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CNN's Impeachment 'Reality Check' Needs Fact Check

3/30/07

On March 26, CNN's Situation Room program presented a "reality check" of discussions of impeaching George W. Bush. Reporter Carol Costello concluded, "To sum it up, the only way President Bush can be impeached is if he violates the law." But that summary is misleading.
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Let's be realistic -- what would be gained by impeaching (and convicting) Mr. Bush?

President Cheney?!?!?

The Republican-led House of Representatives looked like a bunch of boobs with the Clinton impeachment (which didn't even garner a simple majority in the Senate; hardly "Profiles in Courage" stuff). The same thing would happen here.

Besides, by the time it wrapped up, we'd have a new President elected anyway.
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Originally posted by walter096:
just to set the record straight...Clinton WAS impeached in the House...this will always be in the history books..as it should be...he was not convicted in the Senate..big mistake..he lied before a Grand Jury..known fact..



And Bush stands on National Television in front of MILLIONs if not BILLIONs of people and lies... MANY MANY lies... in that respect, it will also be in history books of him being the "President who told the MOST LIES"... lol..

But anyway, point at hand... I am not a Bush fan, but I DO NOT think that Impeachment is an option now... It would cost too much, take too much time... and it would make Cheney even MORE in charge... I would rather leave it the way it is than open THAT can of worms....
pba:

The media is looking out for Bush!

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Yes, once again the media is covering for Bush. They should have questioned his nonsense about Saddam having WMD when he was making these stupid claims like the progressive and world press was but they never did and they have never held him accountable for his lies either.

Both Bush and Cheney lied to congress and the nation about WMD and the war. Bush lied about Saddam trying to buy uranium from Niger when he was told the evidence was a forgery. The Downing Street Memo also exposed that "the facts were being fixed to fit the policy". Lying to start a war is also something that harms the country and could be considered an act of treason.

He and Cheney should have also been held accountable for their failures regarding the 9/11 attacks and shamed out of office.

Both Bush and Cheney have committed impeachable offense's. There is evidence that they are both implicated in the releasing of Plame's name, a political act of revenge, and then instituted a cover up. A real act of Treason.

They are both responsible for overseeing that prisoners of war were tortured and some died. A violation of a US law and the Geneva Convention.

Bush has also admitted that he authorized wire taps without court approval, a federal crime.

Former Federal Prosecutor Elizabeth de la Vega has written that his abuse of signing statements are also an abuse of power. Others have stated that Impeachment can be started if a president abuses his power.

The media should be examining this evidence and debating while congress acts upon these crimes. Instead the media keeps us distracted with nonsense about personalities and triva and congress is to timid and beholding to their corporate under writers to act.

More people support the impeachment of Bush then supported the impeachment of Clinton and the people need to demand that our media and congress do their jobs.
Excerpt:

CNN's Impeachment 'Reality Check' Needs Fact Check

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3077

"As the American Bar Association explains on its website, "What precisely constitutes 'high crimes and misdemeanors' is... uncertain because the courts have not specifically defined or interpreted the term, unlike other constitutional clauses." The ABA adds that "many experts agree that there are different standards for impeachable and criminal conduct."
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Originally posted by Pogo142:
pba:

The media is looking out for Bush!

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Yes, once again the media is covering for Bush. They should have questioned his nonsense about Saddam having WMD when he was making these stupid claims like the progressive and world press was but they never did and they have never held him accountable for his lies either.

Both Bush and Cheney lied to congress and the nation about WMD and the war. Bush lied about Saddam trying to buy uranium from Niger when he was told the evidence was a forgery. The Downing Street Memo also exposed that "the facts were being fixed to fit the policy". Lying to start a war is also something that harms the country and could be considered an act of treason.

He and Cheney should have also been held accountable for their failures regarding the 9/11 attacks and shamed out of office.

Both Bush and Cheney have committed impeachable offense's. There is evidence that they are both implicated in the releasing of Plame's name, a political act of revenge, and then instituted a cover up. A real act of Treason.

They are both responsible for overseeing that prisoners of war were tortured and some died. A violation of a US law and the Geneva Convention.

Bush has also admitted that he authorized wire taps without court approval, a federal crime.

Former Federal Prosecutor Elizabeth de la Vega has written that his abuse of signing statements are also an abuse of power. Others have stated that Impeachment can be started if a president abuses his power.

The media should be examining this evidence and debating while congress acts upon these crimes. Instead the media keeps us distracted with nonsense about personalities and triva and congress is to timid and beholding to their corporate under writers to act.

More people support the impeachment of Bush then supported the impeachment of Clinton and the people need to demand that our media and congress do their jobs.


His ORIGINAL CAUSE of WMD was just a cover up for Bin Ladin, so Americans would forget him, and move on to something bigger, better, and more profitable for the FAT CATS up there.... Sad that so many buy into his lies without batting an eye, or even questioning it, ...

HEY, 9/11 devastated this country, millions of tears flowed for a very long time over that day... and Bin Ladin took responsibility... we went after him, for a couple months... THEN, we shifted gears, and everyone has been acclimated to FORGET him and his crew!!!!

Saddam is dead... As horrible a person that he was, his country and his CULTURE and the CULTURE of his country actually know NO OTHER LIFE... and we will never be able to change that.

Leaving Bin Ladin alone, and moving directions opened a can of worms that no one knew just how many worms were in the bottom... it is a bottomless pit of worms, and we can never get them all... because we do not KNOW who they are...

I would change my respect factors IF Bush changed the COURSES back to getting Bin Ladin once again, and leaving Iraq to their new found democracy.... THAT is what we need to do, before we loose one more Soldier to that mess over there...

BIN LADIN... anyone remember him?? Does anyone remember back when we were NOT in war, and we felt safe???? Well, I hope that EVERYONE remembers that Bin Ladin is still out there, and there is NO telling how many "sleeper cells" he has sitting right here in the USA..

Things are just WAY out of hand, and I don't think Bush or Cheney has a clue on even HOW to fix it.
Kindred_Spirit

His ORIGINAL CAUSE of WMD was just a cover up for Bin Ladin, so Americans would forget him, and move on to something bigger, better, and more profitable for the FAT CATS up there.... Sad that so many buy into his lies without batting an eye, or even questioning it, ...

HEY, 9/11 devastated this country, millions of tears flowed for a very long time over that day... and Bin Ladin took responsibility... we went after him, for a couple months... THEN, we shifted gears, and everyone has been acclimated to FORGET him and his crew!!!!

Saddam is dead... As horrible a person that he was, his country and his CULTURE and the CULTURE of his country actually know NO OTHER LIFE... and we will never be able to change that.

Leaving Bin Ladin alone, and moving directions opened a can of worms that no one knew just how many worms were in the bottom... it is a bottomless pit of worms, and we can never get them all... because we do not KNOW who they are...

I would change my respect factors IF Bush changed the COURSES back to getting Bin Ladin once again, and leaving Iraq to their new found democracy.... THAT is what we need to do, before we loose one more Soldier to that mess over there...

BIN LADIN... anyone remember him?? Does anyone remember back when we were NOT in war, and we felt safe???? Well, I hope that EVERYONE remembers that Bin Ladin is still out there, and there is NO telling how many "sleeper cells" he has sitting right here in the USA..

Things are just WAY out of hand, and I don't think Bush or Cheney has a clue on even HOW to fix it.

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His original cause was always to invade Iraq for the oil. Former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neil wrote that from day one Bush was looking for ways to invade Iraq. Richard Clarke wrote the same thing. The PNAC had written about "asserting" America's military might in the region to control the oil to secure energy supplies. Bin Laden gave him the excuse he was looking for. Had Saddam privatize his oil and allowed the US to establish bases in Iraq he would still be in power today.

The American people look to their media for information and they were lied to by their government and media. It's the media's job to not only report the news but analyze it.
Main stream media never questioned Bush but acted like cheerleaders for the invasion. They even changed reasons without batting an eye every time Bush changed the reasons. They have never held him accountable either.

The progressive press did question and put forth great analyses on why Bush was wrong. I have followed the news for 35 years and I knew they were lying. Iraq was a crippled country under the sanctions and there were a number of Mideast experts and journalists like Scott Ritter, Hans Blix, Noam Chomsky, Tarqi Ali who were doubting this story. They all said let inspections continue but Bush Knew there were no WMD and invaded. It's about controlling the oil and the latest bill in the Iraq is to privatize the oil to US oil companies. It's what it's all about and the media never tells you. They keep us distracted with nonsense and lies. They are just huge corporations themselves.

The media downplayed the Downing Street Memo, notes from a meeting of British inteligence in which they state "The facts are being fixed for the policy."

They now down play impeachment of Bush and the people follow.

Excerpt:

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=90&ItemID=7799

by Greg Palast May 05, 2005

"A conspiracy to commit serial fraud is, under federal law, racketeering. However, the Mob's schemes never cost so many lives.

"Here's more. "Bush had made up his mind to take military action. But the case was thin. Saddam was not threatening his neighbors, and his WMD capability was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran."

Pogo
pba

Does any one agree that the Bush Family had ties to Hitler?[/quote]
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They certianly both have a lot in common. Both attacking weaker countries on lies as they spy on their citizens and pass laws that OK torture.
Bush has "suspects" kiddnapped and sent off to secret prisons to be tortured.

Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush, did business with the Nazi's. They don't care how many people die, on either side, profits are all they are concerned about.

Meanwhile the meia down plays and misinforms the people about impeachment.

More people support the impeachment of Bush then supported the impechmnet of Clinton yet the media gave us 24/7 on Clinton and Monica, "stained dresses and all, and ignore the evidence on Bush. It was called "Monica TV.

Who has done more harm to the country, Clinton's private sexual affairs or Bush's lies and wars? Not counting his disregard for our own laws.
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Originally posted by jagorham:
Let's be realistic -- what would be gained by impeaching (and convicting) Mr. Bush?

President Cheney?!?!?

The Republican-led House of Representatives looked like a bunch of boobs with the Clinton impeachment (which didn't even garner a simple majority in the Senate; hardly "Profiles in Courage" stuff). The same thing would happen here.

Besides, by the time it wrapped up, we'd have a new President elected anyway.
How about the plan put forward by several organized movements for impeachment, TAKE BOTH Bush and Cheney out of office. This is but one of them. http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/
Removing both from office simultaneously would make House Speaker Nancy Pelosi MADAME President.
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Originally posted by Pogo142:
pba:

The media is looking out for Bush!

________________________________________________________________________________________________

Yes, once again the media is covering for Bush. They should have questioned his nonsense about Saddam having WMD when he was making these stupid claims like the progressive and world press was but they never did and they have never held him accountable for his lies either.

Both Bush and Cheney lied to congress and the nation about WMD and the war. Bush lied about Saddam trying to buy uranium from Niger when he was told the evidence was a forgery. The Downing Street Memo also exposed that "the facts were being fixed to fit the policy". Lying to start a war is also something that harms the country and could be considered an act of treason.

He and Cheney should have also been held accountable for their failures regarding the 9/11 attacks and shamed out of office.

Both Bush and Cheney have committed impeachable offense's. There is evidence that they are both implicated in the releasing of Plame's name, a political act of revenge, and then instituted a cover up. A real act of Treason.

They are both responsible for overseeing that prisoners of war were tortured and some died. A violation of a US law and the Geneva Convention.

Bush has also admitted that he authorized wire taps without court approval, a federal crime.

Former Federal Prosecutor Elizabeth de la Vega has written that his abuse of signing statements are also an abuse of power. Others have stated that Impeachment can be started if a president abuses his power.

The media should be examining this evidence and debating while congress acts upon these crimes. Instead the media keeps us distracted with nonsense about personalities and triva and congress is to timid and beholding to their corporate under writers to act.

More people support the impeachment of Bush then supported the impeachment of Clinton and the people need to demand that our media and congress do their jobs.


You are never going to get beyond the lie that "bush and cheney have been implicated in the releasing of Plame's name", are you?
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Originally posted by pba:
CNN has said they want to be more like FOX. They already are pretty far right (Conservative Network News) and want to go further.

I'm never surprised when they come up with a Bush saving idea.


Only a kook fringe liberal would believe that CNN is in ANY way right leaning. You are more out there than I thought PBA.
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Originally posted by pba:
Does any one agree that the Bush Family had ties to Hitler?


I am not sure about Hitler, but at one time Prescott was in business with Saddam and Family as well as Bin Ladin and Family.... THAT is enough to make me wonder why the world flipped-flopped instead of "STAYING THE COURSE ON BIN LADIN"...
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
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Originally posted by pba:
CNN has said they want to be more like FOX. They already are pretty far right (Conservative Network News) and want to go further.

I'm never surprised when they come up with a Bush saving idea.


Only a kook fringe liberal would believe that CNN is in ANY way right leaning. You are more out there than I thought PBA.


Only a kook conservative who has STRICT beliefs condones the behavior of what another conservative who has blood on the brain!!!! What better kook can ya be than that?
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
quote:
Originally posted by Pogo142:
pba:

The media is looking out for Bush!

________________________________________________________________________________________________

Yes, once again the media is covering for Bush. They should have questioned his nonsense about Saddam having WMD when he was making these stupid claims like the progressive and world press was but they never did and they have never held him accountable for his lies either.

Both Bush and Cheney lied to congress and the nation about WMD and the war. Bush lied about Saddam trying to buy uranium from Niger when he was told the evidence was a forgery. The Downing Street Memo also exposed that "the facts were being fixed to fit the policy". Lying to start a war is also something that harms the country and could be considered an act of treason.

He and Cheney should have also been held accountable for their failures regarding the 9/11 attacks and shamed out of office.

Both Bush and Cheney have committed impeachable offense's. There is evidence that they are both implicated in the releasing of Plame's name, a political act of revenge, and then instituted a cover up. A real act of Treason.

They are both responsible for overseeing that prisoners of war were tortured and some died. A violation of a US law and the Geneva Convention.

Bush has also admitted that he authorized wire taps without court approval, a federal crime.

Former Federal Prosecutor Elizabeth de la Vega has written that his abuse of signing statements are also an abuse of power. Others have stated that Impeachment can be started if a president abuses his power.

The media should be examining this evidence and debating while congress acts upon these crimes. Instead the media keeps us distracted with nonsense about personalities and triva and congress is to timid and beholding to their corporate under writers to act.

More people support the impeachment of Bush then supported the impeachment of Clinton and the people need to demand that our media and congress do their jobs.


You are never going to get beyond the lie that "bush and cheney have been implicated in the releasing of Plame's name", are you?



LOL!!! SP, I sincerely HOPE you are VERY young, otherwise your lack of being able to understand what is going on in the world is just YOU. Youth, at least, IS an excuse for lack of knowledge!! Big Grin
No KS, I am not very young. What I have done is grow up to the point where I can think for and care for myself. I don't need the gov't to take care of me and I don't need to use the kos talking points to speak for me. I can go out and get the info myself. I will then evaluate it for what it is worth and state my opinion based off the information. As the old saying goes:
If you are not a liberal when you are young you have no heart but if you are not conservative when you are older you have no brain.

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