaccurate your specific accusations are, I feel that there must be some reason our exposing this situation is making you defensive. Why and how could you post things as “fact” when they aren’t even “facts”? ...especially taking such an accusing tone toward a 12 year old child whom I believe no one who knows her situation first-hand could or would argue is not being emotionally tortured.
1. Is receiving a voicemail message (of which I have retained a recorded copy) by another child laughing and threatening to slit her throat “playing us like a well-tuned fiddle”?
2. Is receiving heinous vulgar and threatening text messages on her cell phone which we have personally been witness to “playing us like a well-tuned fiddle”?
3. Is receiving heinous vulgar and threatening messages from classmates via her MySpace page (of which we have retained copies) “playing us like a well-tuned fiddle”?
4. Is having her name slandered in writing on the school’s gym locker room bench (of which we have pictures) “playing us like a well-tuned fiddle”?
Let me say that while I will allow my child to defend herself in reasonable and civilized ways…I will NOT allow her to stoop to the level that the above kids have. Please show me some evidence of where she has instigated any horrid exchanges of name-calling and/or evidence of where she has stolen ANYTHING (I don’t care if it’s a paperclip) so I can confront her with such…immediately…in order to prevent her from going down the wrong road. As long as my daughter lives in my house she will be required to choose right from wrong REGARDLESS of what the standards and actions of her peers are.
***** Your second paragraph goes beyond being inaccurate. It’s not only slanderous but, laughable (maybe one day I may be able to laugh about such pathetic circumstances). Did you question the PRESIDENT of the cheerleading program OR the Killen police department about this before you wrote such an intellectually stimulating (with sarcasm of course) post on the events that you must NOT have personally witnessed that day? This situation with my daughter is REAL and very sad and shouldn’t be used by you as your own personal soap opera.
The events that day (a Saturday) were over uniform money that had not yet been turned in by the due date. We had forgotten about the deadline. Knowing this before we even showed up, we phoned the president of the cheerleading program and she said “no problem” and that Ashley would be able to cheer that day. She asked us to turn the money in at practice the following Thursday. However, when we showed up, the coach, in a seemingly cheerful way for some reason, approached me and said “Ashley will not be able to cheer today because her uniform money wasn’t turned in”. I told her that the president had said Ashley could cheer and that we were asked to turn the money in by Thursday. When she immediately let us know she wouldn’t accept the president’s decision, we got into a verbal argument in which I told her I couldn’t believe she would do this to my daughter. She then informed me that she had the authority (which unfortunately she did) to make us leave the event. I was in disbelief and decided to reject her demand for us to leave and wait for the president to arrive and settle the matter. Apparently this was a bit of a blow to the coach’s ego so she threatened to call the police. I told her to go ahead and do so knowing the president would settle the matter for us. Well, unknown to me, my wife was on her cell phone with the president of the program who finally just suggested that we go ahead and leave before the situation got any higher on the silly scale. I didn’t like it because I felt I was giving in to an insanely unfair situation. We later spoke with the president of the program who emphasized to us how much trouble this particular coach had been within the program. She admitted that this coach had even caused a scene during one of the cheerleading board meetings. WE HAVE THIS DOCUMENTED and it would probably not be something the coach would like to hear as it might further wound her ego. We were even offered a refund of our fees for cheerleading…which according to the bylaws of the program cannot be done if parents cause trouble at an event. Further, we were NOT banned from ANY youth football events. Even further…where in God’s universe could you have seen or heard anything that would prove or suggest that my wife grabbed a little girl??? My wife is many things, but definitely NOT stupid. Show us something on that please (it’s a rhetorical question as I know you can’t). A parent grabbing or assaulting another child physically in ANY way would NEVER have gone without some sort of documentation!
**** The only altercation between my daughter and a black classmate wasn’t at “the beginning of this school year”, it was at a Thursday night junior varsity football game and recently within the last couple of months. This girl had threatened to physically assault my daughter earlier that day and according to statements to the police by WITNESSES, neither my daughter NOR my wife EVER said to her “Why don’t you take your black ass back to Africa”. This was used as an excuse to physically assault my daughter. Fact is… the black girl in question DID verbally assault my wife with a rather silly insult. My wife was a bit shocked that a young teenage girl would actually verbally insult an adult and was understandably unable to respond in any way other than to tell her not to touch our daughter as she said she was going to do…and DID.
We have NEVER nor will we EVER insult or physically assault someone else’s child. What adult does that??? I think such behavior would be beneath even the some of the most unsophisticated…not to mention it would be a guaranteed legal nightmare.
As far as allowing my daughter’s name to be used on air…I feel it’s necessary that this problem be dealt with head-on for the sake of my daughter as well as every other child in the Lauderdale County school system.
