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Sometimes it's a combination of both-religion and mental problems with a whole lot of "snake oil salesman" thrown in. It's mentally unbalanced religious nuts following the mentally unbalanced religious nuts. The pity is, children are in the middle of it, and they teach them hate and intolerance in the churches. It's all ages, all political affiliations, all races. They attack each other, they attack other denominations, they attack anyone that doesn't agree with them politically, they get nasty, resort to outright lies, but still call themselves christians, and children see this. They're told they have to be accepting of everyone else, yet they see politicians and their churches dividing the country and turning people against each other.

 

There are as many things to "blame" for this than you'd have time to list. More and more the government is stepping in to tell people how to parent, and way to many people are happy to let them do that. If a child "acts up", they have some fuzzy "mental" condition and there is no such thing as disciplining a child with these vague "mental conditions". It's "time out" or medication and/or counselling. Take a child from a young age and tell him/her that they can't help their "feelings" because they have "such and such" syndrome or whatever, coddle them, cripple them mentally and then medicate them, and later start to fear them, after their parents and a society of enablers have made them what they are. 

 

Children can't be children. If they hug each other-kiss each other-hold hands, they're singled out as "sex offenders". If they have a disagreement or a fight-they have "anger issues". They're allowed to be bullies, or the victims of the bullies, and told they have to accept it. A parent that refuses to accept this and demands something be done is "disruptive, combative", you name it, because they are supposed to step aside and let the "experts" handle it. We have little six year olds that have the fear of being murdered in their classroom, yet some have suggested they'd get "upset" at seeing an armed guard on the door. With everything else the little things are expected to live with I'd think an armed guard would only make them feel safer and more secure.

 

When people with no business having children, do have them, they too are coddled and told it's not their fault that they aren't better parents. They aren't forced to step up to their obligations either. Don't worry about it, the "state" will raise that child for you. Or hey, you can kill it before it's born. Your choice but we're here for you cause you're so special.

 

The list of reasons these things happen could go on and on. 

Originally Posted by slice:

1993, David Koresh 25 children died.  1978, Jim Jones 276 children died. Can anyone explain this?  Mental or religion cause this.

Both,  mental and used religion to back them up. Mental, but yet smart enough to use people and religion to benefit themselves.He brain washed the people into thinking what they were doing was right, that God wanted it this way. Suicide is not right in God's eyes. Either way killing is wrong, whether by your own hands or someones else. Jim Jones and the parents of those children will have there judgement day and I do not think that it will be a good one. If the child was not old enough to make a decision for themselves then it was the parents decision to make it for them and that is murder no matter how you look at it.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

I can't say it any better than Jenn did but I have met a lot of religious people that are full form crazy! We have 2 on this very forum.

I could put me in the area of being crazy. The whole world is crazy, so we all have to have a crazy side to us. lol. Religion is a freedom, everyone had a choice to make in what you believe and what religion you are. Religion is not carved in stone, you have the right to change at any time in your life.But yes crazy,  I could rate myself as a little crazy.

Inside One School's Extraordinary Security Measures

 

 

While schools across America reassess their security measures in the wake of the tragic shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., one school outside of Chicago takes safety to a whole new level.

The security measures at Middleton Elementary School start the moment you set foot on campus, with a camera-equipped doorbell. When you ring the doorbell, school employees inside are immediately able to see you, both through a window and on a security camera.

"They can assess your demeanor," Kate Donegan, the superintendent of Skokie School District 73 ½, said in an interview with ABC News.

Once the employees let you through the first set of doors, you are only able to go as far as a vestibule. There you hand over your ID so the school can run a quick background check using a visitor management system devised by Raptor Technologies. According to the company's CEO, Jim Vesterman, only 8,000 schools in the country are using that system, while more than 100,000 continue to use the old-fashioned pen-and-paper system, which do not do as much to drive away unwanted intruders.

"Each element that you add is a deterrent," Vesterman said.

In the wake of the Newtown shooting, Vesterman told ABC News his company has been "flooded" with calls to put in place the new system. Back at Middleton, if you pass the background check, you are given a new photo ID - attached to a bright orange lanyard - to wear the entire time you are inside the school. Even parents who come to the school on a daily basis still have to wear the lanyard.

"The rules apply to everyone," Donegan said.

The security measures don't end there. Once you don your lanyard and pass through a second set of locked doors, you enter the school's main hallway, while security cameras continue to feed live video back into the front office.

