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Kudos to CVS for phasing out tobacco products.

 

“We have about 26,000 pharmacists and nurse practitioners helping patients manage chronic problems like high cholesterol, high blood pressure and heart disease, all of which are linked to smoking,” said Larry J. Merlo, chief executive of CVS. “We came to the decision that cigarettes and providing health care just don’t go together in the same setting.”

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02...by-october.html?_r=1

 

I yam what I yam and that's all I yam--but it is enough!

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Originally Posted by Bestworking:

They stop selling them and all the dollar stores start selling them. I never gave it any thought, but it is true, they'd have to wipe the store shelves almost clean to get rid of all the potentially harmful things they sell, so this is just a PR move. They probably didn't sell that many anyway.

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No, they don't sell that many--only about TWO BILLION DOLLARS worth a year!

Originally Posted by Chuck Farley:

They still sell sodas, beer,  and junk food that contribute to a number of health concerns.  Should they stop carrying those products as well? 

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Sodas, beer, and what you call "junk food" can be consumed in moderation without generating anything like the enormous amount of death and disease associated with tobacco.

Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

They stop selling them and all the dollar stores start selling them. I never gave it any thought, but it is true, they'd have to wipe the store shelves almost clean to get rid of all the potentially harmful things they sell, so this is just a PR move. They probably didn't sell that many anyway.

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No, they don't sell that many--only about TWO BILLION DOLLARS worth a year!

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Not quite what the article says. I really doubt they make anywhere near that on smokes, and they are adding other services. Every day some store stops "carrying" certain items, and some of those would be, imo, popular everyday items. Don't get me wrong, I don't smoke and I don't care if everyone stops selling them. But again, it's PR and promotion of the other things that they think will be bigger money makers. Nothing wrong with that is it?

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The company estimated that its decision would cost an estimated $2 billion in sales from tobacco buyers, which includes incidental items like gum that those customers might also purchase. 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

They stop selling them and all the dollar stores start selling them. I never gave it any thought, but it is true, they'd have to wipe the store shelves almost clean to get rid of all the potentially harmful things they sell, so this is just a PR move. They probably didn't sell that many anyway.

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No, they don't sell that many--only about TWO BILLION DOLLARS worth a year!

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Not quite what the article says. I really doubt they make anywhere near that on smokes, and they are adding other services. Every day some store stops "carrying" certain items, and some of those would be, imo, popular everyday items. Don't get me wrong, I don't smoke and I don't care if everyone stops selling them. But again, it's PR and promotion of the other things that they think will be bigger money makers. Nothing wrong with that is it?

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The company estimated that its decision would cost an estimated $2 billion in sales from tobacco buyers, which includes incidental items like gum that those customers might also purchase. 

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Whatever--the estimated LOSS from discontinuing tobacco products is $2 Billion/Year--a significant loss of sales to any retail corporation.

Bravo!  Shall Walgreens also follow the leader?

 

Cigarettes are not just bad for your health.  They cost you at least 10 years of life.  And smokers' lives are not nearly as good--especially in the last years of COPD.

 

You can spot a lifelong smoker a mile away, especially with the chronic cough and premature wrinkling of the face.  The lungs are even worse.

I wonder how long it will be before they start carrying the electronic cigarettes?  My guess is that we are going to see issues with these things as well, although no where to the extent that you see with conventional cigarettes. There is no doubt in my mind, as I have seen it up close and personal, that cigarettes absolutely destroy the lungs and cause significant atherosclerosis of the coronary vasculature and peripheal vessels.

Originally Posted by teyates:

I wonder how long it will be before they start carrying the electronic cigarettes?  My guess is that we are going to see issues with these things as well, although no where to the extent that you see with conventional cigarettes. There is no doubt in my mind, as I have seen it up close and personal, that cigarettes absolutely destroy the lungs and cause significant atherosclerosis of the coronary vasculature and peripheal vessels.

t, I thought you were against any kind of health care.

Originally Posted by teyates:

I wonder how long it will be before they start carrying the electronic cigarettes?  My guess is that we are going to see issues with these things as well, although no where to the extent that you see with conventional cigarettes. There is no doubt in my mind, as I have seen it up close and personal, that cigarettes absolutely destroy the lungs and cause significant atherosclerosis of the coronary vasculature and peripheal vessels.

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Do you have your own idea about the electronic cigarettes?  Should people avoid those too? I have only seen one person using them, that I know of, so I wonder if they are as "satisfying" as the ads claim, because if they were that good, why in the world wouldn't the smokers use them?

To be honest Best, they have to be better than cigarettes, but I have seen where some of the companies that sell these things are adding things to it such as nicotine flavoring, etc. I know most of the carcinogens that come from burning tobacco and the superheated gases, but long term exposure to any kind of fumes or gases can cause lung damages. There has not been a whole lot of study done as yet, so i would not be surprised to find out in five or ten years that these too will be associated with some form of detriment.  I mean, let's face it, the lawyers have even gone after microwave popcorn for popcorn lung in workers, and in carpet odor absorbents which supposedly can cause lung disease in infants.  It is only a matter of time.

Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by Chuck Farley:

They still sell sodas, beer,  and junk food that contribute to a number of health concerns.  Should they stop carrying those products as well? 

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Sodas, beer, and what you call "junk food" can be consumed in moderation without generating anything like the enormous amount of death and disease associated with tobacco.

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Beer is good for you, maybe even should be considered a health care product.

