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Discovery Channel beats CNN to TWA 800 scoop
For the first time on national television, on January 25th 2007 and during a show called "Best Evidence," the Discovery Channel considered radar evidence of an apparent missile engagement of TWA Flight 800. The radar evidence shows wreckage exiting the plane at apparent supersonic speeds just as the jetliner lost electrical power. http://cnnexposed.com/story.php?story=32
Posted Jan 26, 2007 02:14 PM PST
Category: COVER-UP/DECEPTIONS

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/archives/cat_coverupdeceptions.html

Given that kerosene vapor explosions are low velocity, debris from TWA 800 exceeding the speed of sound cannot be explained by the fuel tank explosion. Impact by a supersonic missile, however, easily explains the debris velocity.
Great timing given that tomorrow's radio show deals with TWA 800.

See also TWA 800 - THE MAGIC WINGBOX which points out how the official story contradicts itself.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/CRASH/TWA/WINGBOX/magic.html
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Originally posted by pba:
Discovery Channel beats CNN to TWA 800 scoop
For the first time on national television, on January 25th 2007 and during a show called "Best Evidence," the Discovery Channel considered radar evidence of an apparent missile engagement of TWA Flight 800. The radar evidence shows wreckage exiting the plane at apparent supersonic speeds just as the jetliner lost electrical power. http://cnnexposed.com/story.php?story=32
Posted Jan 26, 2007 02:14 PM PST
Category: COVER-UP/DECEPTIONS

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/archives/cat_coverupdeceptions.html

Given that kerosene vapor explosions are low velocity, debris from TWA 800 exceeding the speed of sound cannot be explained by the fuel tank explosion. Impact by a supersonic missile, however, easily explains the debris velocity.
Great timing given that tomorrow's radio show deals with TWA 800.

See also TWA 800 - THE MAGIC WINGBOX which points out how the official story contradicts itself.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/CRASH/TWA/WINGBOX/magic.html



PBA, I looked at all three links you posted here, and none of them are first/rate links, none of them were even Discovery Channel links, nor do they SAY it is true, it is speculation only at this point...

And the Crash happened in 1996, so I daresay there is precious little to go back on to discredit the findings at the time.

I COULD be wrong though... if a NEWS site reports this, then I may listen.

If all you are doing is sitting there GOOGLING all the time to dredge up things that happened so many years ago, with links that do not support the topic, then maybe you need to get more in tune with the actual NEWS???

Just my opinon, because I don't know where you are trying to go with so many of your posts... Sorry about that, kiddo!
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
quote:
Originally posted by pba:
Discovery Channel beats CNN to TWA 800 scoop
For the first time on national television, on January 25th 2007 and during a show called "Best Evidence," the Discovery Channel considered radar evidence of an apparent missile engagement of TWA Flight 800. The radar evidence shows wreckage exiting the plane at apparent supersonic speeds just as the jetliner lost electrical power. http://cnnexposed.com/story.php?story=32
Posted Jan 26, 2007 02:14 PM PST
Category: COVER-UP/DECEPTIONS

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/archives/cat_coverupdeceptions.html

Given that kerosene vapor explosions are low velocity, debris from TWA 800 exceeding the speed of sound cannot be explained by the fuel tank explosion. Impact by a supersonic missile, however, easily explains the debris velocity.
Great timing given that tomorrow's radio show deals with TWA 800.

See also TWA 800 - THE MAGIC WINGBOX which points out how the official story contradicts itself.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/CRASH/TWA/WINGBOX/magic.html



PBA, I looked at all three links you posted here, and none of them are first/rate links, none of them were even Discovery Channel links, nor do they SAY it is true, it is speculation only at this point...

And the Crash happened in 1996, so I daresay there is precious little to go back on to discredit the findings at the time.

I COULD be wrong though... if a NEWS site reports this, then I may listen.

If all you are doing is sitting there GOOGLING all the time to dredge up things that happened so many years ago, with links that do not support the topic, then maybe you need to get more in tune with the actual NEWS???

Just my opinon, because I don't know where you are trying to go with so many of your posts... Sorry about that, kiddo!