I am glad that your children aren’t experiencing these types of problems and I hope they NEVER will. I hope you and your children (or anyone else’s children for that matter) NEVER have to experience this kind of hurt.
quote:Originally posted by Bama Sunshine:quote:Originally posted by Bama Sunshine:
Mr. Peebles, I cannot help but believe that you are not telling the entire true story or that you are naïve. I have a son and two daughters that attend Brooks High. All three of them know Ashley well. She is playing you and your wife like a well-tuned fiddle. Ashley has been calling other girls sluts and whores since the forth grade. She has also been accused of stealing by several people.
I went to a Brooks youth football game the year before last where your daughter was a cheerleader. I remember the Killen police being called and your daughter and wife being removed and banned from attending any more youth football events that year. Your wife grabbed a little girl and it was because of Ashley’s inability to interact with other girls. You and your wife need to do some more investigating.
Your wife went to Brooks High at the beginning of this school year and got into a verbal confrontation with a black girl. Your wife shouted at the girl and said to her, “ Why don’t you take your black ass back to Africa”. With that kind of language coming from a parent you must wonder about the child.
How could you allow the media to publicly use your daughter’s name? In my opinion that was a foolish thing to do, but it is your child and you are a media person yourself.
I will say it once again, investigate your daughter’s behavior and stop being naïve.
I wanted to add that the Brooks High School faculty does a great job. Teachers should not have to baby sit children once they get to high school. The parents should be the ones taking care of that issue at home. GREAT JOB BROOKS FACULTY! Don't let this misguided media attention bother you. If anything maybe the truth will come out and work in your favor.
Nowhere did I accuse anyone except the PE teacher of doing a poor job. I feel negatively about the PE teacher because of vulgar written insults I found that have been left (apparently for some time) on the benches in the locker room at the gym. In response to my post on this you said “GREAT JOB BROOKS FACULTY”? Are you in approval of the vulgar and slanderous messages in the locker room? Maybe I should post the pictures so you, your friends, and the parents of the other children whose names are written there can see first-hand what you’re cheering about.
I don’t make “accusations” until I have the WHOLE picture in order to avoid making a mistake at someone else’s expense. Maybe you should adopt a similar principle.
quote:"...there is a problem here with WAFF...they did not wait to get both sides of this...because of the sensationalism..."
WAFF did a story on mail box "bombs" in Decatur.
BOMBS!
Mail boxes!
Yer gonna' git kilt!
Turns out, it was some kid pranksters putting Dranō and alumimum foil is a 20 oz soft drink bottle.
But WAFF said IT WAS A BOMB! A BOMB! A BOMB! YAAAAAH! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!
LMAO!
That's why ol' Dan "the man, I see rotataion" Satterfield would be a perfect fit with WAFF.
quote:Originally posted by NASA_ISS:
What happened to Dan Beavers comment?
I also graduated from BHS in 1990. I don't remember "stuck up" people or "mean girls". I always thought we got along well. Harlon Hill was principal, we were afraid not too. I have one son in seventh grade with Ashley and I have another son at the elementary. They both love Brooks and wouldn't go anywhere else.
I don't want to see Brooks get put down because of this incident. All schools have these kinds of problems, not just Brooks.
Please remember these are 12 and 13 year old kids actting like 12 and 13 kids. Kids act bad at every school. They lie to get out of trouble, they make things up to get attention they call each other nasty names, etc.
This doesn't make it right, but we have to remember who we are dealing with CHILDREN!!!
I know I would feel bad and want the school to do something and probally get very mad about the entire situation. I know I would not call WAFF and have my child's problems plaster all across the screen. This isn't helping anyone and is makeing our school look really bad. When other schools have problems far worse.
I was at the youth football game when the police were called. I, however, remember it a bit differently, The police were called to remove Ashley's parents from the field because they were causeing a sceen, not to protect Ashley. Ashley's mother was screaming at another parent. (She had yelled at this parent's daughter the day before at school.)
Is it possible Mr.and Mrs. Peoples caused their daughter's problems with their actions? Parents don't want their children to be friends with children who have parents that have to be escorted off the field. I know I don't.
Parents need to realize their child is not always innocent and kids are kids.
Brooks is a great school I'm glad I went there and I'm happy to be sending my children there.
Well, seems “coach” beavers is combining two different instances and getting them both wrong. See my response to the other individual who tried describing the same but with their own flare as well. Apparently, he wasn’t a first-hand witness either because it is a FACT that we were and have NEVER been “removed” OR “escorted” from ANY field or ANY event ANYWHERE. I whole-heartedly invite him or anyone to check on that and produce it for all to see.
