Bill and Hillary are reportedly using tax advantaged strategies used by multimillionaires.
Bill and Hillary Clinton are finding their way around an estate tax they have long supported, a cause they said would prevent the U.S. from being overrun by inherited wealth.
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"We don't pay taxes. Only the little people pay taxes."---Leona Helmsley
The elitist liberals have a different set of rules for themselves then they do for the "commoners".
I have always wondered why the elitist liberals that think the rich should pay more go to such great lengths to avoid paying more themselves? Hmmm....
Laws are for thee, not for me, saith the liberal. I consider the Clintons more grafters than liberals.
Can't be, only unpatriotic corporations like Walgreens seek to avoid paying taxes. This is obviously a GOP hatchet job.
liberals, the ultimate hypocrits!
lets see.. when a republican takes advantage of a 'tax loophole' it's good business.. when a democrat takes advantage of the same loophole, it's 'ultimate hypocrite'... rt. wingnut logic, you can just make it up as you go.
lets see.. when a republican takes advantage of a 'tax loophole' it's good business.. when a democrat takes advantage of the same loophole, it's 'ultimate hypocrite'... rt. wingnut logic, you can just make it up as you go.
You don't think its hypocritical for those that preach about the rich paying more to exploit loopholes in the tax code to pay less?
have you ever disagreed with or found any wrongdoing in a democrat's actions? I think you would sooner die than say anything bad about one of your beloved democrats. Lol
just admit the Clinton's are hypocrites and move on.
This really should not be a problem for them....I thought Hillary said they were broke????
lets see.. when a republican takes advantage of a 'tax loophole' it's good business.. when a democrat takes advantage of the same loophole, it's 'ultimate hypocrite'... rt. wingnut logic, you can just make it up as you go.
You don't think its hypocritical for those that preach about the rich paying more to exploit loopholes in the tax code to pay less?
have you ever disagreed with or found any wrongdoing in a democrat's actions? I think you would sooner die than say anything bad about one of your beloved democrats. Lol
just admit the Clinton's are hypocrites and move on.
I agree the problem is not that they are doing a trust, it is the fact that they are against them and other wealth protecting trusts for everyone else. Make no mistake this is exactly the strategy that Bill Gates and Warren Buffett are using to escape the taxes they want to raise and the rest of us to pay!!!
so, a hypocrite is someone who tries to change the system.. and when the change is 'blocked'.. they still take advantage of the system.. ok, i guess most republicans are hypocrites.. they rail against government programs.. and then take advantage of the programs? is that how it works?
So in your mind, it is okay for the Clintons to do something legal that you and every other liberal moan about the Koch brothers doing? No one said they broke a law or did something immoral, but if they think that it is wrong for other rich people to take advantage of the system, it is wrong for them. Is that easy enough for you to understand?
so, a hypocrite is someone who tries to change the system.. and when the change is 'blocked'.. they still take advantage of the system.. ok, i guess most republicans are hypocrites.. they rail against government programs.. and then take advantage of the programs? is that how it works?
Crash, stop deflecting. This thread isn't about repubs and govt programs. It is about the Clintons not wanting to pay their "fair share".
For once can you actually answer a question directly?
If the Clinton's and other rich dems think the wealthy have a moral obligation to pay more taxes then why don't they just pay more? Are you saying that they need a change in the tax code to do what is morally right?
why do you always answer a question, with a question? is it possible for you to see anything wrong with the republican party? do you ever disagree with the republicans? do you ever agree with the democrats? funny how i'm 'deflecting' simply because i asked a question!
seems strange that when a republican takes advantage of a loophole or govt. program, it's just good/smart business.. when a democrat does the same thing... they're low down dirty hypocrites.
why do you always answer a question, with a question? is it possible for you to see anything wrong with the republican party? do you ever disagree with the republicans? do you ever agree with the democrats? funny how i'm 'deflecting' simply because i asked a question!
seems strange that when a republican takes advantage of a loophole or govt. program, it's just good/smart business.. when a democrat does the same thing... they're low down dirty hypocrites.
