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Cheney trots out the 'you're with us or you're a traitor' rhetoric

The Bush Administration, its back against the wall in its failed Iraq war, dispatched attack dog Dick Cheney Saturday to spew the usual rhetoric of hate -- claiming the House vote to set a timetable for withdrawal aids and abets the enemy.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cm/content/view/343/159/
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
I don't see the word "traitor" in there anywhere. I do see where he correctly states that they are "undermining the troops" though.


Gosh, wanting to bring the troops home and preserve their lives from a war that can't be won. Yes, that is definitely undermining them. -note sarcasm. Now, let's join the real world and tell Bush and Cheney and the rest of the warmongers that "if you are not with what the majority of the US wants, you are the traitor". Yes, nice ring to it...
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Originally posted by DHS-86:
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
I don't see the word "traitor" in there anywhere. I do see where he correctly states that they are "undermining the troops" though.


Gosh, wanting to bring the troops home and preserve their lives from a war that can't be won. Yes, that is definitely undermining them. -note sarcasm. Now, let's join the real world and tell Bush and Cheney and the rest of the warmongers that "if you are not with what the majority of the US wants, you are the traitor". Yes, nice ring to it...


Amen
Would you please explain to me what the "majority" of the US wants? When you do, come with facts. Polls won't get it. I will never buy the "ask 1000 households" so that we know what 300M people think. All I know is that GWB is the CinC (he was elected twice don't ya know) and will be until replaced in 2008. He has a paper in hand (voted on by your left leaning buddies) to do what needs to be done with the GWOT, and he's doing it. Congress either needs to give him the funding he requested or grow a pair and defund it all. Anything other than that is micromanaging BS.
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
Would you please explain to me what the "majority" of the US wants? When you do, come with facts. Polls won't get it. I will never buy the "ask 1000 households" so that we know what 300M people think. All I know is that GWB is the CinC (he was elected twice don't ya know) and will be until replaced in 2008. He has a paper in hand (voted on by your left leaning buddies) to do what needs to be done with the GWOT, and he's doing it. Congress either needs to give him the funding he requested or grow a pair and defund it all. Anything other than that is micromanaging BS.



Don't you mean Bush stole the election in 2000 and may have in 2004!!
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
Would you please explain to me what the "majority" of the US wants? When you do, come with facts. Polls won't get it. I will never buy the "ask 1000 households" so that we know what 300M people think. All I know is that GWB is the CinC (he was elected twice don't ya know) and will be until replaced in 2008. He has a paper in hand (voted on by your left leaning buddies) to do what needs to be done with the GWOT, and he's doing it. Congress either needs to give him the funding he requested or grow a pair and defund it all. Anything other than that is micromanaging BS.


The majority of the US wants out of Iraq. It is not benefitting our country in the least. Staying and fighting simply for the sake of fighting is insane. A wise man once said "Doing the same things over and over, and expecting different results is the definition of insanity".

Bush was appointed once and elected once. Popular vote showed he lost the first election, but I don't care to get into all that at this time.

And, as I have tried to tell you, just because a person is a Democrat it does not necessarily mean that person is a liberal. 2 major parties- democrat and Republican- 2 schools of political thought - liberal and conservative. There are both in each party.
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
Would you please explain to me what the "majority" of the US wants? When you do, come with facts. Polls won't get it. I will never buy the "ask 1000 households" so that we know what 300M people think. All I know is that GWB is the CinC (he was elected twice don't ya know) and will be until replaced in 2008. He has a paper in hand (voted on by your left leaning buddies) to do what needs to be done with the GWOT, and he's doing it. Congress either needs to give him the funding he requested or grow a pair and defund it all. Anything other than that is micromanaging BS.



I'm with you on this one -- show me actual votes -- as much as I hate to say this -- Ed's post on the city in Vermont comes to mind -- forget the polls. Polls are as bad as the "crooked election" you want to bring up -- they can be as misinterpreted, misread and manipulated if you want them to be.
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Originally posted by DHS-86:
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
Would you please explain to me what the "majority" of the US wants? When you do, come with facts. Polls won't get it. I will never buy the "ask 1000 households" so that we know what 300M people think. All I know is that GWB is the CinC (he was elected twice don't ya know) and will be until replaced in 2008. He has a paper in hand (voted on by your left leaning buddies) to do what needs to be done with the GWOT, and he's doing it. Congress either needs to give him the funding he requested or grow a pair and defund it all. Anything other than that is micromanaging BS.


