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Those who read the record of the Gospels carefully will find repeated authority from Jesus to renounce the doctrine of eternal security. In Luke 12:42-46 Christ described in another parable how a faithful servant could turn into an unfaithful one. After asking, "Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household. . . ?"Jesus answers His own question: "That servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing . . . he will make him ruler over all that he hath."Then Christ explains how that servant could lose his reward. "But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers." Verses 45,46.

consider this warning Paul gave: "See then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off" (Rom. 11:22)

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Salvation Can Be Forfeited One more parable of Christ spotlights the fact that continued forgiveness is conditional for the believer. The story is found in Matthew 18:21-35, and revolves around the forgiveness of God. A certain king responded to the pleas of his servant and forgave him a large debt. That servant went out and found a fellow servant who owed him a small amount and showed no mercy, throwing him in prison because he could not pay. When the king heard what had happened, he rescinded his cancellation of the large debt and had his servant thrown to the tormentors till he paid in full. No one can deny the obvious teaching of this parable. Even though God graciously forgives those who apply for it, that forgiveness is not without conditions for the future. We can lose that forgiveness by being unmerciful to others. This is in harmony with the words of the Lord in Ezekiel 33:13, "When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it." The principle is repeated in verse 18, "When the righteous turneth from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, he shall even die thereby."
What does "once saved" mean? It is used by those who think salvation is merely a choice and recitation of a prayer. Rather than believing God's sovereign will and work in salvation, they teach the heresy of decisional regeneration – sinners in the flesh decide when God must save them, contrary to the Bible (John 1:13; 3:6-8; 5:21,25-29,39; Rom 8:7-8; 9:15-16; Gal 5:17; Eph 2:1-3; Jas 1:18). They limit salvation to the moment they decided to be saved. This includes the inventions of "going forward" and/or "inviting Jesus into my heart." They look at this date as the "once saved" event that counts.

Hi David,

 

To keep it short, will you please tell us:

 

1.  What do you believe a person must do to be saved, to have eternal life in Christ?

 

2.  Which sin or sins will cause a Christian believer to lose his/her eternal salvation?

 

If you will answer these questions, from your own knowledge and not what someone else has told you, maybe we can have a more precise dialogue in an attempt to answer your question, "Can you be saved and lose eternal life?"

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Bill, We have been saved by the death of Jesus Christ. While we were still sinners, Jesus’ death canceled the bond that stood against us (Col. 2:14). (Thank you Jesus) In other words, the guilt of original sin has been wiped away. God pardoned our sins. But being pardoned isn’t the same as being holy. Being pardoned gives us back our freedom to choose the road to holiness, to walk the narrow path. Right now, today, we are being saved. Grace is wooing us down the narrow path. We are becoming holy. Salvation is an ongoing event.
Originally Posted by House of David:
Bill, We have been saved by the death of Jesus Christ. While we were still sinners, Jesus’ death canceled the bond that stood against us (Col. 2:14). (Thank you Jesus) In other words, the guilt of original sin has been wiped away. God pardoned our sins. But being pardoned isn’t the same as being holy. Being pardoned gives us back our freedom to choose the road to holiness, to walk the narrow path. Right now, today, we are being saved. Grace is wooing us down the narrow path. We are becoming holy. Salvation is an ongoing event.
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Bill, We have been saved by the death of Jesus Christ. ( Thank you Jesus). While we were still sinners, Jesus’ death canceled the bond that stood against us (Col. 2:14). In other words, the guilt of original sin has been wiped away. God pardoned our sins. But being pardoned isn’t the same as being holy. Being pardoned gives us back our freedom to choose the road to holiness, to walk the narrow path. Right now, today, we are being saved. Grace is wooing us down the narrow path. We are becoming holy. Salvation is an ongoing event.

Hi David,

 

I am writing a response to your post; however since yesterday morning I have only popped in and out of the forum a few times -- and have not had time to really complete a detailed response.

 

Yesterday morning, the 20 year old daughter of a close Christian sister was killed in a car accident on the freeway.  And, that has taken much of the wind from my sails.  She was such a beautiful girl, with all of her life ahead of her -- and in a split second she was gone.  I don't know all the details yet.  A Friend in Santa Barbara who is their relative called to tell me -- and I was too shocked to ask any questions about how it happened.

 

Just last week her mom had posted photos of her 20th Birthday Party on Facebook -- and I had commented about how quickly she had become 20 years old; when I still think of her as that small child in church.

 

But, please keep my Christian sister, Jean, in your prayers.  She had two daughters and this was the youngest.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi David,

 

To keep it short, will you please tell us:

 

1.  What do you believe a person must do to be saved, to have eternal life in Christ?

 

2.  Which sin or sins will cause a Christian believer to lose his/her eternal salvation?

 

If you will answer these questions, from your own knowledge and not what someone else has told you, maybe we can have a more precise dialogue in an attempt to answer your question, "Can you be saved and lose eternal life?"

 

 

fascinating

 

 

 

One thing about OSAS that puzzles me. Let’s say a person in his youth becomes saved, but as he/she grows older, grows away from God. If a person can change for the better, can they not also change for the worst, even after they've been saved? Turn from God and decide not to follow his ways? Commit crimes such as theft, murder, etc. He (or she) never  repents and asks God’s forgiveness for those crimes.   If so, how can he still be "saved" and go to Heaven?

