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Interesting read.  Having practically grown up there immersed in history, I knew of the Charleston SC Black slave-owners; however, Blacks were owning Blacks when the world was flat.  There's always room for more pointing fingers.

I've one of the reference books  Black Confederates advertised at the bottom of the site.  It records their service in my gr.gr. grandfather's North Alabama cavalry unit.

direstraits posted:

Pride's cleaners in Sheffield used to have a photo of black Confederate veterans -- a couple in their old uniforms.  I like to point out that the highest ranking black officer in the Civil War was Major James Noble -- Corps of Engineers.  He was attached to the Stonewall Brigade.

I'm trying to find out more info on Major Noble.

Do you have a link on him or do you have additional data that we can fill in the Search for Soldiers at

https://www.nps.gov/civilwar/s...leUnitFunctionCode=E

To test drive the system, I popped in the names of a couple of my Confederate ancestors and retrieved immediate information.

This is a good site for any one searching for information on a Civil War soldier or seaman, Union or Confederate.

When You Eliminate the Black Confederate…”

http://cwmemory.com/2011/03/22...e-black-confederate/

Heritage.  Not hate.

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budsfarm posted:
direstraits posted:

Pride's cleaners in Sheffield used to have a photo of black Confederate veterans -- a couple in their old uniforms.  I like to point out that the highest ranking black officer in the Civil War was Major James Noble -- Corps of Engineers.  He was attached to the Stonewall Brigade.

I'm trying to find out more info on Major Noble.

Do you have a link on him or do you have additional data that we can fill in the Search for Soldiers at

https://www.nps.gov/civilwar/s...leUnitFunctionCode=E

To test drive the system, I popped in the names of a couple of my Confederate ancestors and retrieved immediate information.

This is a good site for any one searching for information on a Civil War soldier or seaman, Union or Confederate.

When You Eliminate the Black Confederate…”

http://cwmemory.com/2011/03/22...e-black-confederate/

Heritage.  Not hate.

Sorry, I don't have a link. I read about his career years ago in a magazine on the civil war.  Sorry.  He was a great builder of tactical bridges per the article.  Stonewall Jackson once asked if he built a bridge.  He replied that he had constructed the bridge. Just hadn't drawn up the plans for the general, yet.

Bill O'reilly did a show on him on his Legends and Lies:
The Real West. But trying to find something on him turn into
a struggle.
 
 
Who in the world is James Noble?
Question posted September 15, 2015 by bob pittmanLevel 1 
 
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Title:
Who in the world is James Noble?
Summary:
I am looking for information on James Noble (1829 ? - 1866 ? )
Content:

I am at wits end trying to find out more about James Noble.  The only concrete information I have is from the son's obituary naming the parents.  Through cemetery records, newspaper clippings and other sources, I have information about Beulah Hugg (James' second wife?) but nothing about James Noble.

http://person.ancestry.com/tre...on/20488256305/facts

We have 3 DNA samples from this family line and few clues are emerging.  Several of the DNA matches have relatives named Noble in the 1700's in Massachusetts and another group has relatives named Noble in the 1700's in Maryland.  I cannot make a connection between those 2 family lines and my James Noble from Philadelphia.

I have extracted all the Nobles from the Philadelphia city directories from the 1840's onward.  I made a table out of the information but have not been able to find a connection.  I cannot find James in the Pennsylvania census.

Here is my latest hypothsis: James Noble married ??? and had a Franklin Pierce Noble in Jun 1859.  He then married Buelah Hugg. I am guessing he went to fight in the Civil War and perished about 1866 (based on Buelah's listing in the city directories). In a tribute written about Franklin Pierce Noble upon his death, the tribute stated that James and his son Franklin were pioneers in the brass industry.

Any help is appreciated trying to fill in the mystery about James.  Also, help with using the DNA results in isolating potential Noble ancestors is greatly appreciated.

Bill O'reilly did a show on him on his Legends and Lies:
The Real West.
 
Have you a link to that, Jack.  I can't find one.
 
Can't even find a reference to JN in the index of O'Reilly's book.
  
Forgive me for profiling, but the Ancestry query sounds like white Yankees to me.
 
Franklin Pierce Noble.  Son of James and Beulah
 
 
 
I'll get this right, eventually.
 
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We have two different guys here.

 

Many argue, including Bill O'Reilly's Legends & Lies 2015 television series, there is evidence that Bass Reeves was the basis of the now classic radio and later television series "The Lone Ranger", with several key similarities between the character and the real legend. However that claim is debated by others.  We tend to believe he really was the 'Lone Ranger'.

 

http://www.greatblackheroes.co...ernment/bass-reeves/

http://www.legendsofamerica.com/we-bassreeves.html

https://stargazermercantile.co...r-heard-bass-reeves/

I guess this wasn't much help.

Maybe not, but informative none-the-less.  Love the series.  Reading O'Reilly's Killing Reagan now which was gifted to me.  Next will be Patton of my own choosing.

I stand corrected on my reference to Black Confederates.

The book I have is Black Southerners in Gray ~ Essays on Afro-Americans in Confederate Armies.

http://www.amazon.com/Black-So...rgeron/dp/0963899392

The Stonewall Brigade consisted of  5 infantry and one artillery battery from Virginia.  That could/would have included engineers as well.

http://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/Stonewall_Brigade

However, according to BSiG, no blacks served as Confederate soldiers in Virginian units.  Though there are plenty of those who say otherwise:

https://www.google.com/webhp?h...he+stonewall+brigade

In all cases, you have to consider the source.

It's common knowledge that many slave/servants followed their "officer-masters" to the battlefield.  Also common that freed men served as cooks and teamsters.  But we are talking about blacks who took up arms.

Heritage.  Not hate.

Bestworking posted:

The REAL story of the history of America is so much more interesting that you have to wonder why the ones that re-write it, want it to appear so different than the truth.

Fact is, "winner's" write history.  Fact often falls victim to fiction or just simple omission.  Like this:

Civil War massacre launched reparations debate

https://www.washingtonpost.com...9b306bbea_story.html

Many previous articles on the subject would have you believe Sherman's entire army was chased across Georgia and South Carolina by Wheeler's Cavalry so anxious were the Yankees to blame someone else.

After a century and a half of attempted cover-up, in 2010, a historical marker setting the record straight was put up at the site.

 

So sometimes the "history" we were taught has to be re-written to include the facts.  If that is revisionist history, so be it.

I well remember when in high school being taught the Emancipation Proclamation freed the slaves.  Surprising the number of people still believe that.

The truth will set you free, but first it will "pizz" you off ~  Gloria Steinem 

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From:  Gen'l Sherman's Aide-de-Camp to Major-General Halleck.  Jan. 12, 1865 

Of course that *c*o*c*k-and-bull story of my turning back negroes that Wheeler might kill them is all humbug. I turned nobody back. Jeff. C. Davis did at Ebenezer Creek forbid certain plantation slaves- old men, women, and children-to follow his column; but they would come along and he took up his pontoon bridge, not because he wanted to leave them, but because he wanted his bridge.

Heand Slocum both tell me they don't believe Wheeler killed one of them**.

**{The old men, women, and children. drowned by the deliberate actions of  Yankee General Davis.  They were not shot by Confederates.

 {Yet the article above from the WP states Those who remained on-s*h*o*r*e were  . . . shot . . .   This form of yellow journalism  - making hate.}


 

The War of the Rebellion: Original Records of the Civil War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...e_American_Civil_War


 

 

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