You count on news media like CNN,FOX,MSNBC TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH AND THEY DON'T! THEY GIVE YOU SPIN!I did not say I agree with this site,this is why I put it up for debate. Remember just because I post it,does not mean I agree with it. I like it when you debate it and post your thoughts and I will come and post my reply to what I think!
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Originally posted by pba:
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
quote:
Originally posted by pba:
Discovery Channel beats CNN to TWA 800 scoop
For the first time on national television, on January 25th 2007 and during a show called "Best Evidence," the Discovery Channel considered radar evidence of an apparent missile engagement of TWA Flight 800. The radar evidence shows wreckage exiting the plane at apparent supersonic speeds just as the jetliner lost electrical power. http://cnnexposed.com/story.php?story=32
Posted Jan 26, 2007 02:14 PM PST
Category: COVER-UP/DECEPTIONS

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/archives/cat_coverupdeceptions.html

Given that kerosene vapor explosions are low velocity, debris from TWA 800 exceeding the speed of sound cannot be explained by the fuel tank explosion. Impact by a supersonic missile, however, easily explains the debris velocity.
Great timing given that tomorrow's radio show deals with TWA 800.

See also TWA 800 - THE MAGIC WINGBOX which points out how the official story contradicts itself.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/CRASH/TWA/WINGBOX/magic.html



PBA, I looked at all three links you posted here, and none of them are first/rate links, none of them were even Discovery Channel links, nor do they SAY it is true, it is speculation only at this point...

And the Crash happened in 1996, so I daresay there is precious little to go back on to discredit the findings at the time.

I COULD be wrong though... if a NEWS site reports this, then I may listen.

If all you are doing is sitting there GOOGLING all the time to dredge up things that happened so many years ago, with links that do not support the topic, then maybe you need to get more in tune with the actual NEWS???

Just my opinon, because I don't know where you are trying to go with so many of your posts... Sorry about that, kiddo!



You count on news media like CNN,FOX,MSNBC TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH AND THEY DON'T! THEY GIVE YOU SPIN!I did not say I agree with this site,this is why I put it up for debate. Remember just because I post it,does not mean I agree with it. I like it when you debate it and post your thoughts and I will come and post my reply to what I think!


Maybe so, in your eyes, but in MY eyes, for it to be a DEBATE, then one of your links should have been either CNN, FOX, MSNBC and ESPECIALLY DISCOVERY CHANNEL NEWS... One of THEM should have put it out to the public, not just a website that can almost be generated by anyone who knows how to make websites.
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
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Originally posted by pba:
quote:
Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
quote:
Originally posted by pba:
Discovery Channel beats CNN to TWA 800 scoop
For the first time on national television, on January 25th 2007 and during a show called "Best Evidence," the Discovery Channel considered radar evidence of an apparent missile engagement of TWA Flight 800. The radar evidence shows wreckage exiting the plane at apparent supersonic speeds just as the jetliner lost electrical power. http://cnnexposed.com/story.php?story=32
Posted Jan 26, 2007 02:14 PM PST
Category: COVER-UP/DECEPTIONS

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/archives/cat_coverupdeceptions.html

Given that kerosene vapor explosions are low velocity, debris from TWA 800 exceeding the speed of sound cannot be explained by the fuel tank explosion. Impact by a supersonic missile, however, easily explains the debris velocity.
Great timing given that tomorrow's radio show deals with TWA 800.

See also TWA 800 - THE MAGIC WINGBOX which points out how the official story contradicts itself.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/CRASH/TWA/WINGBOX/magic.html



PBA, I looked at all three links you posted here, and none of them are first/rate links, none of them were even Discovery Channel links, nor do they SAY it is true, it is speculation only at this point...

And the Crash happened in 1996, so I daresay there is precious little to go back on to discredit the findings at the time.

I COULD be wrong though... if a NEWS site reports this, then I may listen.

If all you are doing is sitting there GOOGLING all the time to dredge up things that happened so many years ago, with links that do not support the topic, then maybe you need to get more in tune with the actual NEWS???

Just my opinon, because I don't know where you are trying to go with so many of your posts... Sorry about that, kiddo!



You count on news media like CNN,FOX,MSNBC TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH AND THEY DON'T! THEY GIVE YOU SPIN!I did not say I agree with this site,this is why I put it up for debate. Remember just because I post it,does not mean I agree with it. I like it when you debate it and post your thoughts and I will come and post my reply to what I think!


Maybe so, in your eyes, but in MY eyes, for it to be a DEBATE, then one of your links should have been either CNN, FOX, MSNBC and ESPECIALLY DISCOVERY CHANNEL NEWS... One of THEM should have put it out to the public, not just a website that can almost be generated by anyone who knows how to make websites.

