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Christian Story of Jesus's Birth Is a Myth Born of Politics.

Beautiful as it is, the story of the birth of Jesus is a myth born of the political needs of early Christians.

The Advent season is a fun time. For many Christians, it is the happiest season of the year. The joy comes from the anticipation: "Joy to the world, the Lord has come. Let earth receive her king."

I do not desire to dim the lights of Christmas, but it might be helpful to some to hear what the stories of Jesus birth are really about.

There are four versions of the life of Jesus. We call them the Gospels: Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Only two of the versions say anything about the birth of Jesus.

Mark, the first of the Gospels, begins the Jesus story with Jesus as an adult. John, the last Gospel written, likewise says nothing about the birth of Jesus. Matthew tells the birth story in only a few short paragraphs. Luke's version of the beginnings of Jesus is four times as long as that of Matthew.
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The Advent season is a fun time. For many Christians, it is the happiest season of the year. The joy comes from the anticipation: "Joy to the world, the Lord has come. Let earth receive her king."


Moderators, I demand you take this blasphemous posting down immediately. This spawn of Satan Himself is spreading lies. There is ample scientific and historical proof for Jesus' birth all over the bible.
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The Advent season is a fun time. For many Christians, it is the happiest season of the year. The joy comes from the anticipation: "Joy to the world, the Lord has come. Let earth receive her king."


Moderators, I demand you take this blasphemous posting down immediately. This spawn of Satan Himself is spreading lies. There is ample scientific and historical proof for Jesus' birth all over the bible.


Hey Willy, Ya need to learn to read labels better... That was "Chlordane", not "Strychnine." Uh, is there a doctor in the house?
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Originally posted by Nobluedog:
Christian Story of Jesus's (sic) Birth Is a Myth Born of Politics.

Beautiful as it is, the story of the birth of Jesus is a myth born of the political needs of early Christians.

The Advent season is a fun time. For many Christians, it is the happiest season of the year. The joy comes from the anticipation: "Joy to the world, the Lord has come. Let earth receive her king."

I do not desire to dim the lights of Christmas, but it might be helpful to some to hear what the stories of Jesus birth are really about.

There are four versions of the life of Jesus. We call them the Gospels: Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Only two of the versions say anything about the birth of Jesus.

Mark, the first of the Gospels, begins the Jesus story with Jesus as an adult. John, the last Gospel written, likewise says nothing about the birth of Jesus. Matthew tells the birth story in only a few short paragraphs. Luke's version of the beginnings of Jesus is four times as long as that of Matthew. http://www.alternet.org/story/...yth_born_of_politics

Hi Dog,

Who should we believe about the birth of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ -- a secular internet news web site or the Word of God, the Bible? You may choose to follow your secular news if you like; I will follow the Good News written by God thousands of years ago.

Your article uses the fact that there are four Gospels written in the Bible about Jesus Christ -- as proof that the story of His birth is false. And, although all four agree on most facts, they were written from different perspectives. Matthew was written from a purely Jewish perspective and give us the genealogy of Jesus Christ in the manner of the Jewish culture. It begins with Abraham and goes forward through Joseph, the husband of Mary; as was the Jewish custom of that day.

The genealogy found in Luke is from an historical Gentile perspective since was the only Gentile writer in the Bible. Luke, a physician and a historian, wrote of Jesus' lineage starting from Jesus HImself and proceeding to trace His genealogy back through HIs ancestors, just as we do today.

While Matthew's Gospel was written with the theme "Behold your KIng!" And, the genealogy of a King is always recorded. On the other hand, the Gospel of Mark has the theme of Jesus as the "Servant Son" -- and, in those days, no one recorded the genealogy of a servant.

Luke was written to present the "Perfect Man" -- and would therefore show His genealogy. John was written to proclaim the deity of Jesus Christ -- and God has no genealogy for He has always existed.

Your article claims that because the four Gospels are written from differing perspectives; this proves that Jesus Christ is a myth, a political myth?

