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church is SUPPOSED to be the house of God, a place that should be held in very high respect. Not for the reasons mentioned in article alone , but I do agree there should NOT be ballgame parties.
But then i do not believe in having make-up sales parties ,yard sales, etc at churches either. its not a market place. It certainly is not a sports arena!
Typical NFL greed. They can't stand someone watching their games and not giving them money for it. I think the church should just do it anyway, the potential headlines "NFL Sues Church" would be enough for them to think twice about coming after them.

I think a church Super Bowl party is a great idea. It's their church, if they want to have a party for the Super Bowl, more power to them.
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Originally posted by smurph:
church is SUPPOSED to be the house of God, a place that should be held in very high respect. Not for the reasons mentioned in article alone , but I do agree there should NOT be ballgame parties.
But then i do not believe in having make-up sales parties ,yard sales, etc at churches either. its not a market place. It certainly is not a sports arena!


John Lennon of the beatles said more people go to see the beatles than go to church, he was making a point! The media turn it around on him to say Lennon was saying the beatles was more popular than Jesus.Lennon told it like it was and they did not like it.this church should be soul saving not doing football.there is place and time for all things turn,turn,turn.
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Originally posted by Fighting Illini:
NFL stands for NO FUN LEAGUE. Are they going to have fun nazis visit everyone's church and home to make sure no one is breaking any of their laws. This is so ridiculous. If they can catch churches and peole breaking these laws we need to hire the NFL to seek out all of the illegal immigrants in this country.



You do have a point my friend!
I think that is a little silly. If a church wants to sponsor a football party, how much different is that than a bar sponsoring one?

I don't see a problem with it, myself. True enough a Church is a place of worship, but don't see what the big deal is. I think the NFL is being silly about it. Who cares how they are watching it, they are still getting ratings from it, and ratings = money. *shrugs*

~Manda~
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Originally posted by pba:
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Originally posted by smurph:
church is SUPPOSED to be the house of God, a place that should be held in very high respect. Not for the reasons mentioned in article alone , but I do agree there should NOT be ballgame parties.
But then i do not believe in having make-up sales parties ,yard sales, etc at churches either. its not a market place. It certainly is not a sports arena!


John Lennon of the beatles said more people go to see the beatles than go to church, he was making a point! The media turn it around on him to say Lennon was saying the beatles was more popular than Jesus.Lennon told it like it was and they did not like it.this church should be soul saving not doing football.there is place and time for all things turn,turn,turn.


Smurph and PBA, are you two serious? Almost every church in the Shoals area has either a gym or a recreational center attached to it. I've played basketball at several of these gyms at the churches. What in the world is wrong with sitting down with family and parishoners and enjoying the Super Bowl. The point of the church is to be a place for a group of people to worship and gather and become a small community, so to speak. They are not gambling or drinking.
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Originally posted by Fighting Illini:
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Originally posted by pba:
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Originally posted by smurph:
church is SUPPOSED to be the house of God, a place that should be held in very high respect. Not for the reasons mentioned in article alone , but I do agree there should NOT be ballgame parties.
But then i do not believe in having make-up sales parties ,yard sales, etc at churches either. its not a market place. It certainly is not a sports arena!


John Lennon of the beatles said more people go to see the beatles than go to church, he was making a point! The media turn it around on him to say Lennon was saying the beatles was more popular than Jesus.Lennon told it like it was and they did not like it.this church should be soul saving not doing football.there is place and time for all things turn,turn,turn.


Smurph and PBA, are you two serious? Almost every church in the Shoals area has either a gym or a recreational center attached to it. I've played basketball at several of these gyms at the churches. What in the world is wrong with sitting down with family and parishoners and enjoying the Super Bowl. The point of the church is to be a place for a group of people to worship and gather and become a small community, so to speak. They are not gambling or drinking.


The church has become a thing about money,it is sad that the only way we can get people to worship GOD is to offer them something to come to church. hey we got a gym. do we go to church to play ball or worship? church time is GOD'S time!! If you took away all this stuff churches offer today to get you there,then you would not have many in church,that is sad. people seem more into play at church then worship.
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Originally posted by smurph:
church is SUPPOSED to be the house of God, a place that should be held in very high respect. Not for the reasons mentioned in article alone , but I do agree there should NOT be ballgame parties.
But then i do not believe in having make-up sales parties ,yard sales, etc at churches either. its not a market place. It certainly is not a sports arena!