I was not planning on getting in this. Because it is a conspiracy thing that does not make sense to me. IF a missile took down flight 800, what purpose was intended by firing the missile? those things are not cheap, you don't use them for fireworks displays.
If the gummint shotted it down, why? Was there a special person on board, Did the High French club plan to defect and provide anti-american propoganda? Was the Lady Homocide Detective getting close to implicating a powerful politician or Mafia Don?
On the subject of kerosene explosions. Unless I am seriously mistken, SUPER SONIC FLIGHT IS POSSIBLE USING KEROSENE COMBUSTION. Really. The F 104, and all other jet propelled aircraft burn kerosene, or better qualified, Jet Fuel. Just like Flight 800 did. I believe that the speed of debris from an explosion is dependent, not on the speed of the explosive, but on the pressure generated by the explosion. For example, some bullets are less than supersonic at the muzzle, and some are more than supersonic at the muzzle, and all are propelled by the same explosive, gun powder.

Problem with being an eye witness.

I am going to provide an experiment for you. Hold a quarter between the thumb and forfinger of your right hand. Pretend to throw it into your left hand, and pretend to catch it in your left hand while moving your right hand back from the "toss." Enclose the quarter in your right fist, present both fists to an audience and ask them which holds the quarter. I am assured by stage magicians that the choice of the audience will generally be the left hand. Viewers of the experience will report they SAW the quarter go from right hand to left hand, and will wonder how it got to the right hand.
The Mind creates images. If the mind did not creat images, hitting a fast ball would be impossible, because predicting the location of the ball is required to hit it. Seeing a fireball larger than its origin, squirting away from the origin tends to generate an image of a source for the fireball outside the origination. Obviously that fact does not provide proof that there was no missile.
Next problem, besides asking who has a missile and the motivation to shoot it at an airliner and keep the shooting secret, where is the point of origin of the missile? Was it on a boat? Was it on a moat? Was it at a sand bar? Was it at a motor car?
Of course, if a missile is fired in the woods and there is no one to hear it fired, it still made a sound. But, if there was no one, besides the shooter, to hear it, where is this place that has no people? Again, this does not prove there was no missile, it just raises the question of: "If a missile was fired, where did it originate. The witnesses say it came from the Sea. So, burn evidence is unlikely. And, the lack of witnesses to the launch is likely, and a launch from "over the horizon" is likely as well. The event was after dark, so the launch site must have lit up at the time of the launching.
Now, having not put in my two cents worth, I will go back to reading the papers.

SOMETIMES THE SIMPLE EXPLANATION IS THE RIGHT EXPLANATION. SOMETIMES NOT.
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
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Originally posted by pba:
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
quote:
Originally posted by pba:
Discovery Channel beats CNN to TWA 800 scoop
For the first time on national television, on January 25th 2007 and during a show called "Best Evidence," the Discovery Channel considered radar evidence of an apparent missile engagement of TWA Flight 800. The radar evidence shows wreckage exiting the plane at apparent supersonic speeds just as the jetliner lost electrical power. http://cnnexposed.com/story.php?story=32
Posted Jan 26, 2007 02:14 PM PST
Category: COVER-UP/DECEPTIONS

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/archives/cat_coverupdeceptions.html

Given that kerosene vapor explosions are low velocity, debris from TWA 800 exceeding the speed of sound cannot be explained by the fuel tank explosion. Impact by a supersonic missile, however, easily explains the debris velocity.
Great timing given that tomorrow's radio show deals with TWA 800.

See also TWA 800 - THE MAGIC WINGBOX which points out how the official story contradicts itself.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/CRASH/TWA/WINGBOX/magic.html



PBA, I looked at all three links you posted here, and none of them are first/rate links, none of them were even Discovery Channel links, nor do they SAY it is true, it is speculation only at this point...

And the Crash happened in 1996, so I daresay there is precious little to go back on to discredit the findings at the time.

I COULD be wrong though... if a NEWS site reports this, then I may listen.

If all you are doing is sitting there GOOGLING all the time to dredge up things that happened so many years ago, with links that do not support the topic, then maybe you need to get more in tune with the actual NEWS???

Just my opinon, because I don't know where you are trying to go with so many of your posts... Sorry about that, kiddo!



You count on news media like CNN,FOX,MSNBC TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH AND THEY DON'T! THEY GIVE YOU SPIN!I did not say I agree with this site,this is why I put it up for debate. Remember just because I post it,does not mean I agree with it. I like it when you debate it and post your thoughts and I will come and post my reply to what I think!


Maybe so, in your eyes, but in MY eyes, for it to be a DEBATE, then one of your links should have been either CNN, FOX, MSNBC and ESPECIALLY DISCOVERY CHANNEL NEWS... One of THEM should have put it out to the public, not just a website that can almost be generated by anyone who knows how to make websites.




Most people depend on the corproate media for their news and opinions and they are lied too.

