Can We Talk?

LOL.

Still winnin' hearts an' minds, eh BeeG?

 

You GO Boyyyyy.

So, does that make your rotten comments about me bad too?

Bill, I would love to see less anger and hostility in the forums. For you to ask this of anyone here I think you need to understand your part in the anger Semi and several others here have towards you. I used to tell my children that if everyone is responding negatively with them about something then they have to stop and examine themselves because it can't possibly be that everyone else is wrong and they are right. They have to own their own part in the problem. I think if you were to humble yourself and say that you acknowledge that you have not always treated those here with respect and kindness, then you might actually accomplish what you say you want. Until you own up to your part in these problems things will never change.

 

Semi doesn't have anger towards everyone else here, but you have to admit that you have a lot of people that have issues with you. What does that tell you? This is your chance Bill, you can turn it around and help make this forum a less hostile place to discuss topics. All you have to do is admit you have some of the blame and then prove you are willing to move forward in a better more positive way.

 

Are you willing to do that?

Won't happen until you let go your judgment on anything you don't agree with. Until you humble yourself and realize that you are no more equipped to discuss religion than me, Nathan, gbrk, crusty, anyone else on here. You do not have all the answers, and it is not your "job" to tell me (and others) that my faith is wrong. Until you can do these things I do not see an improvement in your fanbase. Humble yourself and recognize that you are not more righteous than anyone here- As Jank said, in solving any problem, always look for the common denominator.

Hi all,

 

VP,  I assume you are suggesting that, instead of refuting unBiblical doctrines and teachings, I should just look the other way and pretend they are Biblical.  Sorry, I cannot do that.  It is not what Bill Gray says; it is what the Bible says.   And, to go against the Bible -- just to make you or others who post unBiblical doctrines happy -- would be very wrong.

 

Jank, you tell me, "Semi doesn't have anger towards everyone else here, but you have to admit that you have a lot of people that have issues with you.  What does that tell you?"

 

Maybe Chick does not get as mad at others as she does me; but, maybe there is a reason.   She accuses me of condemning her to hell; which I have never done.  I have told her, and everyone, what the Bible teaches, that each person has the gift of "free will" from God -- and every person, individually, must use that free will to either choose to follow Christ, or to choose to deny Christ. 

 

If a person chooses to follow Christ, that person has eternal life in the presence of God.  If that person chooses to deny Christ; that person has made a personal choice to not spend eternity in the presence of God.  And, the Bible clearly tells us that the only other choice besides His presence, is out of His presence, which is hell. 

 

So, I have never condemned Chick or anyone to hell -- because I do not have that power.   God will not condemn a person to hell.  The ONLY person who can condemn a person to hell -- is that person himself or herself, by making the wrong choice.

 

But, because I tell this to Chick, and to everyone else -- Chick has built up a personal hatred toward me.  And, I believe she has convinced herself that I have personally condemned her to hell.  I cannot. 

 

What I can do, and what I strive to do -- is to make everyone aware that both heaven and hell are real -- and that everyone must choose which is to be his/her eternal destination.  If that knowledge makes anyone feel guilty, or stressed -- then maybe that person really needs to reevaluate his/her own personal relationship with God.

 

Once again, I remind her and everyone -- I cannot make that choice for you.  So, wherever one ends up eternally -- is determined ONLY by the choice that person makes in this life.

 

Al Williams, you ask me, "So, does that make your rotten comments about me bad too?"

 

I have never made a "rotten comment' about you personally.  However, I have said, over and over again, that your New Age Urantia Book religion is a cult.  And, regardless of which persona you bring to the forum; your New Age Urantia Book religion, your Unitarian Universalist "Universalism" religion, or your L. Ray Smith (Herbert W. Armstrong) religion -- they are all cult religions.

 

That is not speaking against you personally -- only against your cult religions.  I will say the same to you that I say to VP -- I will always hold the plumb line of the Christian Bible beside your teachings.  And, when I do -- your teachings WILL come through as being false, cult, and unBiblical.

 

Are there times when I agree to disagree with others on the Forum?  Yes, one of our Forums Friends is a staunch legalist; others lean heavily toward liberal theologies which either skews Scripture or downplays the role of the Bible in our Christian faith.  With those I will also often disagree.

 

Yet, with all these people, I see no reason why we cannot just discuss the issues -- leave out the name calling and denigration -- and have civil discussions.  Just because we disagree with one another is no reason for anyone to get nasty, angry, and start name calling.  If a person is Biblically literate, he/she should have the knowledge to carry an intelligent discussion without nastiness.

