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PBA
I was there, the protestors, the liberal media, caused us to lose the war..simply because they didn't have the balls and guts to still it out and win...The politicians of todays congress is doing the same with the military as they did in vietnam...leave our boys alone and they will finish the job...
The liberal media,the protestors who would cry help me if someone slap them across the face...weak spineless bastards, caused the killing fields and resulted in the death of millions after we left vietnam...
Yes! they brought the boys home...then spit on them when they arrived...MF"ERS
This is what is about to happen with the iragi people if we pull out....do you really think it will be better if we pulled out...If you do...either you do not read alot..or just plain blind as to why we went in there in the first place...
Just for your information, Soldiers are in the business of killing...sometimes they get killed themselves in the process..they know that when they join...this bleeding heart liberal crap, makes me want to puke...Soldiers are design to take things by force...they are a tool...to enforce a decision...nothing less nothing more..
I have 28 years in the military...how about you...
You know what a bullet smells like as it goes by...you know what a bullet sounds like when it hits flesh...you know what type of sounds come from your buddy's the throat when the bullets shatters the body...you know what hot arteria blood smell like...you want to know what blown cavity meat and organs looks like...how about the sucking sound of a lung shot...ever stuck your finger in one...
I bet ya don't ....most liberals don't...You sit behind your easy chair, and make arm chair decision with a pious ass attitude...

Its about time Americans get some back bone...do the job...get it over with...win...no rules...none...the name of the game is survive...I don't play fair when someone is trying to kill my family or me...I will shoot you in the back, on the toliet, in the bed, making love, or crippled...I don't care...but one thing for sure...my family will survive...my country will survive...I really don't give a hoot and hell about being nice to the other guys with guns...
Its about time you got that attitude...
From:

http://hnn.us/articles/31400.html

What happened when Democrats in Congress cut off funding for the Vietnam War?

Historians have directly attributed the fall of Saigon in 1975 to the cessation of American aid. Without the necessary funds, South Vietnam found it logistically and financially impossible to defeat the North Vietnamese army. Moreover, the withdrawal of aid encouraged North Vietnam to begin an effective military offensive against South Vietnam. Given the monetary and military investment in Vietnam, former Assistant Secretary of State Richard Armitage compared the American withdrawal to “a pregnant lady, abandoned by her lover to face her fate.” 2 Historian Lewis Fanning went so far as to say that “it was not the Hanoi communists who won the war, but rather the American Congress that lost it.” 3
When I went to Nam in 1970, there were about 550,000 soldiers. When I left in 1972, there about 92,000. When Congress cut off funding, it was to the South Vietnamese military. Only about 25,000 US troops were left.

The South Vietnamese military carried on initially, quite well. Without promised logistics support from the US, they collapsed -- no bullets and no spare parts.

The North Vietnamese army with tanks entered Saigon, not the Viet Cong. The VC were destroyed as an effective force in 1972.
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Originally posted by traderconnections:
PBA
I was there, the protestors, the liberal media, caused us to lose the war..simply because they didn't have the balls and guts to still it out and win...The politicians of todays congress is doing the same with the military as they did in vietnam...leave our boys alone and they will finish the job...
The liberal media,the protestors who would cry help me if someone slap them across the face...weak spineless bastards, caused the killing fields and resulted in the death of millions after we left vietnam...
Yes! they brought the boys home...then spit on them when they arrived...MF"ERS
This is what is about to happen with the iragi people if we pull out....do you really think it will be better if we pulled out...If you do...either you do not read alot..or just plain blind as to why we went in there in the first place...
Just for your information, Soldiers are in the business of killing...sometimes they get killed themselves in the process..they know that when they join...this bleeding heart liberal crap, makes me want to puke...Soldiers are design to take things by force...they are a tool...to enforce a decision...nothing less nothing more..
I have 28 years in the military...how about you...
You know what a bullet smells like as it goes by...you know what a bullet sounds like when it hits flesh...you know what type of sounds come from your buddy's the throat when the bullets shatters the body...you know what hot arteria blood smell like...you want to know what blown cavity meat and organs looks like...how about the sucking sound of a lung shot...ever stuck your finger in one...
I bet ya don't ....most liberals don't...You sit behind your easy chair, and make arm chair decision with a pious ass attitude...

Its about time Americans get some back bone...do the job...get it over with...win...no rules...none...the name of the game is survive...I don't play fair when someone is trying to kill my family or me...I will shoot you in the back, on the toliet, in the bed, making love, or crippled...I don't care...but one thing for sure...my family will survive...my country will survive...I really don't give a hoot and hell about being nice to the other guys with guns...
Its about time you got that attitude...