I agree!
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Originally posted by pba:
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Originally posted by Fighting Illini:
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Originally posted by pba:
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Originally posted by smurph:
church is SUPPOSED to be the house of God, a place that should be held in very high respect. Not for the reasons mentioned in article alone , but I do agree there should NOT be ballgame parties.
But then i do not believe in having make-up sales parties ,yard sales, etc at churches either. its not a market place. It certainly is not a sports arena!


John Lennon of the beatles said more people go to see the beatles than go to church, he was making a point! The media turn it around on him to say Lennon was saying the beatles was more popular than Jesus.Lennon told it like it was and they did not like it.this church should be soul saving not doing football.there is place and time for all things turn,turn,turn.


Smurph and PBA, are you two serious? Almost every church in the Shoals area has either a gym or a recreational center attached to it. I've played basketball at several of these gyms at the churches. What in the world is wrong with sitting down with family and parishoners and enjoying the Super Bowl. The point of the church is to be a place for a group of people to worship and gather and become a small community, so to speak. They are not gambling or drinking.


The church has become a thing about money,it is sad that the only way we can get people to worship GOD is to offer them something to come to church. hey we got a gym. do we go to church to play ball or worship? church time is GOD'S time!! If you took away all this stuff churches offer today to get you there,then you would not have many in church,that is sad. people seem more into play at church then worship.


Your answer astounds me, since when is going to church to meet with friends through various activities such a bad thing.

I think you would argue with yourself if this forum wasn't here. Lucky for you, I think people would gladly get in line to debate your opinions.

Just a quick question, would Tom Cruise happen to be your leader?
smart chick wrote:

Originally posted by that smart chick:
Lennon said that the Beatles were more popular that Jesus. And he apologized for his remark.

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Yes, you are absolutely right. Thanks for correcting the previous poster's comment. Further, I think Lennon's intention with his comment was widely misconstrued. He was trying to explain how it was strange that they were getting so much attention, so much fanfare, and how they were literally being idolized by so many. He realized they were just people. He later talked about getting tired of being a "performing flea." His statement was just sarcastic dry wit. In other words, why were people acting this way? He knew they were a great band, but they were just ordinary people. He apologized that everyone took it the wrong way. Just like in today's political world, his one sentence was pulled out of context and came across quite differently when a spin was put on it.

I'm sorry to digress. I just wanted to clarify that whole deal. Thanks.
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Originally posted by Fighting Illini:
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Originally posted by pba:
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Originally posted by Fighting Illini:
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Originally posted by pba:
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Originally posted by smurph:
church is SUPPOSED to be the house of God, a place that should be held in very high respect. Not for the reasons mentioned in article alone , but I do agree there should NOT be ballgame parties.
But then i do not believe in having make-up sales parties ,yard sales, etc at churches either. its not a market place. It certainly is not a sports arena!


John Lennon of the beatles said more people go to see the beatles than go to church, he was making a point! The media turn it around on him to say Lennon was saying the beatles was more popular than Jesus.Lennon told it like it was and they did not like it.this church should be soul saving not doing football.there is place and time for all things turn,turn,turn.


Smurph and PBA, are you two serious? Almost every church in the Shoals area has either a gym or a recreational center attached to it. I've played basketball at several of these gyms at the churches. What in the world is wrong with sitting down with family and parishoners and enjoying the Super Bowl. The point of the church is to be a place for a group of people to worship and gather and become a small community, so to speak. They are not gambling or drinking.


The church has become a thing about money,it is sad that the only way we can get people to worship GOD is to offer them something to come to church. hey we got a gym. do we go to church to play ball or worship? church time is GOD'S time!! If you took away all this stuff churches offer today to get you there,then you would not have many in church,that is sad. people seem more into play at church then worship.


Your answer astounds me, since when is going to church to meet with friends through various activities such a bad thing.

I think you would argue with yourself if this forum wasn't here. Lucky for you, I think people would gladly get in line to debate your opinions.

Just a quick question, would Tom Cruise happen to be your leader?


I see your point, please understand my point. here are some questions for you and please think about it before you answer. Is your gym only for members only? do you try to get new people in your church? would it matter to your church what kind of people came to your church as long as they were there to worship,playball. as you say, The point of the church is to be a place for a group of people to worship and gather and become a small community of what? where does God come in? I'am not trying to make you mad or anything like that,I just don't understand as to what has happen to our churches.maybe I am wrong,but I don't understand why it takes a gym,trips and so forth to get you in church to worship GOD. Tom Cruise does nothing for me at all.
Most churches start out small, agin members, and then build. If a church wants to grow it needs to meet the needs of the members. If they want a gym, they raise money for a gym. I believe these gyms and ohter things offered by the church are meant to help the members of the church interact with each other more and also to give the younger members a place to go where they can stay out of trouble.

