Somebody toss this guy a rag so he can clean himself up after that....

Dude. That's not usually a 'spectator sport.'

Yes, I am sure that you could have stopped this if you had been the first one to encounter the shooter. But like all the rest you had no way of knowing this was going to happen. It is good to have people like you in some situations. If is always used after the fact. There has got to be a way to stop these kind of shootings. Some tried to stop him, but was killed while doing it. The young teacher that tried to cover her students with herself, God bless her. Yes, the training of teachers would help in a lot of situations. A place for the teacher and students could hide inside room would help. Like a blocked room with a heavy door they can get into when they hear the commotion outside the rooms. I mean any place to hide instead of just being in a one way out room. 

Interesting:

Mystery as drunk driver who killed two brothers, 11 and 12, is gunned down at the scene just moments after fatal crash

PUBLISHED:11:00 EST, 13 December 2012| UPDATED:12:26 EST, 13 December 2012

Police are investigating who fatally shot a suspected drunken driver just moments after he crashed his car into two young brothers in Texas last week, killing them both.

Investigators questioned witnesses Thursday, but Brazoria County sheriff's investigator Dominick Sanders said detectives had ‘no formal suspects’ in last Friday’s fatal shooting of 21-year-old Jose Banda. The death has been ruled a homicide.

Sanders said investigators haven't interviewed the boys' father, who was injured, or their mother, who was in the truck with the couple's eight-year-old daughter and three-month-old son.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...h.html#ixzz2FRCp5xzK

I get that it could have prevented it or at the very least reduced the number of causalities, but arming everyone and adding more guns just opens itself up to more accidents, especially when you start to think about how some high school kids could overpower a teacher if something went down.

Here is a very, very generalized point to ponder:

"Police officers were shot today in Atlanta and Harrisburg. We need to start arming police so they can defend themselves."

Well...Dude, maybe you should hold on to that rag. It will do you some good when you wipe your azz after someone saves it...who actually WILL use a gun .

Jeez...

PM me Scooter. I'll gladly educate you.

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I don't doubt that, but the key to that happening is what's in bold.  You were trained to think and shoot straight in chaotic situations; your average citizen is not.

I just think there are too many trigger-happy citizens in this country, who don't exercise good judgment in most things in their lives, so why would I trust them to exercise restraint with a gun in their hand? I give you as an example George Zimmerman, who shot and killed an unarmed Trayvon Martin.

And here's a scenario for you:

Suppose we do pass laws where people can be armed everywhere, and suppose I'm one of those armed people. 

One day on the street, in a city like Birmingham, a guy attacks me. Let's say I wrestle away from him enough to access my gun and shoot him. And let's say a third armed citizen comes around the corner and only sees that last part, where I'm shooting my attacker in self-defense. But because this third person didn't see what happened, he assumes I'm going berserk and shooting strangers, so he shoots and kills me. 

Scenarios like these are why I'm against allowing people to carry guns everywhere.  

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Dogsoldier has always struck me as a pretty decent poster on here, but I admit your comment made me chortle.  

You crack me up, Road Puppy.  

Yep, after that unarmed little punk beat the crap out of him after he jumped him from behind. Saw the actual photos of his broken nose and bloody head, you know, the ones the district attorney 'lost' for a few days? Martin was dressed like a punk and was acting like one.

As for this line of yours: who don't exercise good judgment in most things in their lives, are you now the one who decides who is right and who is wrong in their life decisions? Did you get promoted to God or are you just that narcissistic?

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Sooooo.....an unarmed Martin was "dressed like a punk and was acting like one" and that was justification to get him shot and killed.  

Thanks for proving my point!  

And you are proven wrong CCW holders are far more less likely to commit a crime than the general public.  Most anti gunners shoot of their mouth like this but statistics prove them wrong, even the liberal NY Times had to agree.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.c...ti-gun-agenda-again/

The first thing you learn from a CCW class is not to get involved unless you KNOW what is happening.

It remains to be seen what really happened!

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@Rollo:

Nobody with a gun has ever had to 'save my ass' because:

A.) I don't usually get my ass in those situations. Common sense and situational awareness typically serve me well.

B.) Any time my ass ever WAS in such a situation, my wits and whatever weapons of opportunity that were available allowed me to prevail or distract the attacker long enough to escape the situation. Basically whether he was armed or not-I made sure that I was just too much trouble. Not everybody with a gun is a badass-in fact, it's usually quite the opposite-which is why they have a gun. and,

C.)Most of you John Wayne wannabes would either freeze or shoot your foot off in a chaotic situation anyways and end up totally useless to me. (NO, I will not carry your sorry shot ass out of there.)