Its the usual whine of the right wing. Sold a lie that is exploding in their face they blame the liberals. As if the politicians and liberals are not allowing them to fight and they could win if only they were allowed to do what? Kill more, destroy more, torture and imprison more? They have already killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians and destroyed a country. They still haven't learned that the more they kill the more enemies they make, so they blame the liberals.

We lost the Vietnam War because the Vietcong beat us, pure and simple. It was a classic guerilla war that beat a foreign invading army. After losing 59,000 Americans and tens of thousands maimed and wounded, with no end in sight, the military cracked and mutinied. The American people began to demand answers. The US generals demanded an end to the war. The people demanded an end to the war. That's how democracy works, when the people say end the war, the government ends it.

A major reason they ended the war was really because the people were aware, learning and mobilizing, threatening corporate elite's power. A counter culture was arising that was rejecting their power.
So they ended the war. They were losing control of society.

The US committed numerous atrocities that were well documented by Human Rights groups as well as journalists, historians and the soldiers themselves. They killed over 2 million Vietnamese people, if that's not trying to win, I don't know what is.
Even with all those deaths we still were not winning.

The Vietnam War was a lie and an invasion and occupation of another country where the it's people did not want us, same as the Iraq War is today, but the right wing can't face their mistakes and ignorance so they do as classic bullies do, they blame someone else.

No one "spit" on returning Vets, that's another myth the right wing needs to make excuses when their lies are exposed. They did get the shaft from the VA though.

There were not millions killed in Vietnam after the US left. No one was killed in Vietnam, although some were punished for being traitors and selling out their country and siding with the US invaders.

In Cambodia the Khmere Rouge took power becasue the US had over thrown King Shinouk, and replaced him with a repressive dictator, General Lon Noll.
The people supported the rise of the Khemer Rouge to drive the US puppet from the country. The Khmere Rouge promised reform and was basically a poor peoples revolution that turned on them when the leaders came to power. It did not kill millions of people, that was US propaganda to try to justify the war. They did kill close to a million though, (still a lot of people, although we killed two million in Vietnam) as it turned into a "French Style Revolution" where anyone with money was either killed or imprisoned. The US forces were the reason for their rise to power and had we stayed out of the country they never would have come to power in the first place.

In Iraq today the polls show the majority of the soldiers want to withdraw and the US has killed hundreds of thousands. The truth is documented by US independent journalists, the foreign media as well as Iraq and Arab media. The truth is hidden from the American people.

Many protesters were beaten, jailed and peppered sprayed or tear gassed back during Vietnam and some are today.

The Iraqi people seem to believe they will be better off when we leave which is why they keep attacking us, daily. Soldiers can't even venture out side the Green Zone by themselves. Iraqi polls and demonstrations continue to call for a US withdrawal. Another important fact that is not reported by that "Liberal Media."

Yes, soldiers are designed to kill, but to kill other soldiers. We should ask ourselves what are we doing there? There are no WMD, Iraq did not attack us and there were no terrorists until we invaded.

We do have laws about killing innocent people. The right wing is making all these excuses as to why we are losing and as usual they blame everyone but themselves. The war is a lie and we are being defeated by a guerilla army, so we kill and beat and jail anyone we can.

The main problem is they don't hold accountable those who lied to them, the government and the corporate media.

You speak of liberals protesting the war. Where are all these so-called liberals today? Where is the liberal media that you speak of? The so-called liberals in Vietnam were the wealthy that were in college, protesting the war. If you had a draft today, you would see those very same people that support the war today protesting it. The only reason you had more protester's in the Vietnam war is simply because of the draft. You reinstate the draft today and you would see all kinds of protest from the right wing!
PBA 54, are you really John Kerry in disguise. I am glad to hear that you rely on Arab and other foreign media for the truth. As left-minded as our media is and you have to venture even farther down the liberal path. Enough about the WMDs, this war is about a bigger issue. We are at war with a violent, unwavering islamic fascists who will stop at nothing to kill us and our culture. Iraq is the first of many battles we are going to have. Would you rather have this war in our back yard? We have to have stability in the middle east. It's too bad the rest of the world are a bunch of cowards like you and your fellow war protestors.
Even the North Vietnamese estimate US caused casualties at about 990,000. The Army was far from broken and certainly didn't mutiny, I was there and remember a little **** trying to spit on me when I came back after my second tour.

My Lai was a shame, but I saw no such atrocities and was all over the country.

