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Originally posted by INVICTUS:
All I was saying was how the christian church got the name Catholic. Two monks were walking to another town when one of them realized there were many places they had been and converted. They were talking about it, one said, We are becoming true universal. He used the greek word catholic. They liked the word and it stuck when other people started using it. That was around the start of the 5th century. Thats (sic) all I was saying.
I obviously know more about this than you do. I understand what I meant. About 1,000 yrs. ater other churches started. If you didn't have such a hate and foul mouth for the Catholic church you could think more reasonable about things.
You know hardly anything about it. you just hate it because you were told to. You shoot your mouth off in anger.
Don't discuss anything with me again.
Hi Vic,
First, we will deal with your history lesson. Below are two sources showing the use of the the word "catholic" to mean the "universal church" dating back almost into the first century. So, I am not sure who your two monks were -- or where you found your information that the word "universal" was not used for another thousand years. If you have sources to refute what I have shown below, please feel free to share them.
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HISTORY OF ECCLESIASTICAL USE OF "CATHOLIC" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic The word catholic is derived (via Late Latin
catholicus and French
catholique) from the Greek adjective
katholikos, meaning "universal".
A letter written by Ignatius of Antioch to Christians in Smyrna around 106 AD is the earliest surviving witness to the use of the term Catholic Church (Letter to the Smyrnaeans).
By Catholic Church Ignatius designated the universal church. Ignatius considered that certain heretics of his time, who disavowed that Jesus was a material being who actually suffered and died, saying instead that
"he only seemed to suffer" (Smyrnaeans), were not really Christians. The term is also used in the Martyrdom of Polycarp in 155 AD and in the Muratorian fragment, about 177 AD.
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CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03449a.htm The word Catholic (
katholikos from
katholou — throughout the whole, i.e., universal) occurs in the Greek classics, e.g., in Aristotle and Polybius, and was freely used by the earlier Christian writers in what we may call its primitive and non-ecclesiastical sense.
The combination
"the Catholic Church" (
he katholike ekklesia) is found for the first time in the letter of St. Ignatius to the Smyrnaeans,
written about the year 110.
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Then, you tell me,
"You know hardly anything about it. you just hate it because you were told to. You shoot your mouth off in anger." Vic, since you appear to be new to the Religion Forum, I will cut you some slack. Possibly you have heard a couple of other contentious ladies saying this. But, as I told them, I will tell you:
If you are going to make this accusation; then, please support it with facts. SHOW ME where I have written ANYTHING in anger. I have refuted false doctrine -- and I have shown Biblical reasons for refuting them. That is not anger. That is debate, dialogue.
You say,
"You just hate it because you were told to." No, no one has ever told me to hate Roman Catholics or any other church denomination -- and I do not hate anyone. Yet, I do see, from 23 years of studying the Bible, the fallacy of many of the Roman Catholic doctrines. I do not hate the atheist and secularist; but, I will refute their false teachings also. False teachings and false doctrines are both equally bad -- regardless of whether they come from a church or from world religions such as atheism and secularism.
As a matter of fact, you will notice that, even though you have made a number of false accusations against me personally -- I do not hold any anger toward you nor am I responding in anger. I am only asking you, in a civil way, to show me proof of any hatred and anger in my posts.
And, you tell me,
"You know hardly anything about it." That could be true. I will admit that many folks know more about Roman Catholicism than me. However, I did attend and worship in the Roman Catholic church for about 20 years. So, that means I was probably in the Roman Catholic church -- before your mom bought you your first Prom Dress.
Finally, you tell me,
"Don't discuss anything with me again." On second thought, maybe you were not old enough for a Prom Dress at that time.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill