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Hell no! I lost my full-time job in December of 2010.  I have (3) undergraduate degrees and a Masters. I have only been able to find part-time or temporary work in my field.  My unemployment benefits have been exhausted.  Thank God my house and vehicles are paid for.

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Well, I told my story in another thread, but instead of getting political here and now, I have been where you are and I will offer some advise. Take it or leave it, I offer it for free.

 

During the Reagan recession, I lost my job of 20 years. Fourteen of us were "downsized" that day.

Right at first, I didn't think there would be a  problem, and I scored a job interview with a bank in Miami. Actually got an offer, but my wife was totally opposed to moving to Miami where she said she "didn't even speak the language"/

So I sent out my resume and since it was early summer, lay out and worked on my tan.

Nothing happened, and I decided , since I really didn't have any savings to amount to anything, to take a job as a laborer - non union- for min, wage, no benefits. Spent most of that time running a jack hammer. People I worked with were ok, but all were looking for a better job, most thinking a dollar an hour more would be great. I also noticed that during this time, I had stopped looking for better employment myself, just too damm tired at the end of the day to bother. After some consideration, I decided to quit that job and go back to looking for a "real" job. 

Went to the largest employer in my field in the country and found out they had just the past month laid off 20,000 people nation wide, and that people with 20 years experience were waiting to be next.

Finally scored a job with a Dallas based company in my field but it was just for a period of time to get a specific contract done, then laid off again. Immediately got an offer for a job with a small business owner as operations manager, but after a short time, I found I hated the job, and had no respect for the boss/owner. So , I left that job.

All the while I was with the latter two companies I kept working on finding a real job. Finally, got the offer to come to TVA, and stayed there until I retired. HOWEVER, in the two weeks AFTER I had accepted the job at TVA (the one I really , really wanted), I had 3 more job offers, one in Nashville, one in Tupelo, and one in Memphis.

I went thru all that hopefully to encourage you and to give the following advise : Don't stop looking for work in your chosen field, Opposed to right wingnut hollering, don't take some job flipping burgers, or pickin' taters. These min wage jobs are hard work, and while there is nothing wrong with that, at the end of the day you just won't put much effort into finding a real job.

Also, I don't know what your field is, but for people with college degrees , the unemployment rate nationwide is 4%, so you should be able to score a real job somewhere, but you may have to move.

I've been where you are, took me a year and 3 months , but I came out on top.
I know you will also, just hang in there.

Originally Posted by unclegus:

 Don't forget after 8 years of what Bush took us through, it will be a long time before we can be to where we was when he(Bush) was handed. I cannot believe how you can blame this mess on Obama!

Yea, Bush spent too much $.  O'Bama has taken spending to incredible highs. He's not spending like a drunken sailor, he's spending like a stoned rap star.

 

Only ones getting rich now are O'Bama supporters, who are getting all the government contracts.

 

The truth's coming out on how O'Bama manages the White House.  I consider Bill Dailey (ex-Chicago mayor) to be a triple tough personality, but even he couldn't stand up to O'Bama's ear--Valerie Jarrett.  He bolted Washington to go home to Chicago.

 

Now, we're in a turning point in modern civilization.  Unless changes in entitlement spending are made immediately, we're dead ducks financially speaking.   You can forget building a retirement investment portfolio with zero interest rates and the future of the stock market in doubt if the U.S. goes bankrupt.

 

And, printing $ just brings inflation.  Do you want to return to the Jimmy Carter days, just wait to see what O'Bama has in store for your paycheck.

 

I just hope you have a good food plot, because you may be existing on food you've grown and Alpo in the coming years.

 

 

No, I was in a lot better shape in 2008. My life turn upside down in 2010 when my illness came out of remission and I was in the hospital for 3 weeks and rehab for 3 months. I had to give up my job, had to give up my apartment and had to have a feeding tube. The last few years have been difficult for me. It was a tragady that I dreaded but knew it would come. Good thing that I paid off my car while I was working. I hope someday to return to work and start over again, for I am one of those disable people that so many are talking about. I hate it and want to get better and go back to work,because I made better working than on disiability.

God continues to meet all my needs, and i am very grateful for that. Thank God my house and car are paid off, and i am out of debt (haven't used credit cards in over 20yrs)..But i am certainly not better off than i was in 2008. My finances have been stretched to the limit, just paying the normal cost of living every month. I have cut back on everything. I ration my gas, and can't afford many of the foods i used to enjoy. Going to movies, shopping, weekend's eating out, etc, are no longer in my budget. An occasional 'day trip' and vacations are now beyond my reach. These are just a few of the things i 'used to have'...

 

Which president did/didn't cause my financial woes??! makes no difference to me now, but i know i am ready  for GOOD change in the White House. There's no more time for me to waste. I'm not sure i'll survive 4 more years of the same 'leadership' we have now.

 

But more importantly than any of that, is the fact that i support the laws of the land until they overstep God's laws. i will never vote for ANYone who supports the murder of unborn children, same-sex marriage, 'apologizes' for America, and believes we aren't even a Christian nation any more. I will not stand before God in judgement trying to explain why the rest of Obama's plan overshadows those issues, and makes it 'worth' my vote. There can be no compromise for me, the 'cost' is too great.

 

No debate on it. We all have our opinion, and that's mine. 

Originally Posted by skippy delepepper:

         

          Confession time: ARE YOU BETTER OFF now than in 2008?

          Absolutely Not!


           Here's the typical person who knows they are.

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Skippy

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Thing is, that statement is correct. Obama is the lowest spendin president since Ike, Clinton balanced the budget and had a surplus. 

What part of that is not fiscal responsibility?

.

Originally Posted by thehippiegirl is gone.:

God continues to meet all my needs, and i am very grateful for that. Thank God my house and car are paid off, and i am out of debt (haven't used credit cards in over 20yrs)..But i am certainly not better off than i was in 2008. My finances have been stretched to the limit, just paying the normal cost of living every month. I have cut back on everything. I ration my gas, and can't afford many of the foods i used to enjoy. Going to movies, shopping, weekend's eating out, etc, are no longer in my budget. An occasional 'day trip' and vacations are now beyond my reach. These are just a few of the things i 'used to have'...

 

Which president did/didn't cause my financial woes??! makes no difference to me now, but i know i am ready  for GOOD change in the White House. There's no more time for me to waste. I'm not sure i'll survive 4 more years of the same 'leadership' we have now.

 

But more importantly than any of that, is the fact that i support the laws of the land until they overstep God's laws. i will never vote for ANYone who supports the murder of unborn children, same-sex marriage, 'apologizes' for America, and believes we aren't even a Christian nation any more. I will not stand before God in judgement trying to explain why the rest of Obama's plan overshadows those issues, and makes it 'worth' my vote. There can be no compromise for me, the 'cost' is too great.

 

No debate on it. We all have our opinion, and that's mine. 

No, it does not matter who was president for me, no man can give me my health back. I have had to cut back on everything I can, I fill up with gas once a month and it has to last me and just about the only place I go is the doctors. If I use a credit card it isn't for much and I pay it all when I get the statement. I am not married and its gets scary out here in this world with everything that is going on. But God will continue to meet my needs and my prayers calm me down when it gets too bad. You might as well get ready to vote about the gay marriages, it's on the agenda. I do not believe in nothing that has anything to do with the gays. I do not believe they should adopt children or marry. God put on this earth woman for man.  It look so nasty to see two men or two women walking down the street holding hands or kissing. No, I do not believe in killing unborn children. 

Originally Posted by thehippiegirl is gone.:

God continues to meet all my needs, and i am very grateful for that. Thank God my house and car are paid off, and i am out of debt (haven't used credit cards in over 20yrs)..But i am certainly not better off than i was in 2008. My finances have been stretched to the limit, just paying the normal cost of living every month. I have cut back on everything. I ration my gas, and can't afford many of the foods i used to enjoy. Going to movies, shopping, weekend's eating out, etc, are no longer in my budget. An occasional 'day trip' and vacations are now beyond my reach. These are just a few of the things i 'used to have'...

 

Which president did/didn't cause my financial woes??! makes no difference to me now, but i know i am ready  for GOOD change in the White House. There's no more time for me to waste. I'm not sure i'll survive 4 more years of the same 'leadership' we have now.

 

But more importantly than any of that, is the fact that i support the laws of the land until they overstep God's laws. i will never vote for ANYone who supports the murder of unborn children, same-sex marriage, 'apologizes' for America, and believes we aren't even a Christian nation any more. I will not stand before God in judgement trying to explain why the rest of Obama's plan overshadows those issues, and makes it 'worth' my vote. There can be no compromise for me, the 'cost' is too great.

 

No debate on it. We all have our opinion, and that's mine. 


AMEN! I don't vote 'party'....I vote 'person'. And I am NOT happy with the person in the WH now.

Yes! We are better off than we were 4 years ago. My husband was working for a company that was starting to lay off employees and outsourcing those positions to China and India. He knew his number was coming up so he started looking for another job. It took about 8 months but he found a better job and is now making quite a bit more than he was then. Both of my son's have started their own businesses in the last 2 years and are doing great. My brother in law that had been out of work for almost a year finally found a job in his field and is doing much better. There is no one in my family (which is large) that is unemployed or in danger of loosing their home anymore.

 

So I say again YES!

i'm certainly better off... sales, at my company, up about 60% over the past two years. things are going great and sales are still on the increase. i didn't worry about the economy, i just kept my head down and kept working, when the dust settled, i was in great shape. so, again, i say: yes, i'm much better off than i was 4 years ago.

 

just for the rt. wingnut sake of it, i'm not an illegal immigrant, welfare recipient, part of a labor union, unemployed, a major campaign donor or gay! just a hard working american.

Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:
Originally Posted by Kenny Powers:

I am better off now than I was 4 years ago. I took the initiative and busted my ***. Hence, I have tripled my income over the last 4 years. 

 

For the record, I will be voting for Gary Johnson.

But, according to 'you didn't build that B.O.'...your success IS NOT due to YOUR working your ass off.

______________________________________

 

and there we have it... more wingnut propaganda....here is the quote, in context. so, hard work and initiative do seem to pay off! keep up the good work , K.P. and congrats!

 

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business—you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.

Originally Posted by yoda:
Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:
Originally Posted by Kenny Powers:

I am better off now than I was 4 years ago. I took the initiative and busted my ***. Hence, I have tripled my income over the last 4 years. 

 

For the record, I will be voting for Gary Johnson.

But, according to 'you didn't build that B.O.'...your success IS NOT due to YOUR working your ass off.

______________________________________

 

and there we have it... more wingnut propaganda....here is the quote, in context. so, hard work and initiative do seem to pay off! keep up the good work , K.P. and congrats!

 

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business—you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.

I moved to Chicago 6 years ago without knowing a single person in the city and with $600 in my checking account. I was sick of my life in Florence and decided to change it. I am now part of the evil 1%. I made that happen and no one else. That comment by Barack was a shot against people like me because he wants his constituency to think that they need government to be successful. 

Originally Posted by Kenny Powers:
Originally Posted by yoda:
Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:
Originally Posted by Kenny Powers:

I am better off now than I was 4 years ago. I took the initiative and busted my ***. Hence, I have tripled my income over the last 4 years. 

 

For the record, I will be voting for Gary Johnson.

But, according to 'you didn't build that B.O.'...your success IS NOT due to YOUR working your ass off.

______________________________________

 

and there we have it... more wingnut propaganda....here is the quote, in context. so, hard work and initiative do seem to pay off! keep up the good work , K.P. and congrats!

 

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business—you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.

I moved to Chicago 6 years ago without knowing a single person in the city and with $600 in my checking account. I was sick of my life in Florence and decided to change it. I am now part of the evil 1%. I made that happen and no one else. That comment by Barack was a shot against people like me because he wants his constituency to think that they need government to be successful. 

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Congratulations, you have done well to have educated yourself without the aid of a teacher, built the highways that took you to Chicago with nothing but a shovel which you carved yourself out of a tree, and you are using an internet that you built all by yourself without any help from Al Gore, on a computer that you designed, and built yourself. 

Damm, you must be one smart person.

Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by Kenny Powers:
Originally Posted by yoda:
Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:
Originally Posted by Kenny Powers:

I am better off now than I was 4 years ago. I took the initiative and busted my ***. Hence, I have tripled my income over the last 4 years. 

 

For the record, I will be voting for Gary Johnson.

But, according to 'you didn't build that B.O.'...your success IS NOT due to YOUR working your ass off.

______________________________________

 

and there we have it... more wingnut propaganda....here is the quote, in context. so, hard work and initiative do seem to pay off! keep up the good work , K.P. and congrats!

 

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business—you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.

I moved to Chicago 6 years ago without knowing a single person in the city and with $600 in my checking account. I was sick of my life in Florence and decided to change it. I am now part of the evil 1%. I made that happen and no one else. That comment by Barack was a shot against people like me because he wants his constituency to think that they need government to be successful. 

===================

Congratulations, you have done well to have educated yourself without the aid of a teacher, built the highways that took you to Chicago with nothing but a shovel which you carved yourself out of a tree, and you are using an internet that you built all by yourself without any help from Al Gore, on a computer that you designed, and built yourself. 

Damm, you must be one smart person.

The things you mentioned are constants for everyone. I also pay taxes to use those things. 

 

Do you ever have an original thought or do you always blindly agree with what very democrat politician tells you to think?

Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by Kenny Powers:
Originally Posted by yoda:
Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:
Originally Posted by Kenny Powers:

I am better off now than I was 4 years ago. I took the initiative and busted my ***. Hence, I have tripled my income over the last 4 years. 

 

For the record, I will be voting for Gary Johnson.

But, according to 'you didn't build that B.O.'...your success IS NOT due to YOUR working your ass off.

______________________________________

 

and there we have it... more wingnut propaganda....here is the quote, in context. so, hard work and initiative do seem to pay off! keep up the good work , K.P. and congrats!

 

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business—you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.

I moved to Chicago 6 years ago without knowing a single person in the city and with $600 in my checking account. I was sick of my life in Florence and decided to change it. I am now part of the evil 1%. I made that happen and no one else. That comment by Barack was a shot against people like me because he wants his constituency to think that they need government to be successful. 

===================

Congratulations, you have done well to have educated yourself without the aid of a teacher, built the highways that took you to Chicago with nothing but a shovel which you carved yourself out of a tree, and you are using an internet that you built all by yourself without any help from Al Gore, on a computer that you designed, and built yourself. 

Damm, you must be one smart person.

LOL at your al gore comment. Good one.

Originally Posted by Kenny Powers:

The things you mentioned are constants for everyone. I also pay taxes to use those things. 

 

Do you ever have an original thought or do you always blindly agree with what very democrat politician tells you to think?

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But seriously, assuming that you own a business, you don't think that you don't owe any gratitude to the person who gave you your first sale when they could have went somewhere else? or the person who went over your business plan and told you what you needed to tighten up to make sure you gain capital?  Or what about your workers who keep your business running while you take care of bigger tasks?  The bottom line is you didn't gain all you have off of only your sweat and tears.  Someone took a chance on you and your workers choose to stay with you instead of working elsewhere.

Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:

That first sale wasn't 'given'...it was EARNED through hard work and the with the KNOWLEDGE that advertizing was needed....needed to advertize why YOU were the BETTER VALUE....something that the first customer realized WITHOUT government help.

But you had no track record, no real proof of what you could do other than your word and a couple of concepts you made.  it's very unlikely it was a field where you are the only one that can provide the content so there were others they could have went to that may have cost more but at least it was known they could do it.  You may had convinced them, but it was still up to them to give you the chance.

Yes, the first customer may have taken a chance or maybe he knew from prior dealings with other businesses that this was a better deal than the established competition offered. Not that uncommon.

