All of the Liberal "but Bush did this" crap isn't solving ANYTHING...NOW.
If I'm having my car repaired, I don't care what the LAST mechanic that worked on it did.
I care what the PRESENT mechanic is doing to get it running.
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The current man can do a better job if they know the complete history of the affected systems and components. Would go to the doctor and just tell them to make you better without a description of the progression of the symptoms???
Yes, glad to see you can at least recognize THAT fact Cage: that Bush is GONE! Thank God and Greyhound! (There was a great country song which featured that line, does anyone know what it is?) Cage you need to lay off the tainted tea your inebriation is showing,
If Bush was so bad and he'd beat Obama head on tomorrow how bad is Obama?
Well now that is an interesting(if confusing) statement Ronnie P. Are you making this assertion on a poll or some opinion from a right wing blog or from Fox News? Or is this just something you pulled out of your ass as is usually the case with teabagger posts? Once again, as with Cage, Ronnie lay off the tainted tea! 
Thank God and Greyhound...Roy Clark
Thanks Leo, He was the guy that was on Hee Haw back in the 70's (Yeah I looked it up)
Bush is gone but is there anyway we can get him back? I’ll take Bush’s economy any day over this nut we now have at the Whitehouse. Things were perking until the democrats took control in 06. The only change our current president has done is for the worse.
quote:Originally posted by rocky:
Well now that is an interesting(if confusing) statement Ronnie P. Are you making this assertion on a poll or some opinion from a right wing blog or from Fox News? Or is this just something you pulled out of your ass as is usually the case with teabagger posts? Once again, as with Cage, Ronnie lay off the tainted tea!
Well, any American with an average or above level of walking around sense can recognize that Barry Sortero is a complete and utter joke as POTUS.
I assume you are responding to the thread I put up yesterday about BUSH'S broken promises. I posted that in response to all of your threads about Obama's broken promises. I was just pointing out to you that even your hero Bush was not able, nor was he willing to keep his campaign promises.
What I don't understand is how so many of you can LOVE Bush now, even though he had the lowest approval rating of any president, and will in all likelihood go down in history as the worst president this country has ever had.
As far as Obama's "broken promises", he hasn't even been in office for two years yet, and he SAID it would take time to implement a lot of the changes he wanted to make. You seem to think that because most of these things didn't happen instantly, that he has failed. That sounds to me like you don't really care what he does or doesn't do, you just plain don't like the man, probably for reason that you will never admit to in polite company.
What I don't understand is how so many of you can LOVE Bush now, even though he had the lowest approval rating of any president, and will in all likelihood go down in history as the worst president this country has ever had.
As far as Obama's "broken promises", he hasn't even been in office for two years yet, and he SAID it would take time to implement a lot of the changes he wanted to make. You seem to think that because most of these things didn't happen instantly, that he has failed. That sounds to me like you don't really care what he does or doesn't do, you just plain don't like the man, probably for reason that you will never admit to in polite company.
quote:What I don't understand is how so many of you can LOVE Bush now, even though he had the lowest approval rating of any president, and will in all likelihood go down in history as the worst president this country has ever had.
Doubtful, ONO.
Bush will go down in history as the President who had the highest and lowest rating of any pres. A feat hard to do.
After 9/11, the country was one unit acting together. Congress agreed to anything they felt would help our security. There was only one American then, no parties. But when the wars were not over in 6 months(an impossibility to begin with), people forget the fear they had felt and went back to bashing the party in office.
Sad really. I still remember the gut wrenching fear I felt when I saw the planes hit the towers and people jumping to their deaths.
I will gladly give up a little freedom for that to never happen again.
We have been in armed conflict in Astan for 10 years, and spent over $120billion, and there have never been more than 200 al-Qaeda fighters in Astan. We are nation building, same as in Iraq, it is not a war.
Nice spin to it Juan, but look at a another view.
I nother words, until Obama follows through on his withdrawal plan, vacates the premises, then the enemy who has been waiting patiently, comes back in and takes over.
Which is why you DON"T give your battle plan to your enemy. Stupid.
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In June, CIA Director Leon Panetta estimated that, "at most," only 50 to 100 al-Qaeda operatives were present in Afghanistan. His assessment echoed those given by other senior U.S. officials. In October, national security adviser James L. Jones said the U.S. government's "maximum estimate" was that al-Qaeda had fewer than 100 members in Afghanistan, with no bases and "no ability to launch attacks on either us or our allies."