I never met “coach” beavers, never saw him, never spoke to him the day the cheerleading incident took place (see my earlier response to another posting for the info). Fact is, for all those who are familiar with the BHS football field, the arguing took place in the back corner by the gate near the old concession building. It was reported to us by a friend who was there that day, but didn’t personally witness the incident itself, that the “coach”, after we left, had told everyone he was right there during the whole thing, but….had actually been ON THE FIELD with his team either playing or warming up (can’t remember which). Amazing how some adults feel it’s justifiable to sacrifice their own dignity in order to remain in good standing with an adult click (?) as if they were still in school themselves.
I’m beginning to see where one of the writers of one of the first posts was coming from when referring to BHS as “stuck-up”. Oh, sorry “coach”...you said you never felt anyone at BHS was “stuck-up” or that there were any “mean girls”. Maybe it really wasn’t that way then…or maybe…for you. If anyone tried to say these problems don’t exist at BHS now… I would assume that they are either part of the “popular” crowd or wanting badly to get into or impress the “popular” crowd. I would invite them to refer to the story “The Emperors New Clothes”.
I have to say that i do not doubt any of this about this little girl.I graduated from brooks in 2005.I know all about the clicks and how the girls are up there. I was done the same way this girl was and i did not do anything to anyone. i keep my nose in my own business. When i was a junior, my car got keyed, dents beaten in it, and all 4 tires lashed by a girl becuase i was dating her ex-boyfriend. When all of this happened i went to the principals and they told there was nothing they could about it. I finanlly took matters into my own hands. I had a restraining order put on the girl and she ended up having to move schools. I have not seen her since. All the way through high school i was called bad names from people i did not even know. I did not do anything to anyone in that school, but i was still considered a bad person. But let me tell you my children will not go to brooks because of the people that go. Brooks use to have a great reputation but not anymore.
just a thought here, but is it really a good idea discussing this issue with the father of the child involved on a public message forum?
Seriously,if this situation leads to legal implications,he could be harming his childs case.
Everyone knows how the money folks kids clique(just like their parents) and the Killen area became the fashionable place for them to live over the past 15 yrs or so.This family is up against enough the way the authorities suck up to that circle of folks.
Seriously,if this situation leads to legal implications,he could be harming his childs case.
Everyone knows how the money folks kids clique(just like their parents) and the Killen area became the fashionable place for them to live over the past 15 yrs or so.This family is up against enough the way the authorities suck up to that circle of folks.
When I was in school at Brooks in the late 70's and early 80's, it never entered our minds to be stuck up. I think we actually felt that other schools looked down on us a little. The city school kids called us hicks because we were a county school and the other county school kids looked down on us because we were a 'new' school.
Have the demographics of Killen changed enough to make kids at Brooks feel privileged, or are kids now just more prone to be stuck up? When I was at Brooks, most of the families were working class, with dads working at Ford, Reynolds and Champion.
And to NASA...you mentioned Coach Hill as our principal. Didn't you think that he did a good job? He wasn't mean, he was just serious and consistent and we knew it. I respected him and wouldn't have wanted to disappoint him or cause him any trouble.
Have the demographics of Killen changed enough to make kids at Brooks feel privileged, or are kids now just more prone to be stuck up? When I was at Brooks, most of the families were working class, with dads working at Ford, Reynolds and Champion.
And to NASA...you mentioned Coach Hill as our principal. Didn't you think that he did a good job? He wasn't mean, he was just serious and consistent and we knew it. I respected him and wouldn't have wanted to disappoint him or cause him any trouble.
SMURPH,
I guess you just answered my question about the demographics in Killen. I wasn't aware that Killen had become 'fasionable'!
I guess you just answered my question about the demographics in Killen. I wasn't aware that Killen had become 'fasionable'!
All I can add is WOW what a thread. Agree with smurph might be a bit much for a public forum
I have to say as a former Killen resident and one who recently moved back to the area, I don't feel that there is a clique mentality or that the dynamics have changed that much since my family moved in the early 90's. And I must agree with HomesickGirl in that most of the city kids looked down on us more than we looked down upon anyone else. I will agree that there was typical childhood meanness but I didn't witness it getting out of hand.
Coach Hill was the principal and we all respected his authority there. The major issue with our children today is they have not been taught to respect authority. We allowed them flexibility to question and that has morphed into a total lack of respect for authority or anything that they don't like.
Coach Hill was the principal and we all respected his authority there. The major issue with our children today is they have not been taught to respect authority. We allowed them flexibility to question and that has morphed into a total lack of respect for authority or anything that they don't like.
quote:WAFF did a story on mail box "bombs" in Decatur.