The corporate media arms the right wing with plenty of "ammunition" but most of it is lies. They leave the Democrats with little to go on. It's like I keep saying, you have to get the answers from the progressive press because it's not in the corporate media's interest to give us the answers. They are part of the problem.
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Originally posted by Alphonse:
Hey EdEKit,

Why did you single out the F-104? Man, the Starfighter has always been one of my favorite planes.

Sorry, if you want to get me going talk religion, if you REALLY want to get me going, talk fighter planes (that's kind of sad actually).

The Reason is simple, it is an early Supersonic fighter, The First to go supersonic was the F100, but the 104 was the breakthrough for much of the supersonic technology. At least the way a lot of experts see it. Before the F 100, several planes, the F 86 and F 89 were "transonic" they could exceed the speed of sound in a dive, and REMAIN INTACT. Pretty important for survival. There are reports of supersonic flight, and survival, in some WW II properller driven planes, particularly the P 38 after modifications. (several Crashed after loss of control in supersonic, or near supersonic dives) The addition of controlable Trim Tabs to the Ailerons was the modification. Anyway, the reason I picked the F 104 for the example was the fact that it was supersonic, as was some of the wreckage from flight 800.
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
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Originally posted by Alphonse:
Hey EdEKit,

Why did you single out the F-104? Man, the Starfighter has always been one of my favorite planes.

Sorry, if you want to get me going talk religion, if you REALLY want to get me going, talk fighter planes (that's kind of sad actually).

The Reason is simple, it is an early Supersonic fighter, The First to go supersonic was the F100, but the 104 was the breakthrough for much of the supersonic technology. At least the way a lot of experts see it. Before the F 100, several planes, the F 86 and F 89 were "transonic" they could exceed the speed of sound in a dive, and REMAIN INTACT. Pretty important for survival. There are reports of supersonic flight, and survival, in some WW II properller driven planes, particularly the P 38 after modifications. (several Crashed after loss of control in supersonic, or near supersonic dives) The addition of controlable Trim Tabs to the Ailerons was the modification. Anyway, the reason I picked the F 104 for the example was the fact that it was supersonic, as was some of the wreckage from flight 800.


Good aviation points. I've also heard the P-47, because of its weight, could break the sound barrier in a steep dive. Good to meet another aviation buff.

Again, sorry, I'm not trying to hijack the thread.

Why does the website about TWA 800 mention radar data of "high-speed wreckage" but not a radar report of a missle? It may be in the report, but I couldn't find it.
When this happened I was home and had the local TV news on. There had been this constant behind the scenes spin campaign by the right wing that Saddam had agents in the country that were going to attack us and assassinate our leaders.

When the plane went down the media had reporters on the scene immediately and they were interviewing person after person saying they saw a flash of light and what looked like a missile come up from the ground and hit the plane. NO Doubt about it and the News anchors kept questioning who could it have been? Implying it was the Iraqi's or More Arab terrorists, like the 93 bombing of the WTC building.

I saw the news and the eye witnesses myself.

Then I began to see the story change right before my eyes. Suddenly the official explanation was it was an internal explosion. Then some independent reports began to say the military was doing exercises off the coast that day and accidentally shot the plane down. I am still not sure what the real story is but I know that there were numerous eye witnesses who said they saw a missile hit the plane.

YOU know if you read the story you would not know what to believe but I saw those news reports and the eye witnesess myself.
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Originally posted by pba:
When this happened I was home and had the local TV news on. There had been this constant behind the scenes spin campaign by the right wing that Saddam had agents in the country that were going to attack us and assassinate our leaders.

When the plane went down the media had reporters on the scene immediately and they were interviewing person after person saying they saw a flash of light and what looked like a missile come up from the ground and hit the plane. NO Doubt about it and the News anchors kept questioning who could it have been? Implying it was the Iraqi's or More Arab terrorists, like the 93 bombing of the WTC building.

I saw the news and the eye witnesses myself.

Then I began to see the story change right before my eyes. Suddenly the official explanation was it was an internal explosion. Then some independent reports began to say the military was doing exercises off the coast that day and accidentally shot the plane down. I am still not sure what the real story is but I know that there were numerous eye witnesses who said they saw a missile hit the plane.

YOU know if you read the story you would not know what to believe but I saw those news reports and the eye witnesess myself.

I bothered to check some of this out, I am not the only one on the forum to notice that there was no radar tracking of the RISING missile.
What was more telling pba, THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE OF EXPLOSIVES IN THE RECOVERED WRECKAGE, and more telling yet, NO WRECKAGE FROM ANY OTHER CRAFT OR MISSILE.

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