Personally, I am not a member of any church here. I go to a small church that has none of these ammenities in a neighboring town. I have been invited by friends to use their gyms for games many times and they have always been very open and friendly to me, never trying to get me to join.

I am from the north and we went to church one day a week. Down here, the norm seems to be two days a week. There is plenty of time to pray, but that doesn't have to be the only thing a church offers.
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Originally posted by FatNoMo:
Did you hear about the church that has been forbidden by the NFL to have a Super Bowl party and show the game on a big screen TV?

Fall Creek article

The NFL is leagally correct (my opinion) if you have watched the superbowl on TV, there is a CLAIM OF RIGHTS PRESENTED AT THE BEGINNING, AND PERIODICALLY, PROHIBITING THE COMMERCIAL PRESENTATION OF THE BROADCAST WITHOUT PRIOR WRITTEN CONSENT OF THE NFL.

The game is protected by Copyright law.

All religious arguements aside, all freedom of religion arguements aside, The NFL owns the Super Bowl, the Name Super Bowl, The Game, and ALL the contents of the Telivised Game. THEY HAVE THE UNASSAILABLE RIGHT TO DICTATE WHERE AND HOW THAT GAME IS PRESENTED, AND THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO PROFIT FROM ANY PUBLIC SHOWING OF THE GAME, OR ANY PART OF THE GAME. If the Church wants to put on a football game and profit from it, let them get their OWN FOOTBALL GAME.
There was nothing mentioned about the church profiting from the game, just bringing money to buy snacks. The other main issue was the size of the screen. Every year millions of people gather in front of big screens larger than 55" and place side bets on the game and the NFL goes after a church.

That is about as pathetic as telling a one-legged man in a race that he took off before the gun went off. What a joke!
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Originally posted by NashBama:
Who said they were making a profit? There are plenty of bars that will be profiting from showing the game.

And? Does a bar violating copyright law justify a church, or movie theatre violating copyright law?

Nash, the layout and capaacity of a bar makes it unprofitable for the NFL to stop them. It is also beneficial to the NFL to have small groups coming together to watch the game...AND THE COMMERCIALS.
As for the wisdom of stopping the church presentation, you have to take that up with wise guys. I would think the advertisers on the Super Bowl would WANT large public showings, in a public showing, the commercials are not as easily ignored.
Here's the quote from the church's web site:

Fall Creek Baptist Church Family...

We regret to inform you that we have had to cancel our bash to view the Colts game this Sunday in a family friendly environment due to the fact that the NFL believes we would be in violation of the Copyright Act, because we had planned to show the game on a screen bigger than a 55 inch diagonal. We have appealed to their legal counsel and exhausted all options without success. We have been informed that the only exceptions to view the game are given to sports bars and restaurants. While we have argued that we only intend to provide a family oriented environment that will make no profit from the showing, the NFL claims that our event cannot proceed by law. Therefore, we have no choice but to challenge this in court or cancel the event. We choose to cancel the event. We deeply regret that we have been prohibited by the NFL from providing a family friendly environment for celebrating the Colts great season.
Pastor John
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And? Does a bar violating copyright law justify a church, or movie theatre violating copyright law?


The church is not in violation of copyright law. It's a public broadcast on public airwaves owned by the public. The church was not going to make a profit from hosting the viewing party. The NFL took issue with the church hosting the party. They didn't want to be associated with Christianity.

"we are consistent in refusing the use of our game broadcasts in connection with events that promote a message, no matter the content."

How much money from advertising does the NFL make? Isn't advertising promoting a message? I guess it's okay to promote a message to buy cheap, poorly made beer during the games. It's just not okay to let families gather together and enjoy the game at a church.
Nash Bama,
They don't have to be making a profit to be violating copyright. You seem to think that pirated cd's are "just fine" and China should be allowed to continue publishing books without paying license fees.