 

This being the Religion Forum, our discussions should be based around the teachings of the Bible.  The defense of my faith will always be based upon the Bible.  If someone's religion is based on some book or books other than the Bible -- we can have civil discussions regarding the differences.  However, I will always argue on the side of Biblical truths.

 

That is the kind of relationship I would love to see all of us cultivate here on the Religion Forum.  I will not agree with, or look the other way, when doctrines or teachings are not Biblical.  I cannot, for that would be turning away from the God I love, just to please man.

 

Yet, I can discuss the issues without getting angry and without name calling.  Can YOU?  I pray so.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

Why will we not have good discussions? Because you just called the Roman Catholic Church a "cult". Because you "refute" my beliefs as cultish. Because you do not respect viewpoints that differ than your own. And because you are convinced that you are the enlightened one with your knowledge of the bible. You need to realize that not everyone is a fundamentalist, and that those who do not subscribe to your doctrines are not always wrong. You want to be civil if everyone agrees with you.

We have all heard the old adage that one definition of insanity is to do the samething over and over again expecting a different result. Semi has shown how sane she is by putting Bill on ignore. Every one of us here has tried to get Bill to admit that his "methods" are counterproductive, and because of his very real personality disorder, he accuses each of us of being against GOD, just because we disagree with him. It will never change, and all we are doing is feeding his need for constant attention.

 

I have joined Semi in ignoring Bill. I will no longer try to make him see what his ego refuses to see. Anyone who reads a few of his posts here will immediately see that he is here to feed his ego, and that he is only using the Religion forum for his own purposes. He has no desire to bring people to God. His desire is to try to make HIMSELF look good. Of course we all know how miserably he is failing in this attempt, but there is no need to keep knocking our heads against the brick wall of Bill's personality disorder.

 

For the good of us all, for the good of the forum, and even for the good of Bill himself, I think we should all just ignore him. When he gets no more responses from us, maybe he will be so bereft he will finally seek the help he needs.

Bill, you refusal to admit your on faults tells me that you have no real intentions of seeing the religion forum be a better place to discuss topics. From now on when I see you try and lay it at the feet of everyone else here I will not respond to you. You don't have a real desire to see things better here, as VP said you only want everyone to agree with you tell you that you are right. That will never happen because every one here is an individual and come to this forum with their own ideas and beliefs. I don't agree with most people here, but I don't have to talk down to them to get my point across either. I say what I believe and most always, even if it gets heated, we can eventually agree to disagree and remain civil and respectful to each other. When you can learn to play nice with others too, you might see the change you "say" you want.

Bill's a Bible thumper.  When I see them on the corner or anywhere else, I give them wide berth.  I'm thinking it best we just cross the street when he comes our way.

 

Bless his tiny little heart.

Hi VP,

 

You seem to have read into what I wrote -- what you wanted it to say -- not what I wrote:

 

This is what I wrote TO Al Williams:

 

That is not speaking against you personally -- only against your cult religions.  I will say the same to you that I say to VP -- I will always hold the plumb line of the Christian Bible beside your teachings.  And, when I do -- your teachings WILL come through as being false, cult, and unBiblical.

 

What I have written is that any teachings I feel are unBiblical, Roman Catholic or Al's cult religion, I will hold alongside the Bible for verification.  When I do, Al's religions will be shown to be cult.  Your Roman Catholicism will be shown to be full of erroneous doctrines and traditions.

 

No, I do not consider the Roman Catholic church a cult.  But, I do consider many of its doctrines, traditions, and other teachings to be unBiblical.

 

Yet, even on these things we can have civil discussions and air them out on the public forum so that all folks will be able to decide for themselves which they believe to be Biblical and which they believe to be unBiblical.  And, we can do this and still be Friends.

 

You declare, "You want to be civil if everyone agrees with you."

 

If everyone agreed with me, wouldn't that be boring?  And no one would ever grow and mature in their knowledge of God's Word.   One of the reasons I have always held that folks learn more in Bible studies and Sunday School classes versus just listening to the sermons -- is that, in the two former venues, folks can ask questions and make comments.