The atrocities caused by the Kymer Rouge, 1.5 million, were so bad, the North Vietnamese intervened. As to Vietnam, 900,0000 left any way possible. Estimate of 250,000 exterminated after North Vienamese took over. Read Black Book on Commmunism or Robert Conquest.

Quite reading Noam Chomsky and listening to al-Jazeera, you come off like another lefty or muzzie loon that believes the holacaust was fictional.
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Originally posted by traderconnections:
PBA
I was there, the protestors, the liberal media, caused us to lose the war..simply because they didn't have the balls and guts to still it out and win...The politicians of todays congress is doing the same with the military as they did in vietnam...leave our boys alone and they will finish the job...
The liberal media,the protestors who would cry help me if someone slap them across the face...weak spineless bastards, caused the killing fields and resulted in the death of millions after we left vietnam...
Yes! they brought the boys home...then spit on them when they arrived...MF"ERS
This is what is about to happen with the iragi people if we pull out....do you really think it will be better if we pulled out...If you do...either you do not read alot..or just plain blind as to why we went in there in the first place...
Just for your information, Soldiers are in the business of killing...sometimes they get killed themselves in the process..they know that when they join...this bleeding heart liberal crap, makes me want to puke...Soldiers are design to take things by force...they are a tool...to enforce a decision...nothing less nothing more..
I have 28 years in the military...how about you...
You know what a bullet smells like as it goes by...you know what a bullet sounds like when it hits flesh...you know what type of sounds come from your buddy's the throat when the bullets shatters the body...you know what hot arteria blood smell like...you want to know what blown cavity meat and organs looks like...how about the sucking sound of a lung shot...ever stuck your finger in one...
I bet ya don't ....most liberals don't...You sit behind your easy chair, and make arm chair decision with a pious ass attitude...

Its about time Americans get some back bone...do the job...get it over with...win...no rules...none...the name of the game is survive...I don't play fair when someone is trying to kill my family or me...I will shoot you in the back, on the toliet, in the bed, making love, or crippled...I don't care...but one thing for sure...my family will survive...my country will survive...I really don't give a hoot and hell about being nice to the other guys with guns...
Its about time you got that attitude...


This active duty Major right here says "Thank You" for your sevice...I have been there, done that, and prepping to go back possibly this year to the Big Sand Box....Some of your graphic, un-PC but VERY REAL descriptions you gave is right on. It is a shame that not all can taste it for a day, to see what the price of freedom is. Alot will change their tunes rather rapidly. Others, well, they can go to France if they wish for all I care.

Again, than you for your service and support.
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Originally posted by Brentenman:
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Originally posted by traderconnections:
PBA
I was there, the protestors, the liberal media, caused us to lose the war..simply because they didn't have the balls and guts to still it out and win...The politicians of todays congress is doing the same with the military as they did in vietnam...leave our boys alone and they will finish the job...
The liberal media,the protestors who would cry help me if someone slap them across the face...weak spineless bastards, caused the killing fields and resulted in the death of millions after we left vietnam...
Yes! they brought the boys home...then spit on them when they arrived...MF"ERS
This is what is about to happen with the iragi people if we pull out....do you really think it will be better if we pulled out...If you do...either you do not read alot..or just plain blind as to why we went in there in the first place...
Just for your information, Soldiers are in the business of killing...sometimes they get killed themselves in the process..they know that when they join...this bleeding heart liberal crap, makes me want to puke...Soldiers are design to take things by force...they are a tool...to enforce a decision...nothing less nothing more..
I have 28 years in the military...how about you...
You know what a bullet smells like as it goes by...you know what a bullet sounds like when it hits flesh...you know what type of sounds come from your buddy's the throat when the bullets shatters the body...you know what hot arteria blood smell like...you want to know what blown cavity meat and organs looks like...how about the sucking sound of a lung shot...ever stuck your finger in one...
I bet ya don't ....most liberals don't...You sit behind your easy chair, and make arm chair decision with a pious ass attitude...

Its about time Americans get some back bone...do the job...get it over with...win...no rules...none...the name of the game is survive...I don't play fair when someone is trying to kill my family or me...I will shoot you in the back, on the toliet, in the bed, making love, or crippled...I don't care...but one thing for sure...my family will survive...my country will survive...I really don't give a hoot and hell about being nice to the other guys with guns...
Its about time you got that attitude...


This active duty Major right here says "Thank You" for your sevice...I have been there, done that, and prepping to go back possibly this year to the Big Sand Box....Some of your graphic, un-PC but VERY REAL descriptions you gave is right on. It is a shame that not all can taste it for a day, to see what the price of freedom is. Alot will change their tunes rather rapidly. Others, well, they can go to France if they wish for all I care.