BOMBS!
Mail boxes!
Yer gonna' git kilt!
Turns out, it was some kid pranksters putting Dranō and alumimum foil is a 20 oz soft drink bottle.
But WAFF said IT WAS A BOMB! A BOMB! A BOMB! YAAAAAH! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!
LMAO!
Do you know what you get when you combine those items? Hydrogen gas and hydrochloric acid. NOT FUNNY.
What??? No clique's at Brooks? Hmmmmmmmmm....
Myself, and several that I know of back then, and the few I keep in contact from various grade levels at and behind me can confidently say that cliques are/were at Brooks....In fact, most schools have cliques of some sort or another..be it financially, socially, religious, or for whatever reason.
Just the way it is, no matter where you go. I will keep it at that......
Myself, and several that I know of back then, and the few I keep in contact from various grade levels at and behind me can confidently say that cliques are/were at Brooks....In fact, most schools have cliques of some sort or another..be it financially, socially, religious, or for whatever reason.
Just the way it is, no matter where you go. I will keep it at that......
It is absolutely horrific how the kids have the "power" and school officials turn their backs, every chance they get. I am not necessarily speaking of Brooks,
In the early nineties, my kids saw things going on, my son even told a teacher about a girl getting 'harrassed' by a jock... NOTHING, I mean absolutely NOTHING was done. This poor girl ended up quitting school to stop the sexual harassment, and the school KNEW it!!!
I truly believe that schools are scared of some students, either scared of what the kid will do, or scared of their reputations if the kid is a jock.
I know how much we have read about school shootings, and I thank God it hasn't happened to any of our children... but could these events be a precursor???
Mr. Peeples, I am sorry for what your daughter is having to endure, there is absolutely NO excuse for it...NONE, and any teacher, principal, or other school official who doesnt empower themselves to put a stop to kids being bullies and heathens then God help us all.
In the early nineties, my kids saw things going on, my son even told a teacher about a girl getting 'harrassed' by a jock... NOTHING, I mean absolutely NOTHING was done. This poor girl ended up quitting school to stop the sexual harassment, and the school KNEW it!!!
I truly believe that schools are scared of some students, either scared of what the kid will do, or scared of their reputations if the kid is a jock.
I know how much we have read about school shootings, and I thank God it hasn't happened to any of our children... but could these events be a precursor???
Mr. Peeples, I am sorry for what your daughter is having to endure, there is absolutely NO excuse for it...NONE, and any teacher, principal, or other school official who doesnt empower themselves to put a stop to kids being bullies and heathens then God help us all.
quote:Originally posted by Shoals Lover:quote:"...there is a problem here with WAFF...they did not wait to get both sides of this...because of the sensationalism..."
WAFF did a story on mail box "bombs" in Decatur.
BOMBS!
Mail boxes!
Yer gonna' git kilt!
Turns out, it was some kid pranksters putting Dranō and alumimum foil is a 20 oz soft drink bottle.
But WAFF said IT WAS A BOMB! A BOMB! A BOMB! YAAAAAH! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!
LMAO!
That's why ol' Dan "the man, I see rotataion" Satterfield would be a perfect fit with WAFF.
The WAFF Shoals reporter Byars is the one I think you are thinking of. He is the one the falsely reported that Alabama football player Freddie Roach was involved in an shooting and running from police or something like that at the Fiesta club in Sheffield. The last rumor I herd was that Freddie was going to file a law suit. Maybe Byars has something against Brooks High school, after all that is where Freddie Roach graduated from.
Brentenman,
Of course there were 'cliques' when I was at Brooks, but I don't remember any of them being based on affluence. The idea of Killen as fashionable or affluent wasn't there.
The cliques I knew of were based on interests, inside school or outside, rather than for the purpose of excluding people.
I will say that there was a certain extracurricular activity that was a big clique, and the students involved in it were openly hostile to kids in other activities. But I won' go there...
Of course, this was 20-some odd years ago, so I'm sure things have changed.
You probably went to school with some of my (much) younger relatives! I'll have to ask them what their experience was like.
Of course there were 'cliques' when I was at Brooks, but I don't remember any of them being based on affluence. The idea of Killen as fashionable or affluent wasn't there.
The cliques I knew of were based on interests, inside school or outside, rather than for the purpose of excluding people.
I will say that there was a certain extracurricular activity that was a big clique, and the students involved in it were openly hostile to kids in other activities. But I won' go there...
Of course, this was 20-some odd years ago, so I'm sure things have changed.
You probably went to school with some of my (much) younger relatives! I'll have to ask them what their experience was like.