The majority of the US wants out of Iraq. It is not benefitting our country in the least. Staying and fighting simply for the sake of fighting is insane. A wise man once said "Doing the same things over and over, and expecting different results is the definition of insanity".

Bush was appointed once and elected once. Popular vote showed he lost the first election, but I don't care to get into all that at this time.

And, as I have tried to tell you, just because a person is a Democrat it does not necessarily mean that person is a liberal. 2 major parties- democrat and Republican- 2 schools of political thought - liberal and conservative. There are both in each party.


1. You brought no facts for the "majority" so I see you can't back up that statement.
2. Bush won the electoral college in 2000. The last time I checked, that how we elect a president.
3. I never used the word "liberal" once... you did.
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Originally posted by DHS-86:
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
Would you please explain to me what the "majority" of the US wants? When you do, come with facts. Polls won't get it. I will never buy the "ask 1000 households" so that we know what 300M people think. All I know is that GWB is the CinC (he was elected twice don't ya know) and will be until replaced in 2008. He has a paper in hand (voted on by your left leaning buddies) to do what needs to be done with the GWOT, and he's doing it. Congress either needs to give him the funding he requested or grow a pair and defund it all. Anything other than that is micromanaging BS.


The majority of the US wants out of Iraq. It is not benefitting our country in the least. Staying and fighting simply for the sake of fighting is insane. A wise man once said "Doing the same things over and over, and expecting different results is the definition of insanity".

Bush was appointed once and elected once. Popular vote showed he lost the first election, but I don't care to get into all that at this time.

And, as I have tried to tell you, just because a person is a Democrat it does not necessarily mean that person is a liberal. 2 major parties- democrat and Republican- 2 schools of political thought - liberal and conservative. There are both in each party.



you have liberal's in the Republican party as well as others!
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Originally posted by pba:
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Originally posted by DHS-86:
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
Would you please explain to me what the "majority" of the US wants? When you do, come with facts. Polls won't get it. I will never buy the "ask 1000 households" so that we know what 300M people think. All I know is that GWB is the CinC (he was elected twice don't ya know) and will be until replaced in 2008. He has a paper in hand (voted on by your left leaning buddies) to do what needs to be done with the GWOT, and he's doing it. Congress either needs to give him the funding he requested or grow a pair and defund it all. Anything other than that is micromanaging BS.


The majority of the US wants out of Iraq. It is not benefitting our country in the least. Staying and fighting simply for the sake of fighting is insane. A wise man once said "Doing the same things over and over, and expecting different results is the definition of insanity".

Bush was appointed once and elected once. Popular vote showed he lost the first election, but I don't care to get into all that at this time.

And, as I have tried to tell you, just because a person is a Democrat it does not necessarily mean that person is a liberal. 2 major parties- democrat and Republican- 2 schools of political thought - liberal and conservative. There are both in each party.



you have liberal's in the Republican party as well as others!


Once again, I never said "liberal", you did.
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Originally posted by DHS-86:
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
Would you please explain to me what the "majority" of the US wants? When you do, come with facts. Polls won't get it. I will never buy the "ask 1000 households" so that we know what 300M people think. All I know is that GWB is the CinC (he was elected twice don't ya know) and will be until replaced in 2008. He has a paper in hand (voted on by your left leaning buddies) to do what needs to be done with the GWOT, and he's doing it. Congress either needs to give him the funding he requested or grow a pair and defund it all. Anything other than that is micromanaging BS.


The majority of the US wants out of Iraq. It is not benefitting our country in the least. Staying and fighting simply for the sake of fighting is insane. A wise man once said "Doing the same things over and over, and expecting different results is the definition of insanity".

Bush was appointed once and elected once. Popular vote showed he lost the first election, but I don't care to get into all that at this time.

And, as I have tried to tell you, just because a person is a Democrat it does not necessarily mean that person is a liberal. 2 major parties- democrat and Republican- 2 schools of political thought - liberal and conservative. There are both in each party.