 

BUT for **** sure it is the businessman/woman who takes the risks and it is on those risks, not chances, businesses are built.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

I wonder what an "acceptable number" of people worse off would be for dems. I know they don't care about businesses closing and laying off people, some even like it because those businesses had done business with republicans. It never occurred to them that those businesses closing may  be owned by democrats. 

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What do you recommend? more tax breaks for the rich and put that added burden on the old, sick and poor ?

Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:

That first sale wasn't 'given'...it was EARNED through hard work and the with the KNOWLEDGE that advertizing was needed....needed to advertize why YOU were the BETTER VALUE....something that the first customer realized WITHOUT government help.

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I'm confused, I thought you were out of work. Are you also posting as kenny powers or have you embodied him somehow ?

Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

I wonder what an "acceptable number" of people worse off would be for dems. I know they don't care about businesses closing and laying off people, some even like it because those businesses had done business with republicans. It never occurred to them that those businesses closing may  be owned by democrats. 

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What do you recommend? more tax breaks for the rich and put that added burden on the old, sick and poor ?

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Like YOU give a flip about the old, sick, and poor. It's obvious that you get great enjoyment out of hearing about businesses closing and even more people being laid off.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

I wonder what an "acceptable number" of people worse off would be for dems. I know they don't care about businesses closing and laying off people, some even like it because those businesses had done business with republicans. It never occurred to them that those businesses closing may  be owned by democrats. 

====================

What do you recommend? more tax breaks for the rich and put that added burden on the old, sick and poor ?

****************************

Like YOU give a flip about the old, sick, and poor. It's obvious that you get great enjoyment out of hearing about businesses closing and even more people being laid off.

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How can you , having read (and criticized) my post for so long, even come up with that idea ?

You may need to check with a doctor, you are confusing me with somebody else that is a Republican.

 

Originally Posted by ScottyScomotty:

The main ones that are better off under this bozo are the illegal immigrats, welfare recepients, big labor unions, the unemployed, and major campaign donors. Also the gays and atheists are probably feeling better about themselves. 

 

 

Courtesy of your Republican legislature elected in 2010, thousands of new jobs opened up in Alabama, right?

 

Uhhh ... well, yes. But all the Bubbas and Bobbie Sues keeping their house trailers stocked with food stamp groceries can't bring themselves to pick the stuff they mooch from the taxpayers. 


 

Alabama Immigration Law Causing Produce To Rot In The Fields 

 

Alabama’s tomato farmers are experiencing some of the same problems that Georgia farmers did earlier this year thanks to Alabama’s tough new immigration law, but the author of the law says he’s not willing to change it:

 

A sponsor of Alabama’s tough new immigration law told desperate tomato farmers Monday that he won’t change the law, even though they told him that their crops are rotting in the field and they are at risk of losing their farms.


Republican state Sen. Scott Beason of Gardendale met with about 50 growers, workers, brokers and business people Monday at a tomato packing shed on Chandler Mountain in northeast Alabama. They complained that the new law, which went into effect Thursday, scared off many of their migrant workers at harvest time.


“The tomatoes are rotting on the vine, and there is very little we can do,” said Chad Smith, who farms tomatoes with his uncle, father and brother.


“My position is to stay with the law as it is,” Beason told the farmers. 

 

At the end of the day, Smith was not at all pleased with Beason’s response:

 

After talking with famers at the tomato shed, Beason visited the Smith family’s farm. Leroy Smith, Chad Smith’s father, challenged the senator to pick a bucket full of tomatoes and experience the labor-intensive work.

 

Beason declined but promised to see what could be done to help farmers while still trying to keep illegal immigrants out of Alabama.

 

Smith threw down the bucket he offered Beason and said, “There, I figured it would be like that.”


Of course, it shouldn’t be a surprise that Beason wasn’t all that interested in picking tomatoes. As we learned yesterday, and as Georgia farmers learned earlier this year, picking vegetables simply isn’t something that Americans are willing to do no matter what the wages might be.

 

Read more about unemployed Alabamians unwilling to take advantage of this wonderful job opportunity

http://www.outsidethebeltway.c...o-rot-in-the-fields/

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