It all comes at a cost. Donegan's school district - with the help of security consultant Paul Timm of RETA Security - has spent more than $175,000 on the system in the last two years. For a district of only three schools and 1100 students, that is a lot of money, but it is all worth it, she said.

"I don't know that there's too big a pricetag to put on kids being as safe as they can be," Donegan said.

"So often we hear we can't afford it, but what we can't afford is another terrible incident," Timm said.

Classroom doors open inward - not outward - and lock from the inside, providing teachers and students security if an intruder is in the hallway. Some employees carry digital two-way radios, enabling them to communicate at all times with the push of a button. Administrators such as Donegan are able to watch the school's security video on their mobile devices. Barricades line the edge of the school's parking lot, keeping cars from pulling up close to the entrance.

Teachers say all the security makes them feel safe inside the school.

"I think the most important thing is just keeping the kids safe," fourth-grade teacher Dara Sacher said.

Parents like Charlene Abraham, whose son Matthew attends Middleton, say they feel better about dropping off their kids knowing the school has such substantial security measures in place.

"We're sending our kids to school to learn, not to worry about whether they're going to come home or not," she said.

In the wake of the horrific shooting at Sandy Hook last Friday, Donegan's district is now even looking into installing bullet-resistant glass for the school building. While Middleton's security measures continue to put administrators, teachers, parents and students at ease, Sacher said she thinks that more extreme measures - such as arming teachers, an idea pushed by Oregon state Rep. Dennis Richardson - are a step too far.

"I wouldn't feel comfortable being armed," Sacher said. "Even if you trained people, I think it'd be better to keep the guns out of school rather than arm teachers."

 

 

 

http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc...news-topstories.html

Yep, it is expensive. Lots of schools have some of these same security measures. And unless they DO install bulletproof glass, the same thing that happened at Newtown could happen there.

 

So, are you willing to have your taxes go up so that ALL schools can implement these security measures? Or are you going to complain that it is another way for liberals to take money out of your pocket?

Getting back to the initial post, I'd say a combination of both. Mental illness is debilitating enough on it's own but throw in some of that good ole 'old time religion' and you've got yourself a recipe for a nutcase who now thinks he/ she has the answers to all the worlds problems and gets them straight from the man upstairs. Scary ****. Not a good combination. 

Last edited by Seven
Originally Posted by O No!:

Yep, it is expensive. Lots of schools have some of these same security measures. And unless they DO install bulletproof glass, the same thing that happened at Newtown could happen there.

 

So, are you willing to have your taxes go up so that ALL schools can implement these security measures? Or are you going to complain that it is another way for liberals to take money out of your pocket?

ONo I'm usually in the no tax camp but its high time we spent some more money on the treatment of those with mental illness. In Alabama its one of the thing we routinely cut. I see this as not only humane but also a public safety issue. So yeah if it goes for the treatment of the mentally ill raise my taxes.

I agree, Red. A lot of state-run mental hospitals have closed all over thecountry, and while they SAY it is because residential settings are better, the real reason was to save money. In one state I used to live in, the only state-run mental hospital closed, and the nearest city was innundated with mental patients who were given a little money to find housing, but because they were not deemed "dangerous", they were just released and left on their own. They and their families could not afford private hospitals for them. The number of homeless, mentally disturbed people who started living under bridges in the downtown area caused businesses to close because no one wanted to shop downtown anymore. The place is a ghost town now.

Originally Posted by Red Baron:
Originally Posted by O No!:

Yep, it is expensive. Lots of schools have some of these same security measures. And unless they DO install bulletproof glass, the same thing that happened at Newtown could happen there.

 

So, are you willing to have your taxes go up so that ALL schools can implement these security measures? Or are you going to complain that it is another way for liberals to take money out of your pocket?

ONo I'm usually in the no tax camp but its high time we spent some more money on the treatment of those with mental illness. In Alabama its one of the thing we routinely cut. I see this as not only humane but also a public safety issue. So yeah if it goes for the treatment of the mentally ill raise my taxes.

Just to throw this out Red.

 

I know for a fact that our local state representative, Greg Burdine, has been working on a draft for legislation to increase the cost of filing fees for estates, conservatorships and guardianships for about two months now. The increase in fee would be applied directly to supplement mental health costs. 

 

As I work in the "arena" affected by this legislation he asked me for my opinion. I support it wholeheartedly. Call Greg and voice your support!!!!

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