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Many non-Christians do not believe or feel Christianity is under attack but for most Christians they don't have to have an event like that in Texas to understand that Christians, if not directly (as in Texas) but indirectly via our values and beliefs are, and have been, under attack for many years now.  

When my wife ask me who I thought would do such a thing I told her I felt it was a white man and that I believe, when it all comes out, that he will either be atheist or a Satanist.  In this shooter's case he was a militant atheist.  Now I don't make the same mistake or error some make by associating this individual with all atheist for that is not right or valid but I do believe that there are more just like him who easily could do something similar.  It's sad to say but today it has become necessary for many, if not all, Churches to take precautions and have some measure of security at their services. 

I do know that some of our local congregations have volunteers that specifically set outside the building or service just to keep an eye on the parking lots and I fully believe those people are armed or at least I hope they are.  Thankfully there was an armed citizen that was able to get in a good shot and bring an end to this killing.  I have no doubt, although it has not been stated, that the citizen must have got in an eventual kill shot himself that penetrated the body armor or struck the killer such that caused him to drop his weapon.  Those wishing for gun control would easily have taken the gun away from the law abiding citizen and the killer would have continued to kill not caring about laws.  There is a law against murder (murder is banned) but yet murders happen every day.  Drunk driving is banned/illegal yet many more innocent people are killed each year by drunk driving yet you don't have calls to ban and remove alcohol from the shelves of stores.  Neither will banning firearms stop this kind of killing.  

The reason for it was the evil hatred in this one individual's heart and mind and his choice of the Church was, I believe, his hatred for Christians and their belief along with this atheism.  Society is breeding type of individual with its teaching that life is of no special value, not created, but just an occurrence no more special than a roach scurrying across the floor.  Hatred is what caused this event to happen and it was easy for an atheist to target Christians but I still believe Christianity is under attack on a much wider scale and will continue to be, from secular Professors and Colleges to Politicians and many Judges to some atheist, Satanist and also from Muslims who specifically target Jews and Christians in many places around the World.  I also do not believe it will get better but far worse in the future days/years. 

Be as the Bereans ( Acts 17:11 )

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How is the war against Religion/Christianity different today compared
to say, the 1890's.? I see the people in themselves has turned it's back
to Religions on a global scale. Long story short, disregard religion to the
point of taking it out of your life and you take the one who brought you
to the dance in the first place out of your life's.
 
You'll more than likely miss your ride home and that safe path is
no longer there for you..... IMO
(we have allowed the coming consequences we are unaware) 
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When my wife ask me who I thought would do such a thing I told her I felt it was a white man and that I believe, when it all comes out, that he will either be atheist or a Satanist.  In this shooter's case he was a militant atheist.

So it never crossed your mind he could have been a christian as so many church shooters are? Or someone that had a grievance with someone in the church or the church itself? Again like in so many cases. Too, with not much being known it could very well still turn out that the shooter had a grudge against the church.

Thankfully there was an armed citizen that was able to get in a good shot and bring an end to this killing. 

Actually he was finished shooting and the citizen accosted him on his way out, so the citizen stopped nothing except the shooter's successful escape. The killing was done, although true, he could have been going somewhere else to continue the slaughter. So it was fortunate the citizen/citizens were there to follow him, and shoot him.

The reason for it was the evil hatred in this one individual's heart and mind and his choice of the Church was, I believe, his hatred for Christians and their belief along with this atheism. 

Hatred is what caused this event to happen and it was easy for an atheist to target Christians

You have zero proof of any hatred of christians he may have had. If you do, and it was reported somewhere, it is something I have missed. He seems to have had a troubled past that had nothing to do with his Atheism and all to do with our lax, judicial system, which I strongly believe has been crippled by Christians and liberals.