If that were true, then Abraham Lincoln is also a myth -- for I have a number of books written on the life of Abraham Lincoln -- and they all differ in their time perspective. Some depict his early life as the log splitter and rafter, the store clerk. Another, written by his early law partner, concentrates on his career as a circuit lawyer. Others begin with his presidency and the Civil War. No two begin the same; therefore Abraham Lincoln is a myth -- according to the logic of your secular web site.

Sorry, my Friend, but the stories of the birth, life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ are true. And, it is true that He came to die in my place, in your place, as a substitutionary, atoning victim for all mankind. His birth brought God's promise of redemption to mankind; His death purchased that redemption. His resurrection assured the eternal resurrection of all mankind. And, His ascension into heaven has given all Christian believers a full time, 24/7/365, defense attorney with a very close relationship with the Judge. Yes, He is interceding for all believers, all the time.

That is the promise of His birth. And, our great hope is knowing that He is going to return one day to establish His kingdom on earth, the Millennium Kingdom, where He will rule the earth in perfect peace for one thousand years. And, then He will take all believers into eternity to spend eternity with God.

But, you might ask, "Then what happens to those who do not believe in Him?"

Well, God has provided a place for them also. Their landlord will be Satan.

So, my suggestion for all who are still holding out, still denying God and Jesus Christ -- get right with Him while there is still time.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Nobluedog:
Christian Story of Jesus's (sic) Birth Is a Myth Born of Politics.

Beautiful as it is, the story of the birth of Jesus is a myth born of the political needs of early Christians.

The Advent season is a fun time. For many Christians, it is the happiest season of the year. The joy comes from the anticipation: "Joy to the world, the Lord has come. Let earth receive her king."

I do not desire to dim the lights of Christmas, but it might be helpful to some to hear what the stories of Jesus birth are really about.

There are four versions of the life of Jesus. We call them the Gospels: Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Only two of the versions say anything about the birth of Jesus.

Mark, the first of the Gospels, begins the Jesus story with Jesus as an adult. John, the last Gospel written, likewise says nothing about the birth of Jesus. Matthew tells the birth story in only a few short paragraphs. Luke's version of the beginnings of Jesus is four times as long as that of Matthew. http://www.alternet.org/story/...yth_born_of_politics

Hi Dog,

Who should we believe about the birth of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ -- a secular internet news web site or the Word of God, the Bible?

Bill


Bill, do you never cease asking loaded, slanted questions that carry with them your built in ASSumptions about "the Word of God"? Huh? What do you think the point of asking a slanted question is? Is that how they tricked YOU into the cult you're in, with questions like that, which lead to the conclusions they wanted to lead you to?

Norm.
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Originally posted by Furchizedek:
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
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Originally posted by Nobluedog:
Christian Story of Jesus's (sic) Birth Is a Myth Born of Politics.

Beautiful as it is, the story of the birth of Jesus is a myth born of the political needs of early Christians.

The Advent season is a fun time. For many Christians, it is the happiest season of the year. The joy comes from the anticipation: "Joy to the world, the Lord has come. Let earth receive her king."

I do not desire to dim the lights of Christmas, but it might be helpful to some to hear what the stories of Jesus birth are really about.

There are four versions of the life of Jesus. We call them the Gospels: Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Only two of the versions say anything about the birth of Jesus.

Mark, the first of the Gospels, begins the Jesus story with Jesus as an adult. John, the last Gospel written, likewise says nothing about the birth of Jesus. Matthew tells the birth story in only a few short paragraphs. Luke's version of the beginnings of Jesus is four times as long as that of Matthew. http://www.alternet.org/story/...yth_born_of_politics

Hi Dog,

Who should we believe about the birth of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ -- a secular internet news web site or the Word of God, the Bible?

Bill

Bill, do you never cease asking loaded, slanted questions that carry with them your built in ASSumptions about "the Word of God"? Huh? What do you think the point of asking a slanted question is? Is that how they tricked YOU into the cult you're in, with questions like that, which lead to the conclusions they wanted to lead you to? Norm.

Hi Norm, et al,

How can this be a loaded question? It is very simple. Is Dog going to believe what the world, i.e., secular news sites, teach -- or is he going to believe what God teaches? That seems simple enough for even one drowning in New Age rhetoric to understand.

