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Hi David,
To keep it short, will you please tell us:
1. What do you believe a person must do to be saved, to have eternal life in Christ?
2. Which sin or sins will cause a Christian believer to lose his/her eternal salvation?
If you will answer these questions, from your own knowledge and not what someone else has told you, maybe we can have a more precise dialogue in an attempt to answer your question, "Can you be saved and lose eternal life?"
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
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Hi David,
I am writing a response to your post; however since yesterday morning I have only popped in and out of the forum a few times -- and have not had time to really complete a detailed response.
Yesterday morning, the 20 year old daughter of a close Christian sister was killed in a car accident on the freeway. And, that has taken much of the wind from my sails. She was such a beautiful girl, with all of her life ahead of her -- and in a split second she was gone. I don't know all the details yet. A Friend in Santa Barbara who is their relative called to tell me -- and I was too shocked to ask any questions about how it happened.
Just last week her mom had posted photos of her 20th Birthday Party on Facebook -- and I had commented about how quickly she had become 20 years old; when I still think of her as that small child in church.
But, please keep my Christian sister, Jean, in your prayers. She had two daughters and this was the youngest.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
Hi David,
To keep it short, will you please tell us:
1. What do you believe a person must do to be saved, to have eternal life in Christ?
2. Which sin or sins will cause a Christian believer to lose his/her eternal salvation?
If you will answer these questions, from your own knowledge and not what someone else has told you, maybe we can have a more precise dialogue in an attempt to answer your question, "Can you be saved and lose eternal life?"
Well we all now know that Billy Boy is a liar and a coward who, when caught in a lie, hides behind the supposed death of another to avoid answering for his lack of an answer... He is, indeed, a sick man...
S-I-G-H.........
One thing about OSAS that puzzles me. Let’s say a person in his youth becomes saved, but as he/she grows older, grows away from God. If a person can change for the better, can they not also change for the worst, even after they've been saved? Turn from God and decide not to follow his ways? Commit crimes such as theft, murder, etc. He (or she) never repents and asks God’s forgiveness for those crimes. If so, how can he still be "saved" and go to Heaven?
Thanks VP. I didn't get an answer on the other thread, so I thought I'd try it here.
One thing about OSAS that puzzles me. Let’s say a person in his youth becomes saved, but as he/she grows older, grows away from God. If a person can change for the better, can they not also change for the worst, even after they've been saved? Turn from God and decide not to follow his ways? Commit crimes such as theft, murder, etc. He (or she) never repents and asks God’s forgiveness for those crimes. If so, how can he still be "saved" and go to Heaven?
Canade it is so simple to understand even a caveman could do it. Like vee says salvation is an on going process.
While Bill uses his argument of OSAS to allow his constant blasphemy of everyone and gets off Scott-free himself the papal authority have their own version of interpretive freedom to suit man and his sins in exchange for tithing.
The COC teaches neither tithing, OSAS nor papal authority to abandon scripture when expedient.
Contendah is one such advocate of speaking where the Bible speaks and be silent where the Bible is silent.
Bill was Catholic for fifteen years as I remember and more than likely assumes his liberties from that experience.
One thing about OSAS that puzzles me. Let’s say a person in his youth becomes saved, but as he/she grows older, grows away from God. If a person can change for the better, can they not also change for the worst, even after they've been saved? Turn from God and decide not to follow his ways? Commit crimes such as theft, murder, etc. He (or she) never repents and asks God’s forgiveness for those crimes. If so, how can he still be "saved" and go to Heaven?
For one thing Canade scripture plainly teaches that no murderer has eternal life. When someone is saved he/she is a "new creature" in Christ Jesus. There is the indwelling of the holy spirit which restrains us from sin and leads us if we yield to it. Do believers have license to sin? No. God still punishes sin in his children even up to and including early physical death. There is also the judgment seat of Christ which believers must face. A lot of folks say that just has to with rewards I think there is a real punishment aspect as well but I can't nail it down. Are there scriptures that seem to say a person can lose salvation? Yes just like there are scriptures that seem to teach predestination that is a person's eternal destiny is fixed before he or she is ever born. However, looking at the totality of scripture I believe in eternal security just like I reject predestination. I hope that helps it may not. I know that I don't have all the answers so all I can say is study and read and ask God to guide you.
While Bill uses his argument of OSAS to allow his constant blasphemy of everyone and gets off Scott-free himself the papal authority have their own version of interpretive freedom to suit man and his sins in exchange for tithing.
The COC teaches neither tithing, OSAS nor papal authority to abandon scripture when expedient.
Quail would you tell me where papal authority has abandoned scripture
when expedient.?
Contendah is one such advocate of speaking where the Bible speaks and be silent where the Bible is silent.
It's isn't logical to be silent because you can't find it in the Bible if those
facts do not contradict the Bible. Why do you and yours seperate the
The Bible and the life of Christ from the real world. The day to day human
interest activities are just that, very interesting, and helpful in our
understanding during the lives of all these people. It's no secret that God
is trying to keep from us.
Bill was Catholic for fifteen years as I remember and more than likely assumes his liberties from that experience.
What non Catholic liberties does Bill assume from his non catholic
experience? Don't try to blame a heretic like Bill on where it doesn't
belong. He's yours, you support him so you deal with him. He has
nothing to do with this side of Christianity. You built the fence, he
stays on your side of the fence.
Invickuleous les start with the Biblical autonomy of different congregations of the Church. That should keep you busy for the while.
Bill installs a pappa in every congregation to maintain the same stranglehold on members pocketbooks as do Catholics with one pope. He is a version of the Catholic church
While Bill uses his argument of OSAS to allow his constant blasphemy of everyone and gets off Scott-free himself the papal authority have their own version of interpretive freedom to suit man and his sins in exchange for tithing.
The COC teaches neither tithing, OSAS nor papal authority to abandon scripture when expedient.
Quail would you tell me where papal authority has abandoned scripture
when expedient.?
Contendah is one such advocate of speaking where the Bible speaks and be silent where the Bible is silent.
It's isn't logical to be silent because you can't find it in the Bible if those
facts do not contradict the Bible. Why do you and yours seperate the
The Bible and the life of Christ from the real world. The day to day human
interest activities are just that, very interesting, and helpful in our
understanding during the lives of all these people. It's no secret that God
is trying to keep from us.
Bill was Catholic for fifteen years as I remember and more than likely assumes his liberties from that experience.
What non Catholic liberties does Bill assume from his non catholic
experience? Don't try to blame a heretic like Bill on where it doesn't
belong. He's yours, you support him so you deal with him. He has
nothing to do with this side of Christianity. You built the fence, he
stays on your side of the fence.
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If you lose eternal life, how can you be saved??
good question invicke
have youns yet anathematized Bill? vuccuous
have youns yet anathematized Bill? vuccuous
Years ago, and his dog.