He has a criminal record related to domestic abuse, and people that knew him in school said he was always strange, and that can't be linked to Atheism. So many Christians perpetuate violence and murder against their husbands and wives and each other, plus Christians go into prisons and work for the criminals to get them off of even the most serious of crimes. Think karla faye tucker. One idiot "preacher" even married that monster, and the Christians wailed and begged to get her off of death row. I think execution was too good for her and it's a shame we can't dig her up and execute her again. Now think tex watson, the manson follower that murdered sharon tate and now has a prison ministry, and with the help of so called Christians,  makes all kinds of money. Right there is one reason to dislike Christians, wouldn't you agree?? Or the church that had a child molester and let him have weeks to keep preying on kids while they tried to cover their butts before they turned him in.

I told bill gray and others many times that they, by their actions as so called christians, were part of the reason for the very "war" you have going on. By insisting you be able to pray everywhere only opens the door for others to do the same, such as muzzies, satanists, and of course atheists. The statements of hatred for christians you claim atheists have is false too. I love the christians in my family, and my christian friends, as any other atheist I have ever met does. So, until everyone is dedicated to honest debate, and willing to admit that there is no one cause for most of these things, and that we have a common enemy nothing will ever be straightened out between the Atheists and Christians We will continue to close ranks and make war on each other while the muzzies and other thugs/foreign interests go about the business of taking over our country.

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The man suspected of killing at least 26 people in a Baptist church in a rural Texas had a "connection" to the establishment and the massacre was not a random act, the state's governor has said.

Greg Abbott told ABC's Good Morning America he expected people to learn about any such link "in a few days."

He said he didn't want to go further, saying "law enforcement is looking very aggressively into this."

"I don't think this was just a random act of violence," Mr Abbott told anchor George Stephanopoulos.

But when pressed to elaborate on his connection theory, the governor replied to say "it's very important that law enforcement have the ability... to tie the loose ends of this investigation up."

He called the man, identified by US media as Devin Patrick Kelley, "a very deranged individual."

Relatives of the gunman sometimes worshipped at the church where he opened fire, but were not there during Sunday's attack, Wilson County Sheriff Joe Tackitt Jr said.

"We know that his ex-in-laws or in-laws came to church here from time to time," Mr Tackitt Jr told CNN in an interview.

"They were not here yesterday."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/tex...m-act-132320825.html

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Zero proof he hated Christians?  All the proof in the world is there from the very testimony from those who knew him talking about his antichristian rants and preaching atheism.  How about seeking to Kill EVERYONE in the church, children included, people not even related to his in-laws.   His Mother in-law wasn't there but her mother was and was killed.  He was filled with hate but I have no doubts from that which has been revealed so far of his hatred for Christians.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/...ey-facebook-atheism/

Sure there is much killing and violence in the name of religion with Islam but other than long ago dark ages was there such with Christians and then it was only one section of Christians that was involved in that period of history.  So no it never crossed my mind that it might be one Christian with a beef for another because it wasn't one or two individuals that were killed it was killing of everyone in the church that he could get aim on.  

As for the neighbor who shot the man or exchanged gunfire with him I do believe he stopped more killing for the man had far more ammo and weapons at his disposal and chances are he had plans to take his killing spree to some place other than the church itself.  There isn't proof of that but there is enough there for suspect that it might have been the case.  I don't know the man to say he had a hatred for Christians but there was enough interviews posted with people that did have an acquaintance with him that said he had a definite hatred for Christians and that's good enough for me to accept at this time without conflicting evidence.  As for the rumors or speculation that he taught Bible school doesn't mean much as there are plenty of Ministers today that I suspect are not Christians (based upon their outward behaviors and signs) but still preach and are supported by a church.   In one anonymous survey taken of Southern Baptist Ministers at least two had confessed to being, or considering themselves, atheist but remained in the ministry because they considered it such an easy job and they pay was better than they could get at any other job.  

You don't go killing the whole congregation, kids and children too, if you have a beef or argument with one or two members of the Church.  He planned his attack for the time he did in order to kill as many Christians as he could.  As to whether or not he was planning to go into other Churches in the area we will never know because of the act of a citizen with a gun that put an end to it.  