I don't care what poliitcal affiliation you have -- We do not vote our President in with the majority of the popular vote -- we use the electoral college. You can spout that all you want to that he didn't get the popular vote--he won the college and that is it. He won them both -- regardless of the small margin -- every vote counts as it should in the system we use. We have used it for centuries and until the likes of Bush/Gore and Bush/Kerry elections where we were choosing between the lesser of 2 evils -- it has worked and it still does today. The EC makes sure that MY vote in Alabama counts.

If you want to get on the bandwagon of "popular vote"--look at how crazy the popular vote is -- American Idol--Sanjaya who can't sing worth a ____ is still in the competition! America is apparently full of screaming teenagers or is tone-deaf!

Big Grin Hello! If they are willing to vote him to stay every week -- doing something that doesn't work is insane was your comment -- then why don't they vote Sanjaya off ---

I know that doesn't make sense, but it shows how skewed polls can be and how an actual vote will show you what reality is....
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
Would you please explain to me what the "majority" of the US wants? When you do, come with facts. Polls won't get it. I will never buy the "ask 1000 households" so that we know what 300M people think. All I know is that GWB is the CinC (he was elected twice don't ya know) and will be until replaced in 2008. He has a paper in hand (voted on by your left leaning buddies) to do what needs to be done with the GWOT, and he's doing it. Congress either needs to give him the funding he requested or grow a pair and defund it all. Anything other than that is micromanaging BS.
just so you know what you're talking about AND IN TOTAL DEFIANCE OF YOUR OBJECTION TO POLLS, I present this link.
http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm

Believe them or not SP it's up to you. BUT THEY ARE THE BEST OPTION, since there is no other UNBIASED option available.

BTW. DON'T YOU DARE TO EVER TELL ANYONE THAT FOX NEWS IS THE MOST POPULAR NEWS OUTLET ON TV AGAIN. That statement is based entirely on polling results.
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
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Originally posted by DHS-86:
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
Would you please explain to me what the "majority" of the US wants? When you do, come with facts. Polls won't get it. I will never buy the "ask 1000 households" so that we know what 300M people think. All I know is that GWB is the CinC (he was elected twice don't ya know) and will be until replaced in 2008. He has a paper in hand (voted on by your left leaning buddies) to do what needs to be done with the GWOT, and he's doing it. Congress either needs to give him the funding he requested or grow a pair and defund it all. Anything other than that is micromanaging BS.


The majority of the US wants out of Iraq. It is not benefitting our country in the least. Staying and fighting simply for the sake of fighting is insane. A wise man once said "Doing the same things over and over, and expecting different results is the definition of insanity".

Bush was appointed once and elected once. Popular vote showed he lost the first election, but I don't care to get into all that at this time.

And, as I have tried to tell you, just because a person is a Democrat it does not necessarily mean that person is a liberal. 2 major parties- democrat and Republican- 2 schools of political thought - liberal and conservative. There are both in each party.


1. You brought no facts for the "majority" so I see you can't back up that statement.
2. Bush won the electoral college in 2000. The last time I checked, that how we elect a president.
3. I never used the word "liberal" once... you did.


You used "left leaning buddies", that means liberal.

OK, I cited no facts or website or newspaper, only common sense. Why would we, as a country, want to stay in Iraq? It makes no sense. We stayed in one war we could not win about 40 years ago. Remember how that turned out? This is turning into the same kind of situation. Open your eyes to what is going on instead of just trying to justify everything Bush is doing.
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Originally posted by stephanie:
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Originally posted by DHS-86:
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
Would you please explain to me what the "majority" of the US wants? When you do, come with facts. Polls won't get it. I will never buy the "ask 1000 households" so that we know what 300M people think. All I know is that GWB is the CinC (he was elected twice don't ya know) and will be until replaced in 2008. He has a paper in hand (voted on by your left leaning buddies) to do what needs to be done with the GWOT, and he's doing it. Congress either needs to give him the funding he requested or grow a pair and defund it all. Anything other than that is micromanaging BS.


The majority of the US wants out of Iraq. It is not benefitting our country in the least. Staying and fighting simply for the sake of fighting is insane. A wise man once said "Doing the same things over and over, and expecting different results is the definition of insanity".

Bush was appointed once and elected once. Popular vote showed he lost the first election, but I don't care to get into all that at this time.

And, as I have tried to tell you, just because a person is a Democrat it does not necessarily mean that person is a liberal. 2 major parties- democrat and Republican- 2 schools of political thought - liberal and conservative. There are both in each party.