Again, than you for your service and support.


what the price of freedom is? You mean Blood for Oil? and who's freedon Iraq or American?
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Originally posted by Brentenman:
quote:
Originally posted by traderconnections:
PBA
I was there, the protestors, the liberal media, caused us to lose the war..simply because they didn't have the balls and guts to still it out and win...The politicians of todays congress is doing the same with the military as they did in vietnam...leave our boys alone and they will finish the job...
The liberal media,the protestors who would cry help me if someone slap them across the face...weak spineless bastards, caused the killing fields and resulted in the death of millions after we left vietnam...
Yes! they brought the boys home...then spit on them when they arrived...MF"ERS
This is what is about to happen with the iragi people if we pull out....do you really think it will be better if we pulled out...If you do...either you do not read alot..or just plain blind as to why we went in there in the first place...
Just for your information, Soldiers are in the business of killing...sometimes they get killed themselves in the process..they know that when they join...this bleeding heart liberal crap, makes me want to puke...Soldiers are design to take things by force...they are a tool...to enforce a decision...nothing less nothing more..
I have 28 years in the military...how about you...
You know what a bullet smells like as it goes by...you know what a bullet sounds like when it hits flesh...you know what type of sounds come from your buddy's the throat when the bullets shatters the body...you know what hot arteria blood smell like...you want to know what blown cavity meat and organs looks like...how about the sucking sound of a lung shot...ever stuck your finger in one...
I bet ya don't ....most liberals don't...You sit behind your easy chair, and make arm chair decision with a pious ass attitude...

Its about time Americans get some back bone...do the job...get it over with...win...no rules...none...the name of the game is survive...I don't play fair when someone is trying to kill my family or me...I will shoot you in the back, on the toliet, in the bed, making love, or crippled...I don't care...but one thing for sure...my family will survive...my country will survive...I really don't give a hoot and hell about being nice to the other guys with guns...
Its about time you got that attitude...


This active duty Major right here says "Thank You" for your sevice...I have been there, done that, and prepping to go back possibly this year to the Big Sand Box....Some of your graphic, un-PC but VERY REAL descriptions you gave is right on. It is a shame that not all can taste it for a day, to see what the price of freedom is. Alot will change their tunes rather rapidly. Others, well, they can go to France if they wish for all I care.

Again, than you for your service and support.


You are from Kansas? Why or you posting in Alabama? they run you off their board in Kansas?
Well, pro Bowler WE had party onm the selective number came up I got the shaft guess if your old enough you got the gold friggin mine.iQUOTE]Originally posted by PBA54:
When Congress cut funding for the war in Viet Nam, how did that affect the troops already deployed? Did it leave them endangered and trapped in the war, or did it liberate them from the war? My memory is admittedly vague, but I think that it enabled them to return home rather quickly.[/QUOTE]
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Originally posted by PBA54:
[You are from Kansas? Why or you posting in Alabama? they run you off their board in Kansas?


You're new here, aren't yah??????

FYI: my birthplace is Florence; I graduated from Brooks in 1990; I graduated from Auburn and got commissioned via Army ROTC in 1994; my driver's license says Alabama; both of my vehicles have Alabama license plates (Auburn editions); my voter registration card says "your voting place is Lauderdale County Board of Education"; one of my concealed carry permits was issued by the Lauderdale County sheriff last July (other one from South Carolina..); I am currently stationed at Fort Leavenworth, KS and attending the Army Command and General Staff College; I went to 3 Auburn football games this year in Auburn; my mom lives outside the city limits of Florence; and my permantent place of residence, hence why I have all the legal documents listed above, and my hometown is Florence....More than enough reason to give me the right to make comments in my hometown newspaper's forum.

Additionally, I have been coming to this forum LONG before they made the format switch a few weeks ago....see the number of posts I have made, and when they were made...LONG before your posts began to appear regularly last week, and before you seem to have flooded the forum with posts (several others also feel that way).

Next time, before you start posting personal attacks, and snide comments about myself or others in a public forum, why don't you use PM....Since you publicly slandered me on this thread and another, I think it more than reasonable to call you out in public...you seem to like doing that to others.

Secondly, since you are a newbie, why don't your read some of the previous threads and posts FIRST before making comments like that...or PM that person if you have a question.

It is my honest opinion, you are an internet troll, trying to start a flame war. Go somewhere else if you want to do that. I have better things to do.
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