I am sensitive to this issue, I have family who are in the entertainment busienss, and I've been in it myself. It's hard to describe the Super Bowl as intellectual property, but it is. Intellectual property has value. That value belongs to the creator of the property, and it cannot be appropriated without consent of the owner. The players in the game are paid to play by the NFL. The NFL OWNS the game. No one has a right to appropriate the Game for their own use without the permission of the NFL. Doing it is a violation of copyright. JUST BECAUSE THE NFL ALLOWS SNOOKY'S SPORTS BAR TO APPROPRIATE THE GAME DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE REQUIRED TO ALLOW THE FIRST CHURCH OF HALF BACK THUMPERS THE SAME PRIVILEGE.
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Originally posted by just saying:
Looks like the church would just rent out about three 55 inch televisions and place them around the crowd. That way they could still have the party and be in the right.


ONLY if they did not charge admission, and only if in the normal course of business they served food and drinks and charged for the vittles.
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
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Originally posted by just saying:
Looks like the church would just rent out about three 55 inch televisions and place them around the crowd. That way they could still have the party and be in the right.


ONLY if they did not charge admission, and only if in the normal course of business they served food and drinks and charged for the vittles.


You can in most churches, count on one hand how many christians you have in each church. the bible says as much, They will be more people in hell then heaven. Thats not good. If we had as many christians that claimed to be, then the world would be more at peace.
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Originally posted by FatNoMo:
Here's the quote from the church's web site:

Fall Creek Baptist Church Family...

We regret to inform you that we have had to cancel our bash to view the Colts game this Sunday in a family friendly environment due to the fact that the NFL believes we would be in violation of the Copyright Act, because we had planned to show the game on a screen bigger than a 55 inch diagonal. We have appealed to their legal counsel and exhausted all options without success. We have been informed that the only exceptions to view the game are given to sports bars and restaurants. While we have argued that we only intend to provide a family oriented environment that will make no profit from the showing, the NFL claims that our event cannot proceed by law. Therefore, we have no choice but to challenge this in court or cancel the event. We choose to cancel the event. We deeply regret that we have been prohibited by the NFL from providing a family friendly environment for celebrating the Colts great season.
Pastor John


I am open to provide more reasons to oppose the NFL monopoly on professional football, as approved by federal legislation. But, if the monopoly hold the NFL has is broken, you might just get to see some REAL football, say at the college level.
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Originally posted by Fighting Illini:
There was nothing mentioned about the church profiting from the game, just bringing money to buy snacks. The other main issue was the size of the screen. Every year millions of people gather in front of big screens larger than 55" and place side bets on the game and the NFL goes after a church.

That is about as pathetic as telling a one-legged man in a race that he took off before the gun went off. What a joke!

I am open to provide more reasons to oppose the NFL monopoly on professional football, as approved by federal legislation. But, if the monopoly hold the NFL has is broken, you might just get to see some REAL football, say at the college level.
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Originally posted by pba:
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
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Originally posted by just saying:
Looks like the church would just rent out about three 55 inch televisions and place them around the crowd. That way they could still have the party and be in the right.


ONLY if they did not charge admission, and only if in the normal course of business they served food and drinks and charged for the vittles.


You can in most churches, count on one hand how many christians you have in each church. the bible says as much, They will be more people in hell then heaven. Thats not good. If we had as many christians that claimed to be, then the world would be more at peace.


In other words, only if the meet the criterion of the NFL...who OWN THE RIGHTS TO THE GAME.

I am open to provide more reasons to oppose the NFL monopoly on professional football, as approved by federal legislation. But, if the monopoly hold the NFL has is broken, you might just get to see some REAL football, say at the college level.
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
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Originally posted by pba:
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
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Originally posted by just saying:
Looks like the church would just rent out about three 55 inch televisions and place them around the crowd. That way they could still have the party and be in the right.


ONLY if they did not charge admission, and only if in the normal course of business they served food and drinks and charged for the vittles.


You can in most churches, count on one hand how many christians you have in each church. the bible says as much, They will be more people in hell then heaven. Thats not good. If we had as many christians that claimed to be, then the world would be more at peace.


In other words, only if the meet the criterion of the NFL...who OWN THE RIGHTS TO THE GAME.

I am open to provide more reasons to oppose the NFL monopoly on professional football, as approved by federal legislation. But, if the monopoly hold the NFL has is broken, you might just get to see some REAL football, say at the college level.



The so called Right Wing christian's will blame the liberals,democrats, the ACLU, and anybody else they don't like. I can hear it now, the NFL liberals knocked our church out of a big superbowl party and we had bets sold to raise money for our church, to add a swimming pool.

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