I don't care what poliitcal affiliation you have -- We do not vote our President in with the majority of the popular vote -- we use the electoral college. You can spout that all you want to that he didn't get the popular vote--he won the college and that is it. He won them both -- regardless of the small margin -- every vote counts as it should in the system we use. We have used it for centuries and until the likes of Bush/Gore and Bush/Kerry elections where we were choosing between the lesser of 2 evils -- it has worked and it still does today. The EC makes sure that MY vote in Alabama counts.

If you want to get on the bandwagon of "popular vote"--look at how crazy the popular vote is -- American Idol--Sanjaya who can't sing worth a ____ is still in the competition! America is apparently full of screaming teenagers or is tone-deaf!

Big Grin Hello! If they are willing to vote him to stay every week -- doing something that doesn't work is insane was your comment -- then why don't they vote Sanjaya off ---

I know that doesn't make sense, but it shows how skewed polls can be and how an actual vote will show you what reality is....


I stated that I was not going into this, but the electoral college voting system is flawed. Always has been, always will be. I'm sure you do like it, otherwise W would have never gotten into office.
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Originally posted by DHS-86:
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Originally posted by stephanie:
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Originally posted by DHS-86:
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
Would you please explain to me what the "majority" of the US wants? When you do, come with facts. Polls won't get it. I will never buy the "ask 1000 households" so that we know what 300M people think. All I know is that GWB is the CinC (he was elected twice don't ya know) and will be until replaced in 2008. He has a paper in hand (voted on by your left leaning buddies) to do what needs to be done with the GWOT, and he's doing it. Congress either needs to give him the funding he requested or grow a pair and defund it all. Anything other than that is micromanaging BS.


The majority of the US wants out of Iraq. It is not benefitting our country in the least. Staying and fighting simply for the sake of fighting is insane. A wise man once said "Doing the same things over and over, and expecting different results is the definition of insanity".

Bush was appointed once and elected once. Popular vote showed he lost the first election, but I don't care to get into all that at this time.

And, as I have tried to tell you, just because a person is a Democrat it does not necessarily mean that person is a liberal. 2 major parties- democrat and Republican- 2 schools of political thought - liberal and conservative. There are both in each party.



I don't care what poliitcal affiliation you have -- We do not vote our President in with the majority of the popular vote -- we use the electoral college. You can spout that all you want to that he didn't get the popular vote--he won the college and that is it. He won them both -- regardless of the small margin -- every vote counts as it should in the system we use. We have used it for centuries and until the likes of Bush/Gore and Bush/Kerry elections where we were choosing between the lesser of 2 evils -- it has worked and it still does today. The EC makes sure that MY vote in Alabama counts.

If you want to get on the bandwagon of "popular vote"--look at how crazy the popular vote is -- American Idol--Sanjaya who can't sing worth a ____ is still in the competition! America is apparently full of screaming teenagers or is tone-deaf!

Big Grin Hello! If they are willing to vote him to stay every week -- doing something that doesn't work is insane was your comment -- then why don't they vote Sanjaya off ---

I know that doesn't make sense, but it shows how skewed polls can be and how an actual vote will show you what reality is....


I stated that I was not going into this, but the electoral college voting system is flawed. Always has been, always will be. I'm sure you do like it, otherwise W would have never gotten into office.


I agree with you it has its flaws, but like it or not -- that is the way it is. The first time no Bush wouldn't have against Gore -- but the 2nd time against Kerry, yes he would have won.
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Originally posted by DHS-86:
Would have been Gore's second term. I doubt if he would have stepped aside for Kerry to run.


Excuse me -- it would have been a rematch against Gore -- You are correct Gore probably wouldn't have stepped aside. I seriously doubt Gore would have done a better job in the first term so I would still believe that Bush would have won in 2004 -- And had he been running against Gore as the incumbent, I doubt the margin would have been as close the 2nd time around...I was going based on the numbers of the 2 elections...but this is just MHO
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
I don't see the word "traitor" in there anywhere. I do see where he correctly states that they are "undermining the troops" though.
Right, pba is over the top as usual. BUT, YOU CALL IT TREASON, AND HAVE CALLED IT TREASON ON THIS FORUM.



Thank you very much Ed!

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