I'm pro choice, pro gay marriage, anti Iraq war, and pro legalizing drugs. I also think our legal system is rigged and screws over poor people/minorities.
How is that for disagreeing with repubs?
now, are you going to answer the question about the Clinton's or are you going to answer with question and continue to deflect like you always do?
kenny... what part of 'my position' on the topic do you have a hard time understanding? i'm pretty sure i've made that clear, at least twice.
as long as the 'loophole' exists, as mitt romney said, 'no one should pay more than they have to'.. if you go back through my posts you see that i've been 'pro-tax reform' from day one! now, what's your question?
kenny... what part of 'my position' on the topic do you have a hard time understanding? i'm pretty sure i've made that clear, at least twice.
as long as the 'loophole' exists, as mitt romney said, 'no one should pay more than they have to'.. if you go back through my posts you see that i've been 'pro-tax reform' from day one! now, what's your question?
Not sure what mitt Romney has to do with this...
you are either a great troll or you arent very smart. I'll post my question again below(copied and pasted from above):
If the Clinton's and other rich dems think the wealthy have a moral obligation to pay more taxes then why don't they just pay more? Are you saying that they need a change in the tax code to do what is morally right?
kenny, you can't be this dim... if the loophole exists, i believe the clintons, and anyone else, should take advantage of it... i think the entire tax code needs to be updated. just because clinton wanted to do away with the break, doesn't mean he shouldn't be allowed to use it.. what sense does that make? so, no republican should be able to get an increase in minimum wage? they're against it, so they should NOT take advantage of it.. they should just donate the increased income to the company. otherwise, they're low down dirty hypocrites. right?
Just like they p*** and moan about the Koch brothers and never have word one to say about George soros.
kenny, you can't be this dim... if the loophole exists, i believe the clintons, and anyone else, should take advantage of it... i think the entire tax code needs to be updated. just because clinton wanted to do away with the break, doesn't mean he shouldn't be allowed to use it.. what sense does that make? so, no republican should be able to get an increase in minimum wage? they're against it, so they should NOT take advantage of it.. they should just donate the increased income to the company. otherwise, they're low down dirty hypocrites. right?
MOST liberals believe that paying more in taxes is a MORAL obligation to society. If it is a MORAL obligation then why do they need a change in the tax code to pay more taxes? Why go to such lengths to avoid doing what is MORALLY right?
If you want to discuss min wage you should start a thread about it because it has nothing to do with the OP's post...
bahahahahaha! it's called an 'analogy'. i'd have ignored it too, if it ruined my entire argument. 
bahahahahaha! it's called an 'analogy'. i'd have ignored it too, if it ruined my entire argument.
So once again, no question answered....
bahahahahaha! it's called an 'analogy'. i'd have ignored it too, if it ruined my entire argument.
You also clearly do not understand what a hypocrite is. Clinton and the other elitist liberals that use these tax loopholes they say are immoral and unjust are hypocrites.
however, we know that as a kool aid drinking democrat you would never say anything bad about or disagree with a democrat politician. LOL
kenny, can you show me where a 'democrat' said paying more taxes was a 'moral obligation'? i can't seem to find that?
kenny, can you show me where a 'democrat' said paying more taxes was a 'moral obligation'? i can't seem to find that?
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California Governor Jerry Brown thinks so. Under Prop. 30, the two-time Democratic governor is calling for a 3% tax hike on the state's richest 1% to help pay for the cash-strapped state's education system.
"It takes a refined theory to say to billionaires that it's easier to take three weeks of school away from kids in Los Angeles than it is to take 3% away from people who make hundreds of millions of dollars a year," said Brown in an interview with The Financial Times.
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Prop. 30 calls for a sales tax increase and staggered tax increases over seven years for individuals making $250,000 and families earning $500,000 or more.