I agree with you Homesickgirl. I graduated form Coffee in 1981 and I had and still have some good friends that went to Brooks, Rogers, Wilson and other area schools. The guys and girls I associated with from Brooks were not wealthy. They were good fun down to earth people. Of course me being form Coffee, they looked up to me, LOL, just kidding!
In college there are fraternities and sororities are they cliques? Coffee and Bradshaw girls used to have sororities. When I graduated girls were crying but it was because it was the end of an era or time in their life. I’m sure it was not because they were losing their clique. There are always people that feel inferior and most of the time it is in their own minds. In response to it they accuse others of being stuck up.
How can a PE teacher watch a girls locker room to see who is writing graffiti all of the time? If cameras are installed someone would scream that the school was violated privacy. How does Mark know his daughter is not writing graffiti also? He doesn’t know that for certain. Kids will be kids and there is no way to change that. Yes it is sad for a child not to be included or avoided by the others but that’s the way kids are and have been for ages. I doubt it’s going to change now.
I agree with another poster that all of the girls involved should have to do community service together. If they fail to get along then let them continue until they do.
This is just my opinion from what I have read.
In college there are fraternities and sororities are they cliques? Coffee and Bradshaw girls used to have sororities. When I graduated girls were crying but it was because it was the end of an era or time in their life. I’m sure it was not because they were losing their clique. There are always people that feel inferior and most of the time it is in their own minds. In response to it they accuse others of being stuck up.
How can a PE teacher watch a girls locker room to see who is writing graffiti all of the time? If cameras are installed someone would scream that the school was violated privacy. How does Mark know his daughter is not writing graffiti also? He doesn’t know that for certain. Kids will be kids and there is no way to change that. Yes it is sad for a child not to be included or avoided by the others but that’s the way kids are and have been for ages. I doubt it’s going to change now.
I agree with another poster that all of the girls involved should have to do community service together. If they fail to get along then let them continue until they do.
This is just my opinion from what I have read.
I guess I may be telling my age, but I remember when the Brooks basketball team used Rogers gym for pracice. Brooks was a joke back them. My how things have changed in the last 30 something years. It used be a real trip to go to Florence. I just hope it stays on it's side of Shoal Creek and I'll stay on mine, and shoot my 270wsm in my backyard whenever I want.
"Kids have the power and school officials turn their back....scared of what the kid will do..or scared of their reputation if the kid is a "jock".....okay, you said it Kindred, now back it up....where did this happen and when..I am tired of people throwing stuff up about schools and education....as I have invited others ... come to the school... spend a couple of days there as a substitute ...then see how you feel.....28 years in education and I'm proud of our public schools in Lauderdale County.
"Teachers, principals stopping kids from being bullies....I think that says it all in a nutshell....you want the schools to do it all...you want us to wetnurse your kid....teach them manners....teach them to get along well with others....teach them patriotic and moral principles, and, oh yes, in there somewhere is math, English, science, and etc.....THIS IS EXACTLY WHERE THE PROBLEM IS ... NO MENTION OF PARENTAL RESPONSIBILITY....You're correct God help all teachers and principals....we need it everyday!
elijah1945:
Ditto.
Get a load of this:
When my wife was teaching kindergarden a few years back, she had pre-schoolterm parent meet the teacher meeting....At the meeting, one parent informed my wife that "my son is not toilet trained yet". My wife then told the parent "he had better be toilet trained by Monday. I do not teach toilet training. That is on YOU. He deficates or uninates in his breeches, I am calling YOU to clean him up."
Yes, this actually happened.
Parents, or lack thereof, are failing to teach students common sense. That is their job. Not the teacher's job.
How does this affect national security? Simple:
without educated citizens, our country becomes dependant on bringing in foreigners. Eventually, you have doctors from India, Manuel Labor from south of the border, scientists from China or Japan (some are Communist). Eventually, Americans become foolish and vain, ala Britney Spears, Lindsy Lohan, Nicole Ritchie, and Paris Hilton. Hollywierd is what foreign countries think the U.S. is,,,,,no wonder they don't respect us...especially if we have kids and young people running around like that.
Then, kids get fatter, kids don't care about school, then they get dumber. They catch "entitlement disease". THey get bored, so they do mischief, which leads to criminal acts.
So, you ask, what does all this have to do with national defense? Simple:
U.S. Army's target for recruits is 18-24 year old males (female slots are OK and easily filled). Those are your combat troops. Roughly 30 million today re in that age bracket.
However, 75%, yes, SEVENTY FIVE PERCENT are NOT QUALIFIED. Why? 1. do not meet fitness standards, aka obese, aka FAT. 2. do not meet moral character, aka they have a criminal record 3. do not qualify academically, that is they do not have basic comprehension and education. 4. Then, the social stigma of "I don't want my son to serve" or "I don't see what is in it for me...uh, what is service" falls in....Entitlement Disease.
