California -- A Democrat Wrecked Golden Goose

After WWII, California (which contributed much to the victory) was the new gold coast.  Over the decades, the Democrats sunk their claws and fangs into the state, draining the life's blood from the economy.

Total public indebtedness is about $443 billion.   http://uscommonsense.org/resea...-state-wall-of-debt/

With 12 percent of the nation's population, about 32 percent of those drawing welfare in the US dwell there and a third of the nation's homeless, as well. 

You've read about the drought that plagued the state.  Any student of archaeology would know that droughts have plagued the southwest for thousands of years.  A number of the indigenous cultures that reached levels of civilization were destroyed by drought.  Enviros stopped about a dozen reservoirs from being constructed.  The Enviros were Democrats, of course.

Now, more improvidence is illustrated.  Cali's resource management department neglected fire fuel management for decades. Resulting in the recent wild fires in the north and the present wild fires in the south.

Its hard to sympathize with a state that purposefully elected a party seemingly bent on destruction of the economy.  I used to compare Democrats with a plague of locust.  However, locust, when they've eaten everything leave.  The land renews itself and life returns.  Demmies are more like zombies.  They infect the populace, destroy civilization, leaving behind a shambling semblance of life. 

Hope the threatened Getty Museum is spared the fire.  Next year, I planned to visit it.  Kind of a farewell tour of a declining empire.  

 

TRUTH -- THE NEW HATE SPEECH!

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giftedamateur posted:

Its hard to sympathize with a state that purposefully elected a party seemingly bent on destruction of the economy.

For me it's impossible.

Agreed!  Just read that Huntsville is considered one of the three hippest cities in the US. Do they realize that Madison county expelled all the Democrats in office a few years ago.  I voted an almost straight Republican ticket, when I lived there. Voted for the Democrat coroner.  He kept costs down and performed the functions well.  Besides, Democrats like to take care of their present and future voters. 

If the tax changes get passed as they now exist, Blue states might be carbuncles that get lanced before they grow larger. If corporations, small businesses, and the high salaries leave faster; there will consequences for state employees and  nonproductive citizens as well as the over priced real estate markets in those states. I wouldn't doubt that a short term recession happens, but if the problems aren't addressed now, something worse than the recession of 2008 is going to come to pass.

SirWasabi posted:

We now have the same miserable failure of Republican policies that caused the great depression of 1929 and the recession of 08. It would take an idiot to not know what comes next.

It takes a special kind of political idiot to continue to "whistle past the graveyard" while hoping that the calamity happens when the other political party has the White House. Both the Marx and Mussolini (Socialist and corporatist) wings of the Democratic party have closed the steam valves on the boiler and the pressure is rising. If there is some damage now from venting steam, its nothing compared to the explosion later.

Stanky posted:
SirWasabi posted:

We now have the same miserable failure of Republican policies that caused the great depression of 1929 and the recession of 08. It would take an idiot to not know what comes next.

It takes a special kind of political idiot to continue to "whistle past the graveyard" while hoping that the calamity happens when the other political party has the White House. Both the Marx and Mussolini (Socialist and corporatist) wings of the Democratic party have closed the steam valves on the boiler and the pressure is rising. If there is some damage now from venting steam, its nothing compared to the explosion later.

It takes an even more special kind of idiot to equate the two.  The interventionist policies of the Republican party's first progressive president, Hoover, converted a recession into the Great Depression.  Actions of the subsequent progressive Democrat president ensured the Depression lasted longer.  The reasons for the Recession are shared by government and the financial institutions.  Obama borrowed $9 trillion attempting to jump start the economy -- resulting in the worst recovery in the last 100 years -- an average GDP increase of 1.8 percent and a great debt.

SirWasabi posted:

You can have your own opinions, but you can't have your own facts.

And peyote induced facts from the left are worthless. Both the Great Depression and the 2008 crash were induced by something all statists like Dems desire, the control of the economy. Government action did bring the Depression to a close, but it was the Japanese government of Prime Minister Tojo.

Stanky posted:
SirWasabi posted:

Again, the failed Republican policies now known as 'trickle down theory' has been proven to be a farce, then and now, yet here we go again.

And Democrat policies are roads that lead to Zimbabwe and Venezuela.

I see nothing but deflection from my comments upon the sorry state of the state of California.  Democrats have their fangs and claws in the place and will not let go of the thing until its a well gnawed pile of bones.  

direstraits posted:
Stanky posted:
SirWasabi posted:

Again, the failed Republican policies now known as 'trickle down theory' has been proven to be a farce, then and now, yet here we go again.

And Democrat policies are roads that lead to Zimbabwe and Venezuela.

I see nothing but deflection from my comments upon the sorry state of the state of California.  Democrats have their fangs and claws in the place and will not let go of the thing until its a well gnawed pile of bones.  

I suppose that green dyed horseradish with delusions of nobility believes that it is the role of state goobermints to fleece its productive citizens with taxes and then rob their children with state bonds to pay for bribing people to vote for Democrats. I suspect that if those states have to compete with lower tax states for tax money, there might be a recession caused by laying off unneeded employees, fixing their overgenerous retirement systems, and limiting entitlements to only the worthy needy. But then again, if a recession comes to pass, it probably would be regional with low tax states like Texas or Tennessee having improving economies.