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You just mostly regurgitated your first post, and didn't address anything else.

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Sure there is much killing and violence in the name of religion with Islam but other than long ago dark ages was there such with Christians and then it was only one section of Christians that was involved in that period of history.  So no it never crossed my mind that it might be one Christian with a beef for another because it wasn't one or two individuals that were killed it was killing of everyone in the church that he could get aim on.

I'm not talking about in the dark ages or islam. I'm talking about today and the way christians are killing each other and others, and how christians have run in to protect murderers and helped make our judicial system a joke. Another issue you skirted.

You don't go killing the whole congregation, kids and children too, if you have a beef or argument with one or two members of the Church.  He planned his attack for the time he did in order to kill as many Christians as he could.

Well, why didn't he kill everyone? He had the ammo and he was not having any trouble killing anyone. The authorities don't seem to think it was him wanting to kill "christians", and when it all comes to light most likely it will be that in his muddled mind he went looking for the ones he felt had messed him over, and that just may be the congregation of the church.

 but there was enough interviews posted with people that did have an acquaintance with him that said he had a definite hatred for Christians

I haven't seen anyone say that, and again, the authorities are leaning towards domestic problems in the family.

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gbrk posted:

Zero proof he hated Christians?  All the proof in the world is there from the very testimony from those who knew him talking about his antichristian rants and preaching atheism.  How about seeking to Kill EVERYONE in the church, children included, people not even related to his in-laws.   His Mother in-law wasn't there but her mother was and was killed.  He was filled with hate but I have no doubts from that which has been revealed so far of his hatred for Christians.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/...ey-facebook-atheism/

Sure there is much killing and violence in the name of religion with Islam but other than long ago dark ages was there such with Christians and then it was only one section of Christians that was involved in that period of history.  So no it never crossed my mind that it might be one Christian with a beef for another because it wasn't one or two individuals that were killed it was killing of everyone in the church that he could get aim on.  

As for the neighbor who shot the man or exchanged gunfire with him I do believe he stopped more killing for the man had far more ammo and weapons at his disposal and chances are he had plans to take his killing spree to some place other than the church itself.  There isn't proof of that but there is enough there for suspect that it might have been the case.  I don't know the man to say he had a hatred for Christians but there was enough interviews posted with people that did have an acquaintance with him that said he had a definite hatred for Christians and that's good enough for me to accept at this time without conflicting evidence.  As for the rumors or speculation that he taught Bible school doesn't mean much as there are plenty of Ministers today that I suspect are not Christians (based upon their outward behaviors and signs) but still preach and are supported by a church.   In one anonymous survey taken of Southern Baptist Ministers at least two had confessed to being, or considering themselves, atheist but remained in the ministry because they considered it such an easy job and they pay was better than they could get at any other job.  

You don't go killing the whole congregation, kids and children too, if you have a beef or argument with one or two members of the Church.  He planned his attack for the time he did in order to kill as many Christians as he could.  As to whether or not he was planning to go into other Churches in the area we will never know because of the act of a citizen with a gun that put an end to it.  

https://www.yahoo.com/news/tex...avior-181320568.html

giftedamateur posted:

"As to whether or not he was planning to go into other Churches in the area we will never know because of the act of a citizen with a gun that put an end to it".

He killed himself.

He may have fired the last fatal shot but from what I have read the local citizen that engaged him initially, upon his exit from the church, was able to land one at least one shot between his body armor, which most likely caused him to drop his rifle and run.  When he finally wrecked on the side of the road he used one of his pistols to end his own life but I doubt it would have come to that had he not been followed and finally trapped by the two men that chased him and the one that initially shot him.

As for his initial reason for choosing that church I agree it was due to his in-laws and his past experience with that Church but I have no doubt that the hatred in his heart for Christians led him to shoot the rest of the people in the congregation but if you and best wish to believe otherwise that is your own prerogative.  

As for the title "Christianity under attack" I stand by that and fully believe it is and no one has presented any evidence sufficient to convince me otherwise.

 

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