 

In Bible study and Sunday School class, when we ask questions or make comments -- others are encouraged to join in.  And, we discuss that verse, passage, or Biblical issue more fully -- often hearing different side and different thinking.  This accomplishes two good things:  first, it helps us all better understand what is written in the Bible -- and, second, it encourages folks to personally dig into Scripture to test what is being taught, as Paul admonishes us to do in Acts 17:11.

 

No, my Friend, even in my church, and even in my family -- folks often do not agree with me.  What happens?  Well, as we discuss the issue and get more facts -- either they will convince me that what they believe is right -- or I will convince them that what I think is right -- or we will just agree to disagree and move on; but, without animosity.   We do not allow it to divide us; which is the proper way to handle any disagreement.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

bill your greatest sin is your constant attack on the POTUS. you say he and rev Wright are not Christians when you know full well both of them are.

Hi Jank,

 

You tell me, "Bill, you refusal to admit your on faults tells me that you have no real intentions of seeing the religion forum be a better place to discuss topics.  From now on when I see you try and lay it at the feet of everyone else here I will not respond to you."

 

Correct me if I am wrong; but, what I see you saying here is that I should just always agree with what everyone writes -- regardless of the Biblical truth.

 

My Friend, if what they write agrees with the Bible; I will agree with them.  If what they write disagrees with the Bible -- I will have to stand with the Bible and not with the writer.

 

However, we can and should discuss the difference of opinion regarding what the Bible says about that issue.  In doing that, folks can decide for themselves which writing is Biblically correct and which is not Biblically correct.   We should always stand with the Bible; for it is the Written Word of God and represents all that He feels we need to know to gain eternal salvation and to walk the daily Christian walk.

 

I cannot just blindly accept what others write, if it is contradicted in the Bible.  If by standing with God's Word, some will vilify me; so be it.   But, I cannot choose their friendship over that of God.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

It seems we keep having this discussion here and on Facebook.  Oh, well, it is good to have many venues on which we can share the truth.

 

You hold Rev. Wright and Obama to be Christian?  First, I cannot say for sure, only that person and God knows for sure.   However, if a man stands on national public television and curses America by taking God's name in vain, in his sermon -- can that man be considered a Christian?  Your Rev. Wright, on national television, in his sermon, declared, "G-- D--- America!"   Is that a Christian?

 

God tells us to bless, honor, and protect the children, i.e., "Bring the little children to Me."   In the Bible, God tells us that the homosexual lifestyle is an abomination, not natural, is against good teaching, and that those who practice that lifestyle will not see the kingdom of heaven.

 

Yet, Obama says, "Abort, i.e., KILL the babies!" and "The homosexual lifestyle is good and should be accepted as a normal alternate lifestyle."   Of course, these are paraphrases of his statements, but, accurate.

 

God tells us in the Bible that we can know a Christian believer by the fruit of his/her salvation.  Can you really say that this shows Rev. Wright or Obama to be Christian?

 

Quail, my Friend, you support Rev. Wright because he supports Obama.  And, you support Obama because he caters to and supports your unions, which have driven America virtually out of the world economic market.  In other words, you are saying, "Obama supports unions which puts more money into my pocket, even though the unions are taking it out of the pockets of other Americans -- so, I like him!"  

 

Find yourself a good burglar and send him to our homes to rob us and he can do the same for you.  In doing that, at least it would be an above board, visible, felony action.

 

One last question.  How much would you "love" Obama -- if he decided, by executive order, to disband all unions?  Think about that.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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 Billie you said

 

This is what I wrote TO Al Williams:

 

That is not speaking against you personally -- only against your cult religions.  I will say the same to you that I say to VP -- I will always hold the plumb line of the Christian Bible beside your teachings.  And, when I do -- your teachings WILL come through as being false, cult, and unBiblical.

 

Here's the point I would make about your statement, You billie will decide

what you want the Bible to say and your opinion is everyone else is wrong.

I find you flat wrong half of the time. Mainly because, not unlike some others,

it just doesn't seem right. Well anyone can say that, but if it's wrong it is

just wrong. You either can't interpret what you see or you need to lie about it.

 

You have zero credibility and that's your fault.

 

 

 

Hi Vic,

 

If you find my interpretation of the Bible wrong; then, please, give us YOUR interpretation of what God intended that verse or passage to say.   I would love to discuss YOUR interpretations of Scripture.

 

Of course, when all you do is plagiarize what has been interpreted and written by the Vatican -- we both have to acknowledge that is NOT your interpretation; but, what someone in the Vatican has fed into your brain.