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QjZY3WiO9s

And finally,

D.) I'm not afraid of everybody and usually easy to get along with. Sure I'm a smartass, but where I'm from we don't shoot each other over cuttin' up.

And no, Rollo, I don't wanna hear any circley-jerk stories.

It doesn't interest me and I don't swing that way.

;p

Noooooo, an unarmed Martin beating the crap out of Zimmerman was justification. If you are OK with people dieing as long as it doesn't involve a gun, you have more problems than any shrink can handle.

Had Zimmerman been the blood thirsty person the media made him out to be, he would not have had any injuries because he would have shot the kid when he first saw him. Martin's fists were bloody from where he had beat Zimmerman in the face.  Don't make the punk out to be some 12 year old angel.  He was a punk, had the attitude and the dress, outweighed Zimmerman and was a foot taller and was in great athletic shape.  You tell me why the punk did not run to his house after he got away from Zimmerman? Zimmerman told the dispatcher he lost sight of him.  After that he is attacked and beaten. The kid circled back around wanting to 'do in' the Mexican. So go with the liberal view, but it doesn't match the evidence.  You want Zimmerman hanged for defending himself?

Liberals, violence is good as long as they do it.

Oh yeah, that would happen, happens all the time.

"Don't make the punk out to be some 12 year old angel.  He was a punk, had the attitude and the dress."

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Again, that speaks for itself.  

Martin was unarmed.  Zimmerman might have gotten beat up, but it didn't require a hospital stay and resulted in zero long-lasting injuries.  

And Zimmerman survived to tell the tale; Martin did not.

Great video, Pup. EVERYONE should watch it!!

All Martin had to do was run away.  He didn't.

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What!?

He wasn't entitled to 'stand his ground??'

Originally Posted by O No!:

Stupid video.  I agree with this comment:

Yes because you'll most certainly be wearing a gas mask and gloves, wearing a holster you're not familiar with, without training, with instructor gunmen who knows where you are and aims directly for you. Do you honestly believe this was a realistic VALID scenario? You'd be in the sad minority.

Originally Posted by Road Puppy:

That's just it.  He wasn't standing, he was sitting on top of Zimmerman beating his face and mashing his head in the concrete. If this had been a black guy sitting on another black guy, it would not have even made the news.

Like someone here already said awhile back...

"I've been shooting all my life" doesn't count as training.

And yes, that's usually how it happens. *open the door-BAMBAMBAM*

What!? Ya think the bad guy's gonna square off like they do in Gunsmoke?

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If I remember correctly, Martin was walking home with some Skittles and a soda or something and Zimmerman was stalking him spoiling for a confrontation..

Martin wasn't sitting on Zimmerman handing him his ass til Zimmerman accosted him like the police on the line told him NOT to do. Probably for just that reason.

Originally Posted by Road Puppy:

Look up the transcript.

dog as a trained person what would be your weapon of choice were you guarding a school entrance?

Guess he couldn't find a gun.

FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. (AP) — A Pakistani-born man wanted to avenge the deaths of U.S. drone attacks in Afghanistan by blowing up a New York City landmark but lacked the money and materials to carry out the plan, a federal prosecutor said Tuesday.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Karen Gilbert said at a bail hearing that Raees Alam Qazi, 20, researched bomb-making techniques on Internet sites affiliated with al-Qaida, including one using Christmas tree lights, and the FBI recorded phone calls and conversations linking Qazi to a purported "lone wolf" plot.

"He fully intended to do this, and thankfully he didn't have enough money," Gilbert said. Referring to casualties in U.S. drone attacks, she added: "He wants to avenge those deaths and kill people."

http://news.yahoo.com/prosecut...mbing-195209819.html

Oops! Sorry, I didn't know I was posting to the "Incredible Hulk"

Pardon me. 

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And don't you forget it.

Watch that s#!/ next time, cowboy.    

It's not necessary to be the incredible hulk. All that's required for fealessness is a working knowledge of human nature, some confidence, some common sense and the ability to shut up and pay attention to things around ya.

Oh yeah...it also helps not to be a colossal 'richard cranium.'

It's amazing how fast the tables can turn when you convince an already unstable person that you're not afraid of death and that you're probably crazier than they are.

Heh. How do you argue with "Shoot me then. I'll die honorably and all my worries'll be over, but yours'll be just beginning."

Originally Posted by Road Puppy:

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Actually I spent the last 30-odd years in Connecticut,near Newtown, and I don't commit crimes.