Of course, we know that you do not want understanding; you want to peddle your dark, demonic, Satanic New Age religion -- and it bothers you that no one will listen.

Norm, you have been on the Religion Forum for a few months now, in one persona (dress) or another -- and the only ones who agree with you are your alter egos. That should be a red flag -- that no one is interested in your New Age religion.

I guess next you will morph Shirley Maclaine to the Religion Forum to support your position. Good luck!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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How can this be a loaded question? Bill

I already told you. It carries with it your built in belief assumption. Norm.

Hi Norm, et al,

Actually, it is not an assumption -- it is a faith, it is an absolute, it is factual. God, the God of the Bible, most certainly exists -- and His ways are polar opposites of the ways of the world.

The world says, "Do your own thing!" and "If it feels good to you; it is right!" and "You are the master of your own world; you are in control!" and assures you that "There are many ways to heaven" or "God does not exist; this life is all there is!"

While God tells us, "I am the LORD your God, . . ." (Exodus 20:2); "You shall have no other gods before Me" (Exodus 20:3); "You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth" (Exodus 20:4); and "You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God" (Exodus 20:5).

So, Norm, assumption? No. Fact? Absolutely.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Nobluedog:
Christian Story of Jesus's Birth Is a Myth Born of Politics.

Beautiful as it is, the story of the birth of Jesus is a myth born of the political needs of early Christians.

The Advent season is a fun time. For many Christians, it is the happiest season of the year. The joy comes from the anticipation: "Joy to the world, the Lord has come. Let earth receive her king."

I do not desire to dim the lights of Christmas, but it might be helpful to some to hear what the stories of Jesus birth are really about.

There are four versions of the life of Jesus. We call them the Gospels: Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Only two of the versions say anything about the birth of Jesus.

Mark, the first of the Gospels, begins the Jesus story with Jesus as an adult. John, the last Gospel written, likewise says nothing about the birth of Jesus. Matthew tells the birth story in only a few short paragraphs. Luke's version of the beginnings of Jesus is four times as long as that of Matthew.
http://www.alternet.org/story/...yth_born_of_politics


This is sorta laughable, if each of the four gospels you mentioned said the exact same thing and only told of the exact same accounts of the life of Jesus then why would the church have even bothered to include all four of them?
They were all written by different people and each wrote from their own point of view about important events of Jesus's life.
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This is sorta laughable, if each of the four gospels you mentioned said the exact same thing and only told of the exact same accounts of the life of Jesus


Again, them fire loving atheists try to ruin the show by stupidly claiming that maybe it was one person who said the story and 4 who wrote it down. If that's the case, its perfectly understandable why some of the details got blurred or contradict each other. The bible is infallible, it's MAN who screwed it all up!
Belief and/or Faith in God, Christ, the Bible, for the Christian is reinforced and borne out by the inner testimony of God's Holy Spirit we need no other confirmation. For those who do not know God, who do not know the Holy Spirit and are not indwelled by the Holy Spirit have no knowledge of God therefore all IS foolishness to them. The Bible is not the Power of God's Word but meaningless words fabricated by other men. There is not the confirming testimony and witness of the Living God through His Holy Spirit so it should not be a shock to the Christian that there are many who are vile and carelessly approach anything to do with Christianity or our own personal faith and the severe attacks one sees and reads on these boards. The result of many years of secular teaching removing God from the Classrooms and restricting discussions from including Christian perspectives leads to such actions as we see so prevalent today. The tenacity and fierce attacks upon Christianity come from fear more than anything and from anger rooted from demonic influences. Nothing is new and disbelief will continue to abound and flourish yet God comforts His saints through His Holy Spirit's ministry, within their own bodies that same Spirit which testifies and guarantees our salvation. To everyone else, until they have that personal, belief altering experience of meeting God then it's very reasonable to understand their disbelief and antagonistic approach to anyone or anything Christian.
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To everyone else, until they have that personal, belief altering experience of meeting God then it's very reasonable to understand their disbelief and antagonistic approach to anyone or anything Christian.