5. The smart ones the Army has to compete against corporate America, institutions of higher learning, etc....
Yep, it does affect national security. My source? A 4-star General told us this ( I was in a panel that had a 1 on 1 discussion) 2 weeks ago....If you want his name, PM me for it.
Ditto.
Get a load of this:
When my wife was teaching kindergarden a few years back, she had pre-schoolterm parent meet the teacher meeting....At the meeting, one parent informed my wife that "my son is not toilet trained yet". My wife then told the parent "he had better be toilet trained by Monday. I do not teach toilet training. That is on YOU. He deficates or uninates in his breeches, I am calling YOU to clean him up."
Yes, this actually happened.
Parents, or lack thereof, are failing to teach students common sense. That is their job. Not the teacher's job.
How does this affect national security? Simple:
without educated citizens, our country becomes dependant on bringing in foreigners. Eventually, you have doctors from India, Manuel Labor from south of the border, scientists from China or Japan (some are Communist). Eventually, Americans become foolish and vain, ala Britney Spears, Lindsy Lohan, Nicole Ritchie, and Paris Hilton. Hollywierd is what foreign countries think the U.S. is,,,,,no wonder they don't respect us...especially if we have kids and young people running around like that.
Then, kids get fatter, kids don't care about school, then they get dumber. They catch "entitlement disease". THey get bored, so they do mischief, which leads to criminal acts.
So, you ask, what does all this have to do with national defense? Simple:
U.S. Army's target for recruits is 18-24 year old males (female slots are OK and easily filled). Those are your combat troops. Roughly 30 million today re in that age bracket.
However, 75%, yes, SEVENTY FIVE PERCENT are NOT QUALIFIED. Why? 1. do not meet fitness standards, aka obese, aka FAT. 2. do not meet moral character, aka they have a criminal record 3. do not qualify academically, that is they do not have basic comprehension and education. 4. Then, the social stigma of "I don't want my son to serve" or "I don't see what is in it for me...uh, what is service" falls in....Entitlement Disease.
5. The smart ones the Army has to compete against corporate America, institutions of higher learning, etc....
Yep, it does affect national security. My source? A 4-star General told us this ( I was in a panel that had a 1 on 1 discussion) 2 weeks ago....If you want his name, PM me for it.
There are 2 sides to every story and as with this one they can be very different. Most of the time there are truths to both and exaggerations to both. This is why there are guidelines in place that need to be followed by those in charge.
Regardless of who did what and said what these are the things that MUST be addressed by those in charge at Brooks and the Laud. Co. Board.
1) Threat of violence toward another person is assault by legal definition. This is a crime, not just bullying or hazing. "Kids will be kids" is a lame excuse for adults not doing their job (this situation is MUCH more than kids being kids.)
2) The incidents clearly fall under Section 16-1-24.1 of the code of Alabama where the principal and board have a clear DUTY to get involved and correct the situation.
Link to Section 16-1-24.1
Look it up and scan for the word "harm" and you'll see that there is a solution to this problem as far as the school is concerned.
All legal stuff aside - by the time kids are 12 it is too late to start with teaching morals. Parents of younger children take note and get your act together while you have time. Those with older kids needs to face up to your faults and theirs and get some help correcting things.
Brooks or any Shoals area school does not need national exposure for a situation like this gone bad. NIP IT NOW before it is too late.
Regardless of who did what and said what these are the things that MUST be addressed by those in charge at Brooks and the Laud. Co. Board.
1) Threat of violence toward another person is assault by legal definition. This is a crime, not just bullying or hazing. "Kids will be kids" is a lame excuse for adults not doing their job (this situation is MUCH more than kids being kids.)
2) The incidents clearly fall under Section 16-1-24.1 of the code of Alabama where the principal and board have a clear DUTY to get involved and correct the situation.
Link to Section 16-1-24.1
Look it up and scan for the word "harm" and you'll see that there is a solution to this problem as far as the school is concerned.
All legal stuff aside - by the time kids are 12 it is too late to start with teaching morals. Parents of younger children take note and get your act together while you have time. Those with older kids needs to face up to your faults and theirs and get some help correcting things.
Brooks or any Shoals area school does not need national exposure for a situation like this gone bad. NIP IT NOW before it is too late.
First of all, ask a teacher who has been teaching for a few years and she or he can tell you how the students have changed--for the worse--over the years. Not only is their behavior much worse, but so is their academic knowledge. Teachers are challenged to teach students who each year come to them knowing less and less. A teacher's job is a hard one, and I speak from personal experience.