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To further promote Prop. 30 and appeal to religious voters, Brown cited the Bible. "Luke 12:48 says: 'For those of whom much has been given, much is required.' Those at the high end can brace themselves for seven years and lend school kids a helping hand. I appeal to their sense of loyalty and fairness," he told the FT.
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kenny, i see where the writer of the article believes democrats think it's a 'moral obligation'.. i see where a governor is trying to raise taxes in his state.. i don't see anyone saying 'it's a moral obligation' except for the writer? i see where the governor called for a sense of 'loyalty and fairness' from the people of his state? is that a 'moral obligation'? that's open for interpretation.
kenny, i see where the writer of the article believes democrats think it's a 'moral obligation'.. i see where a governor is trying to raise taxes in his state.. i don't see anyone saying 'it's a moral obligation' except for the writer? i see where the governor called for a sense of 'loyalty and fairness' from the people of his state? is that a 'moral obligation'? that's open for interpretation.
You don't think quoting a bible verse as justification is justifying more taxes as a moral obligation? Your defense of all things democrat is comical.
Brown cited the Bible. "Luke 12:48 says: 'For those of whom much has been given, much is required.'
well, kenny, since reagan used jesus to get elected, religion has become a useful tool in politics. i can't seem to find a topic in which the republicans are considered 'low down dirty hypocrites' for doing that? can you find any?
well, kenny, since reagan used jesus to get elected, religion has become a useful tool in politics. i can't seem to find a topic in which the republicans are considered 'low down dirty hypocrites' for doing that? can you find any?
Once again, your response for the elitist dems being hypocrites is to say "repubs are hypocrites too".
you just can't bring yourself to speak bad about your beloved democrats. Lol
no , kenny. i just find hypocrisy to include people singling out one political party for doing the exact same thing as the other political party.. because of their personal beliefs.
no , kenny. i just find hypocrisy to include people singling out one political party for doing the exact same thing as the other political party.. because of their personal beliefs.
Yes, the wealthy members of both parties may be doing the "exact same thing" in using these loopholes but only the dems are the ones saying how unjust it is that these loopholes exist. Yet, they use them. In this instance the dems the hypocrites, crash.
im sure there are many things where the repubs are the hypocrites and if you would like to discuss them then you should start another thread becaue that is not what this thread is about.
bahahahaha! you're pretty funny, kenny... showing both parties err in the same fashion is in line with this thread. why would i need to 'start a new topic'? you sure have a funny way of determining what's pertinent in a thread and what's not? using religion to defend an issue has become the norm.. would it not be hypocritical to ignore that fact in a topic devoted to just such a notion?
bahahahaha! you're pretty funny, kenny... showing both parties err in the same fashion is in line with this thread. why would i need to 'start a new topic'? you sure have a funny way of determining what's pertinent in a thread and what's not? using religion to defend an issue has become the norm.. would it not be hypocritical to ignore that fact in a topic devoted to just such a notion?
So do you think that the dems that say they are against these loopholes yet use them are hypocrites? Yes or no?
no, kenny.. for about the 200th time.. what part of that is so hard for you to understand? do you think the republicans who take advantage of a higher minimum wage are hypocrites?
no, kenny.. for about the 200th time.. what part of that is so hard for you to understand? do you think the republicans who take advantage of a higher minimum wage are hypocrites?
Republicans that make minimum wage probably aren't politicians setting policy. That would be the big hole in your analogy.
a better example would be a repub that runs on a platform of being pro life and then it comes out that he coerced his mistress into having an abortion. That would be a hypocrite to me but under your rules it would not be.
kenny, i don't consider a tax loophole a 'moral dilemma'... you might find some who'd argue abortion is a moral choice. i'd say your analogy was slightly skewed.
kenny, i don't consider a tax loophole a 'moral dilemma'... you might find some who'd argue abortion is a moral choice. i'd say your analogy was slightly skewed.
You would also find some that do not think abortion has anything to do with morality and everything to do with a woman's right to choose.
i guess you and I just have different definitions of what a hypocrite is...