Since the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan in 2001, al-Qaeda's leadership and fighters have largely sought refuge across the border in Pakistan. There they have been targeted by U.S. drone attacks from the skies as they try to remain beyond the reach of U.S. forces.
The evasion marks a departure from al-Qaeda's approach in previous conflicts. Bin Laden and other jihadist leaders recruited thousands of Arabs and other foreign fighters to combat the Soviets in Afghanistan in the 1980s. Al-Qaeda also persuaded hundreds, if not thousands, of followers to travel to Iraq after the 2003 U.S. invasion, where they played a significant role in fueling the insurgency and sectarian violence.
This time, U.S. military officials and analysts say, al-Qaeda has changed its strategy, mostly limiting its role in the Taliban-led insurgency to assisting with training, intelligence and propaganda. Although the terrorist network still considers the "liberation" of Afghanistan its primary strategic objective, it is biding its time until the infidels lose patience and leave.
I nother words, until Obama follows through on his withdrawal plan, vacates the premises, then the enemy who has been waiting patiently, comes back in and takes over.
Which is why you DON"T give your battle plan to your enemy. Stupid.
quote:Originally posted by O No!:
I assume you are responding to the thread I put up yesterday about BUSH'S broken promises. I posted that in response to all of your threads about Obama's broken promises. I was just pointing out to you that even your hero Bush was not able, nor was he willing to keep his campaign promises.
What I don't understand is how so many of you can LOVE Bush now, even though he had the lowest approval rating of any president, and will in all likelihood go down in history as the worst president this country has ever had.
As far as Obama's "broken promises", he hasn't even been in office for two years yet, and he SAID it would take time to implement a lot of the changes he wanted to make. You seem to think that because most of these things didn't happen instantly, that he has failed. That sounds to me like you don't really care what he does or doesn't do, you just plain don't like the man, probably for reason that you will never admit to in polite company.
Actually, the best thing Obambam could do for the country is to not keep MOST of his campaign promises.His goal is the destruction of America as we know it.
quote:Originally posted by b50m:quote:What I don't understand is how so many of you can LOVE Bush now, even though he had the lowest approval rating of any president, and will in all likelihood go down in history as the worst president this country has ever had.
Doubtful, ONO.
Bush will go down in history as the President who had the highest and lowest rating of any pres. A feat hard to do.
After 9/11, the country was one unit acting together. Congress agreed to anything they felt would help our security. There was only one American then, no parties. But when the wars were not over in 6 months(an impossibility to begin with), people forget the fear they had felt and went back to bashing the party in office.
Sad really. I still remember the gut wrenching fear I felt when I saw the planes hit the towers and people jumping to their deaths.
I will gladly give up a little freedom for that to never happen again.
you are right and wrong B, the country was one after 9/11, we all wanted revenge for a horrendous act. BUT, instead of going full force after the people who attacked us he illegally INVADED a country with nothing to do with the attacks. He did this based on his own LIES. That is when he lost support of the intelligent half of america.
You are wrong tc,
We did go after Afghanistan first. The Al Quida ran into Iraq. We went there. Now most of them are hiding in Pakistan which has a useless government.
As for this:
He did this based on his own LIES. That is when he lost support of the intelligent half of america.
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Nice try, but wrong there too. I'm not going into the 9/11 conspiracy fairy land.
You have a nice trip.
We did go after Afghanistan first. The Al Quida ran into Iraq. We went there. Now most of them are hiding in Pakistan which has a useless government.
As for this:
He did this based on his own LIES. That is when he lost support of the intelligent half of america.
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Nice try, but wrong there too. I'm not going into the 9/11 conspiracy fairy land.
You have a nice trip.
We went to Iraq to oust Saddam, not al-Qaeda. Remember WMDs???
no B, we gave the northern alliance a little back up against the taliban in afghanistan. such a small minimal troop support that our own cia agent (from hamilton) was murdered by an american in the taliban. There were more americans fighting for the taliban than there were american troops there. Al-qaeda did NOT flee west across Iran into Iraq, they went east into pakistan where bush let them hide and thrive. There were NO al-qaeda in iraq prior to our invasion. saddam hussien was a sun worshipper and the muslim world held him in contempt. after the ILLEGAL INVASION of iraq iran fed al-qaeda into the country to create chaos.
SIDE NOTE: in obamas first six months in office he eliminated MORE of al-qaedas leadership than bush did in 7 1/2 years.