Don't know how it is now, but when I was a kid, any person that had a heart attack was told by their doctor to drink two beers a day. Down thru the times, that morphed to wine, then any type of alcohol . My mom's dr told her to have at least one drink a day and that was just a couple of years ago.
I'm sure big pharma would rather you take pills instead , tho.

Soda is good for heart burn or indigestion.
If, however , you are a yankee and were referring to Cokes, I agree, they aint' good for you.

Last edited by seeweed
Originally Posted by HIFLYER2:
Originally Posted by Quaildog:

tax on tobacco needs to be hiked to the point a user would puke at the idea of lighting up one of the nasty things.

I thought it was already that high!!  I know I would not pay the current price they get.

Until they tax it to the point that young people cannot afford to start smoking, the tax on cigarettes is not high enough. Just MHO .

 

Extremely high taxes usually just result in a black market -- NY state is a good example.  After jacking up the state tax, the Indian reservations started selling much more to those going off the reservations,  The Russian and Islamists mobs built up the black market complete with fake tax stamps and, sometimes, even fake cigs filled with stuff that makes tobacco look healthy.  Results are NY collects only half the revenue projected and spends half of that of enforcement.  Bad enough to read about people dying `from cancer, worse to read about police being killed and killing people over cigarette raids. 

Originally Posted by Road Puppy:

A friend of mine recently went back to smoking cigarettes after trying an e-cig for awhile. He said he preferred the dry smoker's cough over hacking up a s#*t-ton of glycerine from the e-cig juice every morning.

 

 I was considering e-cigs up until I heard that.  Now I dunno what I'm gonna do...

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I quit smoking using the e-cig. I have stopped coughing all together. I can breathe, taste and smell again. I never coughed up glycerine. I'm with teyates. There might be future studies that find vaping has its own hazards, but I think in comparison to smoking cigarettes it would be worth trying. I am still using the e-cig but I have stepped down to the lowest nicotine level now and I can see where I will be able to completely put it down in the next couple of months. I can't even stand the smell of cigarettes anymore.  Before the e-cig I had tried EVERYTHING and failed. Don't give up and try the e-cig. It might be the thing that works for you. It did for me. Good luck! 

Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by Chuck Farley:

They still sell sodas, beer,  and junk food that contribute to a number of health concerns.  Should they stop carrying those products as well? 

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Sodas, beer, and what you call "junk food" can be consumed in moderation without generating anything like the enormous amount of death and disease associated with tobacco.

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Beer is good for you, maybe even should be considered a health care product.

Don't know how it is now, but when I was a kid, any person that had a heart attack was told by their doctor to drink two beers a day. Down thru the times, that morphed to wine, then any type of alcohol . My mom's dr told her to have at least one drink a day and that was just a couple of years ago.
I'm sure big pharma would rather you take pills instead , tho.

Soda is good for heart burn or indigestion.
If, however , you are a yankee and were referring to Cokes, I agree, they aint' good for you.

 A recent medical study concluded that women that regularly alcohol (not in excess, mind you) have LESS likelihood of developing osteoporosis.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/wo...hritis-osteoporosis/

Last edited by dogsoldier0513
Originally Posted by budsfarm:

I smoked a pack and a half a day for over 22 years. I set a goal to quit cold turkey on my birthday. Last Sunday, I celebrated 30 smoke free years.

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Good for you! I quit cold turkey too, over 2 years ago & I feel so much better. Now if I can just get the extra pounds off that I put on after quitting, I'll be good.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by budsfarm:

I smoked a pack and a half a day for over 22 years. I set a goal to quit cold turkey on my birthday. Last Sunday, I celebrated 30 smoke free years.

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Good for you! I quit cold turkey too, over 2 years ago & I feel so much better. Now if I can just get the extra pounds off that I put on after quitting, I'll be good.

 

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Originally Posted by jtdavis:

Bud, can you still name the date and time of quitting?  

I was able to quit at 9:00 on March 31, 2003.  I still have what is left of my last pack.

 

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Yessir, JT, I can.  And thanks for asking.

 

February 1, 1984 around 10pm I had my last cancer stick.

 

I didn't "officially" quit till my around 7am the next morning when I threw out everything having to do with smoking, even the butts in the trashcans, into a dumpster.

 

 

Originally Posted by budsfarm:
Originally Posted by jtdavis:

Bud, can you still name the date and time of quitting?  

I was able to quit at 9:00 on March 31, 2003.  I still have what is left of my last pack.

 

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Yessir, JT, I can.  And thanks for asking.

 

February 1, 1984 around 10pm I had my last cancer stick.

 

I didn't "officially" quit till my around 7am the next morning when I threw out everything having to do with smoking, even the butts in the trashcans, into a dumpster.

 


After ten+ years of smoking, I quit September 10 1984 at seven pm. It was a Tuesday. Chain smoked for at least thirty minutes up until 7pm, then quit cold turkey.

 

 

Originally Posted by direstraits:

Extremely high taxes usually just result in a black market -- NY state is a good example.  After jacking up the state tax, the Indian reservations started selling much more to those going off the reservations,  The Russian and Islamists mobs built up the black market complete with fake tax stamps and, sometimes, even fake cigs filled with stuff that makes tobacco look healthy.  Results are NY collects only half the revenue projected and spends half of that of enforcement.  Bad enough to read about people dying `from cancer, worse to read about police being killed and killing people over cigarette raids. 

Exactly.

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