 

But, hey, my Friend -- let's you and me talk about the Bible.  I would love that.

 

However, can we leave off the name calling and defaming comments?   Let's keep it simple and civil.  Surely, you being close to my age -- by now, you have learned to have civil discussions, right?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Bill you won’t know if rev Wright used Gods name in vain until it’s too late. I hope he did but you are a big part of the rev getting his curse. God may very well **** America.

Perfect, bill. I disagree with you. We shall agree to disagree. So move on. Nothing to talk about.

One last question.  How much would you "love" Obama -- if he decided, by executive order, to disband all unions?  Think about that.

Bill if he did that I would try to get him impeached. I don't vote for the man but ideals of a party that most suits me. and naw i don't like abortion. bush didn't stop it so why do you think Obama can?

"Of course, when all you do is plagiarize what has been interpreted and written by the Vatican -- we both have to acknowledge that is NOT your interpretation; but, what someone in the Vatican has fed into your brain."[ quote of Bill sinning against Vplee]

 

Well, Vic,

 

I suppose I have to take that response, your wee bit of evasion, as you telling me that you have no interpretation of the Bible other than what the Vatican has force-fed you -- and, on your own, you have no idea what God, in Scripture, is really telling us.  Okay, not a problem for me.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

Actually, that was written to Vic.  I have never suggested that VP is guilty of plagiarism. 

 

But, let me ask you a question.   Are all Liberal Union members trouble-makers?  Or, is it only you?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

It was said earlier:  "No, I do not consider the Roman Catholic church a cult.  But, I do consider many of its doctrines, traditions, and other teachings to be unBiblical."

 

Name one, and I'll show you the Biblical basis for it.  You may disagree with the Church's interpretation of Scripture, but the Church has 2000 years of guidance from the Holy Spirit on interpreting Scripture. 

 

Praised be Jesus forever!!!

It was said earlier:  "No, I do not consider the Roman Catholic church a cult.  But, I do consider many of its doctrines, traditions, and other teachings to be unBiblical."

 

Name one, and I'll show you the Biblical basis for it.  You may disagree with the Church's interpretation of Scripture, but the Church has 2000 years of guidance from the Holy Spirit on interpreting Scripture. 

 

Praised be Jesus forever!!!

Hi Nathan,

 

Well, you could start with the whole bag of Mariology:  Her Immaculate Birth, her Perpetual Virginity even though she had at least a half dozen children, her Mother of God title, her Assumption, i.e., her Rapture into heaven, etc.

 

Then, we might jump to Purgatory.  But, wait, we can't -- for it does not exist.

 

Then, there is the Papal Perfection which you call Infallibility.  And, dumb me, all along I have always thought that Jesus Christ was the Perfect Lamb of God sent to take away the sins of man.

 

There is the Eucharist which is claimed to live in John 6 -- even though Christ did not institute the Lord's Supper until months later, in John 13.

 

These are a few of the false doctrines of the Roman Catholic church.   And, it would be nice if we can just stick to the Bible, all 66 books -- for that is infallible.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Yes Bill. Even God himself.is a union troublemaker.

After seeing the title of Bill’s topic, I wanted to read the response of others to whatever Billy said. I have Billy blocked but I can always tell what his post is going to be about by his title. Then I see the response of others & I know what it’s about.

 

Billy is probably whining about me not showing him any respect, not taking his word as law, not bowing down to him because he KNOWS what the Bible means & no one else does. Probably saying that I hate him, but I really don’t. Probably saying this hate is eating me alive, blah, blah, blah…..I know this because he has said it many times. I would be surprised if he didn’t repeat it. I do believe he is of the Devil because no one can be as evil as Bill & be a Christian. It’s just not done.

 

A few months ago, Bill made the comment that O No wasn’t saved because she was my friend. He will say he didn’t but I’ve already proven that he did. Then he accuses Vplee of not being a Christian, & in a cult. (he will say he hasn’t but he has).

 

These two have been steadfast & in my corner for the past year. They have stood for me when I couldn’t stand for myself. And this man, who speaks as though he should have my respect, dares to mock & judge these two women who are more Christian than he will ever think of being?

 

He has accused Vplee & O No of worshiping the Pope instead of God when both have told him many times that he’s wrong. He has said, after calling it a cult, that he doesn’t consider the Roman Catholic church to be a cult. 