However, if a teacher is not the one in charge of teaching, guiding, and protecting your children during the school day on school grounds, who is??? The parents are not at the school physically to do this; it is the duty and job of the teachers and apparently at least some of the teachers and/or administrators are not doing their job at Brooks. I'm not excusing parents by any means. Parents provide the moral base, and that is, of course, part of the problem. But we are talking about the educational environment specifically. Even if the children don't have proper adult role models at home, the teachers MUST be good role models, MUST protect students, and MUST FOLLOW THE LAWS set by the state of Alabama written for the protection of students.
I know Ashley and no one, not even her parents, are claiming that she is a perfect human being. However, some of you who say "kids will be kids" are part of the problem. Excusing this extreme behavior with "kids will be kids" is a very sad commentary on the adults who are accepting poorer and poorer behavior as acceptable. This situation is not what most of us think of when we think of the difficulties of a seventh grader learning how to get along with others. This definitely goes over the edge.
Some of you have great memories of when Harlan Hill was at Brooks. Do you remember any similar things being in the p. e. dressing rooms then? When I was in school, most of us would not deface public property out of respect--and anyone who did was summarily disciplined! The p. e. coach would often stay in the dressing room with us, and she would lock the dressing room when we left (so nothing would get stolen). Now how hard it that????? It is bad enough that these young girls are so sexually graphic in their comments, but it is a sign of the problem when adults attempt to excuse the coach as if she cannot handle her class. Granted, she needs the backing of the administration to be effective, and it seems that is also part of the problem. A good administrator knows his school, so did these administators not know their school, or did they just leave the horrendous writing when they saw it there? After reading the Alabama Code, it seems these teachers and administrators have failed in their jobs miserably.
Ashley is not the only child suffering through this. The names were blocked out of the pictures shown on the air, but other girls' names were written there, as well. There are other parents who, if they knew, would be at the door of the principal asking how in the world he could let their daughter(s) face that every day in the dressing room. But this situation involves more than just the writing in the dressing room; that was the last straw for Ashley's parents.
I appreciate so much Channel 48 being willing to bring this to the public light. I think that is the only way this is going to be fixed--hopefully things will improve for all the girls at Brooks.
However, if a teacher is not the one in charge of teaching, guiding, and protecting your children during the school day on school grounds, who is??? The parents are not at the school physically to do this; it is the duty and job of the teachers and apparently at least some of the teachers and/or administrators are not doing their job at Brooks. I'm not excusing parents by any means. Parents provide the moral base, and that is, of course, part of the problem. But we are talking about the educational environment specifically. Even if the children don't have proper adult role models at home, the teachers MUST be good role models, MUST protect students, and MUST FOLLOW THE LAWS set by the state of Alabama written for the protection of students.
I know Ashley and no one, not even her parents, are claiming that she is a perfect human being. However, some of you who say "kids will be kids" are part of the problem. Excusing this extreme behavior with "kids will be kids" is a very sad commentary on the adults who are accepting poorer and poorer behavior as acceptable. This situation is not what most of us think of when we think of the difficulties of a seventh grader learning how to get along with others. This definitely goes over the edge.
Some of you have great memories of when Harlan Hill was at Brooks. Do you remember any similar things being in the p. e. dressing rooms then? When I was in school, most of us would not deface public property out of respect--and anyone who did was summarily disciplined! The p. e. coach would often stay in the dressing room with us, and she would lock the dressing room when we left (so nothing would get stolen). Now how hard it that????? It is bad enough that these young girls are so sexually graphic in their comments, but it is a sign of the problem when adults attempt to excuse the coach as if she cannot handle her class. Granted, she needs the backing of the administration to be effective, and it seems that is also part of the problem. A good administrator knows his school, so did these administators not know their school, or did they just leave the horrendous writing when they saw it there? After reading the Alabama Code, it seems these teachers and administrators have failed in their jobs miserably.
Ashley is not the only child suffering through this. The names were blocked out of the pictures shown on the air, but other girls' names were written there, as well. There are other parents who, if they knew, would be at the door of the principal asking how in the world he could let their daughter(s) face that every day in the dressing room. But this situation involves more than just the writing in the dressing room; that was the last straw for Ashley's parents.
I appreciate so much Channel 48 being willing to bring this to the public light. I think that is the only way this is going to be fixed--hopefully things will improve for all the girls at Brooks.
Re-reading this most interesting thread I have two questions:
1) Is this a Cheerleading thing, at least for the most part?
I read into the posts by those involved and most of the incidents revolve around cheerleading - and we all have heard how competitive this can be.