SIDE NOTE: in obamas first six months in office he eliminated MORE of al-qaedas leadership than bush did in 7 1/2 years.
tc,
You have your 'bush lied, they died, he did it' attitude, so I will bow out.
You have your 'bush lied, they died, he did it' attitude, so I will bow out.
I dont blame you.
Truth hurts.
Truth hurts.
If you could see truth, it would.
quote:Originally posted by b50m:
tc,
You have your 'bush lied, they died, he did it' attitude, so I will bow out.
B, i interned at the heritage foundation in the early 80s. if you dont know the heritage foundation, it is the leading conservative think tank in the country. as a junior member of one of dick cheneys pet projects i probably know more about what happened than anyone else you know, because i was on the team that wrote out the scenario of a foreign attack that could propel us into the middle east and take over the oil fields there. the entire bush war administration was planned 20 yrs before he was elected. he was just the first person ignorant enough to use it.
!. If you are a liberal, why did you go to work there?
2.Cheney planned the war 20 years before Bush took office?
3. So you are saying that Bush was willing to fake 9/11 so we could go into Iraq and get oil? Then why was the attackers not from Iraq? Why go into Afghanistan first? Where is all the oil we went for? Why didn't we take over the government?
4. I don't do conspiracy theories, especially wacky ones.
5. Believe what ever you want to.
2.Cheney planned the war 20 years before Bush took office?
3. So you are saying that Bush was willing to fake 9/11 so we could go into Iraq and get oil? Then why was the attackers not from Iraq? Why go into Afghanistan first? Where is all the oil we went for? Why didn't we take over the government?
4. I don't do conspiracy theories, especially wacky ones.
5. Believe what ever you want to.
i was raised a very conservative republican, a friend of mine, who is now a professor at U of M, was interning there and somehow convinced them to give me a internship. at that time cheney was just a congressman, but a big deal in the republican party. lots of republican players came and had us work out different scenarios on various policies. which ones would appeal to voters, which wouldnt.
i was one of the 12 who ended up on cheneys project. it wasnt a project on war per se, it was on how to take control of the worlds oil supply for economic advantage. we submitted 27 scenarios, all but three were tossed out. we were chastised for our scenario on paying rogue militants to attack our country and use that attack as a catalyst to go into the middle east and take over the oil supply. but, eventhough we were informed of how it would be a betrayal of our country to pay someone to attack it, it was one of the three that they kept. do i believe that bush/cheney paid the terrorists to attack us? no. but i believe that when we were attacked, cheney pulled out that old report and used it.
i was one of the 12 who ended up on cheneys project. it wasnt a project on war per se, it was on how to take control of the worlds oil supply for economic advantage. we submitted 27 scenarios, all but three were tossed out. we were chastised for our scenario on paying rogue militants to attack our country and use that attack as a catalyst to go into the middle east and take over the oil supply. but, eventhough we were informed of how it would be a betrayal of our country to pay someone to attack it, it was one of the three that they kept. do i believe that bush/cheney paid the terrorists to attack us? no. but i believe that when we were attacked, cheney pulled out that old report and used it.
quote:it was one of the three that they kept. do i believe that bush/cheney paid the terrorists to attack us? no. but i believe that when we were attacked, cheney pulled out that old report and used it.
Even if he did (which I don't think anyone is evil enough to kills US citizens for oil, of either party), we did not take over the oil supply.
So, if that was the plan, it failed.
quote:it was on how to take control of the worlds oil supply for economic advantage
You might enjoy this site tc.
http://www.oilcompanies.net/oil1.htm
The Project for a New American Century has to be considered as a indicator of the basic intentions of many leading Reps, many working in the WHite House on 9/11, including Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, Libby, Bolton, etc.
quote:Originally posted by JuanHunt:
The Project for a New American Century has to be considered as a indicator of the basic intentions of many leading Reps, many working in the WHite House on 9/11, including Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, Libby, Bolton, etc.
We would have never been attacked on 9/11, and therfore never in Iraq or A-Stan if that sorry piece of excretement Bubba Clinton would have been doing his job instead of securing "favors" from chubby interns.Conspiracy theories, ecspecially liberal ones which are always dumb- suck.
While Bush vacationed, 9/11 warnings went unheard.
The revelation came this morning, when CIA Director George Tenet was on the stand. Timothy Roemer, a former Democratic congressman, asked him when he first found out about the report from the FBI's Minnesota field office that Zacarias Moussaoui, an Islamic jihadist, had been taking lessons on how to fly a 747. Tenet replied that he was briefed about the case on Aug. 23 or 24, 2001.