But he will then say that its doctrines, traditions, & other teachings are not of the Bible. Well, if all that ain’t part of the Bible, what is he saying that makes the Catholic church? Jim Jones doctrines & traditions definitely wasn’t of the Bible & he was the leader of a cult.

Thank goodness, old Billy is living a lie & has no control over anyone going to Heaven.

 

Bill wants us to believe that God speaks directly to him. He wants us to believe that God tells him who’s saved, who isn’t, who’s in a cult, who isn’t, blah, blah, blah…..anyway, you get my point.

 

Just very recently, Bill was as usual swearing by his OSAS doctrine. Jank (sarcastically, but right on) made the comment that according to Bill's interpretations she is saved forever & has nothing to worry about. (because at one time she believed in God & the Bible, went the whole 10 yards just as I did) If we believed Bill’s OSAS doctrine, Jank & I are going to heaven just as fast as the faithful, trusting, believing, living for God, Christian. She told Billy there was no need in him worrying about her soul, since it was saved a long time ago and she’s all set.

(Billy doesn’t really worry about anyone going to heaven, it’s all about gathering souls for Satan) But as usual, old Billy wouldn’t apply what she said to his OSAS. (Jank ain’t saved cause Billy doubts it)

 

I was glad to read that O No has Billy blocked. She's right, & I have said it too, that all we’re doing is feeding his need for constant attention. We’re giving him his platform to preach his hate. There's a couple more here that has him blocked too.

 

There is Christians on this forum that daily, (notice I said daily) endure the persecutions, the malice & slander of old Billy, all in the name of, what he wants us to believe is God, but what I know to be for Satan.

 

Billy doesn’t like me because I don’t mind speaking of his foolishness & mockery. I can be just as stubborn & strong in my opinion as he can his. I’ve met hypocrites that acted the part well, but never met one that lies & will keep lying when his lies have been brought to the forefront & proven.

 

Someone like Billy would be thrown out of church if what he’s doing was brought before Deacons & presented to the church. IF that church were run the way it should be according to the Bible. My guess would be that not many of them are.

 

Sorry this is so long.

 

 

Biblical basis for Catholic doctrines:

1.  Immaculate Birth:  Luke 1:28 "Hail, full of grace!"  FULL of grace means no room for sin.  Never was.

2.  Perpetual Virginity:  John 19:26-27.  Jesus entrusted Mary to John because she had no one to take care of her, no children.  And the Aramaic language had no word for cousin.  

3.  Mother of God:  Luke 1:43:  elizabeth:  "Who am I that the mother of my LORD should come to me.  Jesus is God.  Mary gave birth to Jesus.  

4.  Assumption:  Rev 12:1  Mary appears in heaven.

5.  Purgatory:  Rev 21:27:  Nothin unclean shall enter.  1 Peter 3:19:  Jesus went and preached to the spirirs in prison.  Not heaven, because the gates ogf heaven had not been opened yet.  Not hell, because those in hell are eternally ****ed.  Purgatory! 

6.  Infallibility.  As noted many times, this does not mean one is perfect. Matt16:19, is the Scriptural basis.  And ff no one is infallible, how do you know what books belong in the Bible?  Pope Innocent ! declared infallibly what consitutes the New Testament.

7.  The Eucharist:  As you noted, John 6 is part of the source, along with the Last Supper, the first Mass!!

As noted, all have their basis in Scripture, in the New Testament!!!

 

Praised be Jesus forever!!!

Nathan, I am thankful for your energy and willingness to explain all these things . But you need to know(for your own sanity) that these issues have been circulating for years on this forum- literally. The same things bill has been slamming our church for years. All scripture has been pointed out to him, and when he cannot refute something, he dodges and "hides" for a few days. I'm telling you this because I was exactly where you were, a few years ago. Beating my head against the wall thinking "what is wrong with this man". But as many have pointed out, he is a sick man- emotionally, psychologically and spiritually. I know you can refute everything he says against us. But please know that your efforts, whole correct and just, are wasted on this man at this time. I suggest that we simply pray for him. He knows not what he does... Blessed be God forever.

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Ok, you ask for me to correct you if you were wrong....you are wrong. I never said that you could not oppose something someone else said. What I said was that you will not admit that the hostility in this religion forum is not to be laid at the feet of everyone else with no blame on yourself.

 

You can disagree without belittling others. You can disagree without being flippant, sarcastic, and childish. These are some of the things that others here have a problem with. You come across as someone who thinks they are the authority on the bible and everyone else is just too stupid to understand it the way you do. If you were sincere in your request for more civility and less hostile discussions, you would have owned your part in it.