I do have to admit that meeting God would be a belief altering experience for me and would definately dispel my disbelief and antagonism toward Christianity. Wow, you've really met him? What does he look like--the albino Arab from the Bible or the Flying Spaghetti Monster? Don't mess with me. Don't say you've met him if you haven't. I get so tired of people who tell me they know God and then I find out it's just because something made them feel good, so they interpret it as God, as many things that make/have made me feel good in my life, I interpret as forces of nature.
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To everyone else, until they have that personal, belief altering experience of meeting God then it's very reasonable to understand their disbelief and antagonistic approach to anyone or anything Christian.


I do have to admit that meeting God would be a belief altering experience for me and would definately dispel my disbelief and antagonism toward Christianity. Wow, you've really met him? What does he look like--the albino Arab from the Bible or the Flying Spaghetti Monster? Don't mess with me. Don't say you've met him if you haven't. I get so tired of people who tell me they know God and then I find out it's just because something made them feel good, so they interpret it as God, as many things that make/have made me feel good in my life, I interpret as forces of nature.


What is a "force of nature"?
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To everyone else, until they have that personal, belief altering experience of meeting God then it's very reasonable to understand their disbelief and antagonistic approach to anyone or anything Christian.

I do have to admit that meeting God would be a belief altering experience for me and would definitely dispel my disbelief and antagonism toward Christianity. Wow, you've really met him? What does he look like -- the albino Arab from the Bible or the Flying Spaghetti Monster? Don't mess with me. Don't say you've met him if you haven't. I get so tired of people who tell me they know God and then I find out it's just because something made them feel good, so they interpret it as God, as many things that make/have made me feel good in my life, I interpret as forces of nature.

Hi Deeka,

Actually, unless you are sincerely ready to meet God; it will not happen. We see an example of this in Luke 16:19-31, where both the rich man and Lazarus the beggar died. Both went to Hades; Lazarus to the Bosom of Abraham, i.e., Paradise -- the rich man to the less desirable side of Hades called Torment. The rich man is suffering and begs Abraham to send Lazarus to give him a drop of water -- but, no human who has died can cross the chasm between Paradise and Torment. The rich man begged Abraham to send Lazarus back to life so that he could warn the rich man's brothers.

We read of their discussion in Luke 16:29-31, "But Abraham said, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.' But he said, 'No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent!' But he said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.'"

And, here again, what the rich man asked was impossible; for, as we are told in Hebrews 9:27, "And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment." Man dies once, he cannot come back, he cannot intervene in the lives of those of us still living on earth. So, no, ghosts do not exist. Evil spirits, i.e., fallen angels, do tempt and sometimes possess the non-believers -- but they cannot possess the Christian believers. They can harass us; but, they cannot possess us. Therefore, ghost stories are just that -- stories.

Yes, Jesus did raise His friend, Lazarus (another Lazarus) from the dead -- and He and the apostles did raise others from the dead. But, those were special situations of teaching in the New Testament times before God's Written Word, the Bible, was finished. Today, the Bible is His full revelation to man.

So, Deeka, can you meet God today? Yes, absolutely. But, not in the cartoon way you implied in your less than sincere post. People meet God every day; we meet Him in spirit, for God is spirit -- and this is how we experience Him. On the other hand, believers experience God in a more unique way -- we have the Holy Spirit living within us. The moment a person turns from the world and turns to follow Jesus Christ, i.e., repents and asks Jesus to come into his/her life and to be his/her personal Lord and Savior -- the Holy Spirit indwells that person. Yes, the Holy Spirit, God, lives within each and every believer -- to guide us, to teach us, and to convict us when we do something which is displeasing to God. In this way, the Christian believer meets God 24/7/365 -- every day of his/her life.

Wouldn't you like to join this privileged group? It is very easy and simple. All you have to do is to sincerely pray and invite Jesus into your heart and into your life; confess and repent of your worldly life, and open the door of your heart to allow Him to come in (Revelation 3:20). He is always waiting; but, He will not open that door. YOU must open the door and invite Him in. If you do, He will never leave you -- and you will have His personal promise of eternal life with God (John 6:47).

Try it! You will like it!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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