2) Are P.E. teachers just babysitting the kids that are not "lettermen" in a sport? I know children in elementary school are not learning Physical Education the way I did. It is "playtime" now.
Folks, cheerleading ain't worth it if it means this kind of treatment. School officials should threaten to shut down the program if parents don't straighten up - because this is where it starts.
P.E. means physical education. P.E. teachers - can we actually educate our kids in this instead of giving them time to write graffiti or even worse. When was the last time you heard someone complain that P.E. was too hard? It used to be.
1) Is this a Cheerleading thing, at least for the most part?
I read into the posts by those involved and most of the incidents revolve around cheerleading - and we all have heard how competitive this can be.
2) Are P.E. teachers just babysitting the kids that are not "lettermen" in a sport? I know children in elementary school are not learning Physical Education the way I did. It is "playtime" now.
Folks, cheerleading ain't worth it if it means this kind of treatment. School officials should threaten to shut down the program if parents don't straighten up - because this is where it starts.
P.E. means physical education. P.E. teachers - can we actually educate our kids in this instead of giving them time to write graffiti or even worse. When was the last time you heard someone complain that P.E. was too hard? It used to be.
Do you know this family??? I do. Why would such bullying be going on for so long? & Why is this 12 year old targeted? Why not transfer her to another school before the media has to be involved? Do you think it will resolve the issue at hand or perhaps boost her self-esteem? It is the parents' responsibility to get to the core of the daughter's involvement & the school administration's responsibility to get to the core of the other students' involvement. Going to the media is uncalled for in my opinion. It adds "fuel to the fire".
quote:Originally posted by ReJoySingRed:
Do you know this family??? I do. Why would such bullying be going on for so long? & Why is this 12 year old targeted? Why not transfer her to another school before the media has to be involved? Do you think it will resolve the issue at hand or perhaps boost her self-esteem? It is the parents' responsibility to get to the core of the daughter's involvement & the school administration's responsibility to get to the core of the other students' involvement. Going to the media is uncalled for in my opinion. It adds "fuel to the fire".
Thank you for your concern for Ashley's self-esteem. As for your questions...those are the $10k questions. If any of us knew the answers the solution or solutions would quickly and easily come into focus. So, let me get this straight...you've read all my posts with all of the specific details contained therein and are actually suggesting that, with such considered, we should, first, concern ourselves with the school officials' feelings on being exposed by moving our daughter to a school outside of our district?...to include an added transportation expense in addition to all the other trouble involved? To me that's like thanking the burglar who sues you for breaking his ankle while clearing out your living room. Please forgive me, but I just can't find the logic in your post. So, if any group of kids at brooks decides they don't like a certain student, that student should be forced to leave a public school partially funded by their parents' tax dollars (and somtimes their own if they have a decent PT job) or continue to be forced to deal with the harassment? What else could your comments be suggesting?
I guess there are a lot of people out there who feel you should, first, blame the victim and not "rock the boat" no matter how backward a school's policy or lack therof may be. Don't you understand that decisions like that will only make things worse for the next young "target" as you put it? No wrong should be challenged at Brooks? No wrong should be challenged at a school? The public who pays for these public schools and the salaries of those who are responsible for running them should not be made aware of such chaos?
If my standing up to such insanity "adds fuel to the fire"... we may just all keep a little warmer this winter... as I will not teach my daughter that it is acceptable to be treated this way and to have adult officials allow it to continue. If my daughter has one fault it's that she won't stand up for herself. She's perceived as weak and we all know that bully's tend to have more fun with the most timid amongst them. My daughter will be taught that you must stand for what's right and do it the RIGHT way.
Hopfully our efforts will spare someone else's daughter the same humiliation and hurt. Keep in mind that her name was not the only one used in those terrible written insults in the locker room...and I don't think it's possible that she's the only child being treated badly at BHS.
When I see a post like this one, I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone. I can't believe you would apply the same advice were it your child experiencing all of this...at least I hope you wouldn't.
Again, thank you for your concern, but I think "running" from a problem like this would not only be the worst for our daughter, but for our community as well!
quote:Originally posted by ReJoySingRed:
Do you know this family??? I do. Why would such bullying be going on for so long? & Why is this 12 year old targeted? Why not transfer her to another school before the media has to be involved? Do you think it will resolve the issue at hand or perhaps boost her self-esteem? It is the parents' responsibility to get to the core of the daughter's involvement & the school administration's responsibility to get to the core of the other students' involvement. Going to the media is uncalled for in my opinion. It adds "fuel to the fire".
Transfer her to another school???? You want to PUNISH the child for being bullied instead of getting to the heart of the problem.
No Transfer, make the School Administration DO THEIR JOBS!!! We pay them for that.