Bill and people who adhere to the "OSAS" thought will argue that a person like that was never "truly" saved to begin with. I've asked the same question many times and never had a clear response. Hope you get one;-) But for what it's worth, your exmple is precisely why we disagree with OSAS and maintain that salvation is an ongoing process.
Sometimes things can't be answered while keeping ones doctrines intact. When confronted with these difficult questions it is commonplace, unfortunately, to dodge and distract. This does no good, though, because credibility is lost- I cannot count how many times my answer has been "I don't know". Sometimes that's the most honest and real answer. We forget sometimes, that we are not supposed to have all the answers.;-)
Originally Posted by canade:

One thing about OSAS that puzzles me. Let’s say a person in his youth becomes saved, but as he/she grows older, grows away from God. If a person can change for the better, can they not also change for the worst, even after they've been saved? Turn from God and decide not to follow his ways? Commit crimes such as theft, murder, etc. He (or she) never  repents and asks God’s forgiveness for those crimes.   If so, how can he still be "saved" and go to Heaven?

Canade it is so simple to understand even a caveman could do it. Like vee says salvation is an on going process.

While Bill uses his argument of OSAS to allow his constant blasphemy of everyone and gets off Scott-free himself the papal authority have their own version of  interpretive freedom to suit man and his sins in exchange for tithing.

The COC teaches neither tithing, OSAS nor papal authority to abandon scripture when expedient.

Contendah is one such advocate of speaking where the Bible speaks and be silent where the Bible is silent.

Bill was Catholic for fifteen years as I remember and more than likely assumes his liberties from that experience.

Originally Posted by canade:

One thing about OSAS that puzzles me. Let’s say a person in his youth becomes saved, but as he/she grows older, grows away from God. If a person can change for the better, can they not also change for the worst, even after they've been saved? Turn from God and decide not to follow his ways? Commit crimes such as theft, murder, etc. He (or she) never  repents and asks God’s forgiveness for those crimes.   If so, how can he still be "saved" and go to Heaven?

For one thing Canade scripture plainly teaches that no murderer has eternal life.  When someone is saved he/she is a "new creature" in Christ Jesus. There is the indwelling of the holy spirit which restrains us from sin and leads us if we yield to it. Do believers have license to sin? No. God still punishes sin in his children even up to and including early physical death. There is also the judgment seat of Christ which believers must face. A lot of folks say that just has to with rewards I think there is a real punishment aspect as well but I can't nail it down. Are there scriptures that seem to say a person can lose salvation? Yes just like there are scriptures that seem to teach predestination that is a person's eternal destiny is fixed before he or she is ever born. However, looking at the totality of scripture I believe in eternal security just like I reject predestination. I hope that helps it may not. I know that I don't have all the answers so all I can say is study and read and ask God to guide you.

Originally Posted by Quaildog:
 

While Bill uses his argument of OSAS to allow his constant blasphemy of everyone and gets off Scott-free himself the papal authority have their own version of  interpretive freedom to suit man and his sins in exchange for tithing.

The COC teaches neither tithing, OSAS nor papal authority to abandon scripture when expedient.

 

Quail would you tell me where papal authority has abandoned scripture

when expedient.?

 

Contendah is one such advocate of speaking where the Bible speaks and be silent where the Bible is silent.

 

It's isn't logical to be silent because you can't find it in the Bible if those

facts do not contradict the Bible. Why do you and yours seperate the

The Bible and the life of Christ from the real world. The day to day human

interest activities  are just that, very interesting, and helpful in our

understanding during the lives of all these people. It's no secret that God

is trying to keep from us.

 

Bill was Catholic for fifteen years as I remember and more than likely assumes his liberties from that experience.

 

What non Catholic liberties does Bill assume from his non catholic

experience? Don't try to blame a heretic like Bill on where it doesn't

belong. He's yours, you support him so you deal with him. He has

nothing to do with this side of Christianity. You built the fence, he

stays on your side of the fence.

 

 

Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Originally Posted by Quaildog:
 

While Bill uses his argument of OSAS to allow his constant blasphemy of everyone and gets off Scott-free himself the papal authority have their own version of  interpretive freedom to suit man and his sins in exchange for tithing.

The COC teaches neither tithing, OSAS nor papal authority to abandon scripture when expedient.

 

Quail would you tell me where papal authority has abandoned scripture

when expedient.?

 

Contendah is one such advocate of speaking where the Bible speaks and be silent where the Bible is silent.

 

It's isn't logical to be silent because you can't find it in the Bible if those

facts do not contradict the Bible. Why do you and yours seperate the

The Bible and the life of Christ from the real world. The day to day human

interest activities  are just that, very interesting, and helpful in our

understanding during the lives of all these people. It's no secret that God

is trying to keep from us.

 

Bill was Catholic for fifteen years as I remember and more than likely assumes his liberties from that experience.

 

What non Catholic liberties does Bill assume from his non catholic

experience? Don't try to blame a heretic like Bill on where it doesn't

belong. He's yours, you support him so you deal with him. He has

nothing to do with this side of Christianity. You built the fence, he

stays on your side of the fence.

 

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If you lose eternal life, how can you be saved??

 

 

 

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