Roemer then asked Tenet if he mentioned Moussaoui to President Bush at one of their frequent morning briefings. Tenet replied, "I was not in briefings at this time." Bush, he noted, "was on vacation." He added that he didn't see the president at all in August 2001. During the entire month, Bush was at his ranch in Texas. "You never talked with him?" Roemer asked. "No," Tenet replied. By the way, for much of August, Tenet too was, as he put it, "on leave."
And there you have it. National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice has made a big point of the fact that Tenet briefed the president nearly every day. Yet at the peak moment of threat, the two didn't talk at all. At a time when action was needed, and orders for action had to come from the top, the man at the top was resting undisturbed.
The revelation came this morning, when CIA Director George Tenet was on the stand. Timothy Roemer, a former Democratic congressman, asked him when he first found out about the report from the FBI's Minnesota field office that Zacarias Moussaoui, an Islamic jihadist, had been taking lessons on how to fly a 747. Tenet replied that he was briefed about the case on Aug. 23 or 24, 2001.
Roemer then asked Tenet if he mentioned Moussaoui to President Bush at one of their frequent morning briefings. Tenet replied, "I was not in briefings at this time." Bush, he noted, "was on vacation." He added that he didn't see the president at all in August 2001. During the entire month, Bush was at his ranch in Texas. "You never talked with him?" Roemer asked. "No," Tenet replied. By the way, for much of August, Tenet too was, as he put it, "on leave."
And there you have it. National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice has made a big point of the fact that Tenet briefed the president nearly every day. Yet at the peak moment of threat, the two didn't talk at all. At a time when action was needed, and orders for action had to come from the top, the man at the top was resting undisturbed.
b, we were just kids trying to show how smart we were when all we really knew was what we had been taught. of the twelve that were in my group, 8 are now liberal, 2 are dead, 1 is a retired repub. senator, and 1 never left the institute and is on the staff.
what i told you had nothing to do with conspiracy theories, it was just a small but memorable portion of my life.
what i told you had nothing to do with conspiracy theories, it was just a small but memorable portion of my life.
quote:Originally posted by tcf531:
b, we were just kids trying to show how smart we were when all we really knew was what we had been taught. of the twelve that were in my group, 8 are now liberal, 2 are dead, 1 is a retired repub. senator, and 1 never left the institute and is on the staff.
what i told you had nothing to do with conspiracy theories, it was just a small but memorable portion of my life.
Fair enough tc.
quote:Originally posted by JuanHunt:
and there you have it.
From 2004.
Clinton missed five chances to get Osama. He was playing with Monica. Bush had working vacations.
Neither Clinton nor Bush is president now.
quote:Originally posted by b50m:quote:Originally posted by JuanHunt:
and there you have it.
From 2004.
Clinton missed five chances to get Osama. He was playing with Monica. Bush had working vacations.
Neither Clinton nor Bush is president now.
Bush was riding his bike, at least when he wasnt falling off of it. Was the failure to catch bin Laden at Tora Bora intentional?
Whats your point?
And what has 2004 got to do with anything?
The end of your article:
You want to second guess an entire administration on a 'possible attack in the US' message that had no specifics and no way to prepare?
It was already shown that at the time, security channels did not share information between each other.
Nobody put two and two together because was they each had was one tenth.
Clinton had five separate chances to nail Osama and refused to give the order every time.
You want to bash Bush, knock yourself out. Clinton never had his eye on the ball, he was too busy with other things.
Hindsight is 100% accurate.
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Update, April 15, 2004: On Wednesday evening, after the hearings, a CIA spokesman called reporters to tell them Tenet had misspoken: It turns out he did brief Bush in August 2001, twice—on Aug. 17 and Aug. 31. Assuming the correction is true, it doesn't negate the point. The first briefing, which the spokesman described as uneventful, took place before Tenet learned about Moussaoui. The second occurred after the president returned to Washington.
You want to second guess an entire administration on a 'possible attack in the US' message that had no specifics and no way to prepare?
It was already shown that at the time, security channels did not share information between each other.
Nobody put two and two together because was they each had was one tenth.
Clinton had five separate chances to nail Osama and refused to give the order every time.
You want to bash Bush, knock yourself out. Clinton never had his eye on the ball, he was too busy with other things.
Hindsight is 100% accurate.