SirWasabi posted:

Delusional, not knowing 4 of the last 6 governors of California were Republicans. Which, btw, takes us back to before 1900. The 'green dyed horseradish' is the BS coming outta your ***.

The California State Legislature is the state legislature of California. It is a bicameral body consisting of the lower house, the California State Assembly, with 80 members, and the upper house, the California State Senate, with 40 members.

Both chambers of the California legislature have been dominated by the Democratic Party since 1959 except in 1969 to 1971 when the Republican Party held both chambers and from 1994 to 1996, when Republicans briefly held a majority in the Assembly. Each member represented about 423,396 residents, as of the 2000 Census.[1]

https://ballotpedia.org/California_State_Legislature

I realize that statists believe that nothing comes about in goobermint except from the actions of "Fearless Leader", but for everyone else who understands how government is supposed to work in the US; it's the legislature that is supposed to create the law. I believe that for anything political to happen in California when neither party had complete control that some bargaining had to take place with likely little in the way of reforms coming from divided government. But when there was complete party control of the state, it was Dems who greatly expanded the size of goobermint. I also might note that many California Republicans are RINO's without the horn.

 

I'm not sure that one could say that the governor was of any single party up to 1959 when they filed to run in both primaries:

In American politics, cross-filing (similar to the concept of electoral fusion) occurs when a candidate runs in the primary election of not only his own party, but also that of one or more other parties,[1] generally in the hope of reducing or eliminating his competition at the general election.

Cross-filing in California elections, 1913-1959[edit]

In 1909, California introduced the direct primary election in its elections. The state's requirement that candidates in primary elections certify that they had supported a particular party in the previous general election was struck down by the California Supreme Court in 1909, in a case involving the Socialist Party of America. While the California State Legislature attempted to institute a looser test in 1911, by 1913, there was no longer any restriction on candidates filing in multiple primaries.[1] The cross-filing provision was added to a previously debated primary bill by members of the administration of Governor Hiram Johnson, who had previously run (on separate occasions) as a Republican and with the Progressive Party.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-filing

Moreover, the looting of the taxpayer really didn't take off until Gov. Pat Brown (D) started the spending spree. Ronald Reagan as governor was forced to increase taxes to pay for Pat Brown's expansion of government spending and it was the further spending increases of Jerry Brown that caused the bled-out California taxpayer to create Proposition 13. The voters sort of held the line during the 80's and 90's with Republicans until Gray Davis who was so bad he was recalled and replaced with hornless RINO Schwarzenegger. Schwarzenegger did veto 1970 bills, so at least he tried to contain the airheads in the legislature. Since Schwarzenegger, Jerry Brown has returned to the governorship and the California taxpayer has assumed the position of leech-food.

http://projects.scpr.org/charts/statehouse-vetoes/

California governors and their use of the veto since 1967

Chris Keller | Published Sept. 9, 2013

Gov. Jerry Brown vetoed about 12 percent of the bills passed by the state legislature in 2012, the second lowest veto percentage since 1996 when then-Governor Pete Wilson vetoed just under 9 percent of the bills that came across his desk, according to research by the Senate Committee on Governance & Finance.

On the whole over his 10-plus years in office -- from 1975 to 1982 and from 2011 to 2012 -- Brown has signed 12,744 bills, which is the most since 1967. He also has the fewest number of vetoes over that time period: 773.

Brown's use of the veto is much lower than that of his predecessor Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, who on average vetoed about 26 percent of the bills presented to him by state legislators between 2004 and 2010. It's also higher than Brown's previous stint as governor, when he vetoed about 4.6 percent of the bills passed by the legislature.

Here are some additional tidbits based on the committee's research:

  • Brown's 2012 percentage is less than the average percentage since 1967 (13 percent).
  • In 1982, Brown vetoed just 30 bills of the 1,674 he considered, setting the record for the lowest number of vetoes.
  • The five years with the fewest chaptered bills have all been since 2007.
  • Schwarzenegger vetoed over three times as many bills in his seven years (1,970) as Brown did in his first eight years (528), and twice as many as Reagan did in eight years (843).
Stanky posted:
SirWasabi posted:

Delusional, not knowing 4 of the last 6 governors of California were Republicans. Which, btw, takes us back to before 1900. The 'green dyed horseradish' is the BS coming outta your ***.

The California State Legislature is the state legislature of California. It is a bicameral body consisting of the lower house, the California State Assembly, with 80 members, and the upper house, the California State Senate, with 40 members.

Both chambers of the California legislature have been dominated by the Democratic Party since 1959 except in 1969 to 1971 when the Republican Party held both chambers and from 1994 to 1996, when Republicans briefly held a majority in the Assembly. Each member represented about 423,396 residents, as of the 2000 Census.[1]

https://ballotpedia.org/California_State_Legislature

I realize that statists believe that nothing comes about in goobermint except from the actions of "Fearless Leader", but for everyone else who understands how government is supposed to work in the US; it's the legislature that is supposed to create the law. I believe that for anything political to happen in California when neither party had complete control that some bargaining had to take place with likely little in the way of reforms coming from divided government. But when there was complete party control of the state, it was Dems who greatly expanded the size of goobermint. I also might note that many California Republicans are RINO's without the horn.

 

Unfortunately, Arnold surrendered to his Demmie in-laws after about a year in office.  The Terminator got terminated. 

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