 

However, instead you want to push it off on everyone else. Semi is not the only person that has issues with you on this forum. Matter of fact there are very very few that have not had trouble discussing religious topics with you.

 

Semi on the other hand gets along with most everyone else. Do you honestly think that everyone else here just dislikes you because you are stating your opinion of bible interpretations? People dislike you because you try to come across as superior. You talk down to people. You insult people. You antagonize people. If you want to help people you are going about it wrong. You have been told all this before many many times. This thread was started by you to get attention and to try and make Semi look bad. What you did was once again show everyone here that you have no intention of having civilized discussions.

 

Semi does not hate you. She strongly dislikes you, as most of us do. Semi will not allow you to get away with treating others rudely without calling you on it. Its just one of the many qualities that endears her to me.

That Semi; worth her weight in gold.

Good luck with trying to make BeeG see the error of his ways. 

I haven't much hope for him.

 

Ya can lead a 'neck to logic, but ya can't make him think.

 

Or one could also do as many have after reading Bill's posts.  One could decide that the negative energy dripping off all his posts and the passive-aggressiveness and hatred, bigotry, and condescending attitude were enough reason to just leave the forums.  I haven't looked in in a good while and when I do I see the same nastiness that was always here.  How sad that so many have left these forums because of mostly a couple of people.  And how sad to live as you do, Bill, thinking that you have all the answers and the only right way to think, live, or be, and to think you have some mission to intrude on other people's beliefs by trying to prove them wrong.  The long, rude speeches are bad enough, but the "God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day" signature after them reminds me why I really left.  It made me feel sick to my stomach.

 

So hi to everyone else and I wish you all joy in your lives.  No need to correct me and show me the error of my ways, Bill.  I won't be reading any of your replies.

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It's good to see you again frog, and to deliver such a great spot on post

is just what I needed for my sick stomach when billie-jiz is reposting his

reruns. You know a dog always returns to his own puke.

Eminem has a song for billie.

 

Hi Jank,

 

You tell me, "Semi does not hate you.  She strongly dislikes you, as most of us do.  Semi will not allow you to get away with treating others rudely without calling you on it.  Its just one of the many qualities that endears her to me."

 

Let me see, you are a declared atheist -- and Chick is a confused agnostic.  Gee, I wonder why you love her so?   Or, is that truly love?   Sounds to me more like "misery loves company."

 

But, in the end, who is it that loves her more -- the one who encourages her to continue turning away from God; or the one who continues to tell her she needs God in her life?   Yes, even though she shows great hatred toward me; I will continue to have such strong Godly love for her -- that I will speak the truth to her; even if she does not, at this time, want to hear it.

 

Jesus Christ has not given up on Chick, or even you, and neither will I.   Keep in mind that Christ loves her so much that He died for her, and for you.   All I am doing is asking her to consider living for Him.   You might give some thought to that, also.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

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Hi Frog!!

Great post & right on but the old man can't stop what he's doing. Satan demands it of him & he obeys. Some of us see him for what he really is.

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Don't listen to billie Jankn, he lies.

Well, as we have all seen before and once again in this thread, Bill has absolutely not desire to discuss religious topics in a civilized or mature way. He doesn't bother me in the least with his hatefilled rants. What he does is just prove over and over what fundamentalist religion can do to a person. For that I thank him. He is the poster boy for what is wrong with his kind of Christianity. I love it when he does the work for those of us that are trying to help people see how toxic his kind of belief is. For that reason I don't put him on ignore. Every now and then I like to use him to point out the flaw and sick mindeness of his type of beliefs. If there was such a thing as Satan I would agree with Semi that he works harder for him than his so called God. Since I don't, I will just point out the obvious and say that what he truly represents is a kind of pervasive brainwashing. A religious belief that takes over the mind and warps reality. A religious belief that creates a mind filled with unrealistic thoughts of grandeur based on the idea that his God will reward him for treating others as less than human and beneath them.

 

Keep up the good work Bill. We atheist are counting on you.

 

Oh and I also have great affection for O No and VP. How does that explain your theory of why I care so much for Semi? Both O No and VP are Christians. I consider them forum friends in spite of our differences and I feel pretty confident that they would say the same about me. A big old miserable atheist. If every Christian represented their faith as those two do the world would be a much better place for us all.