Elect him again

Wow. What a radical idea! Freedom of religion! What would our founding fathers think?

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Originally posted by O No!:
Wow. What a radical idea! Freedom of religion! What would our founding fathers think?

I agree..when did Freedom of religion become a bad thing?

you mean the white house might lets us excersize more of our freedoms? who would have thunk it, i think ill vote for more constitutional enforcement..............

I have a friend from New Jersey that told me about the Muslims celebrating on the roof tops on 9/11. These must be the good Muslims we hear so much about. Funny the same people who criticize the Christians are the first to defend the religious freedoms of terrorists.

WHAT, do you mean Obama supports freedom of religion ? How could he do that to us?

Ronnie, the Branch Davidians claimed to be Christian. So did Jim Jones for that matter. You could comdemn all Christians based on what those people did. And what about the Crusades?

Just because SOME Muslims are terrorists does not mean they all are. And our constitution DOES provide for freedom of religion. Are you saying that should only apply to religions YOU approve of?

Just because we don't LIKE something doesn't mean we have the right to deny someone the same rights that we have.

if we go down that path, pretty soon everything will be banned because someone somewhere disapproves of some of the things we enjoy doing.

It doesn't deny their right but It doesn't mean I have to be happy about it.

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Originally posted by Ronnie P.:
It doesn't deny their right but It doesn't mean I have to be happy about it.

The rights that are guaranteed to all, including others with whom we might strongly disagree, are rights that all of us ought to stand up for. It is easy to argue forcefully for the rights that we associate ourselves and our activities with. It is not as easy to rise in support of rights exercised by others when, in the exercise of those rights, they do or say things that disturb our sense of comfort and our self satisfaction.

I don't like seeing some loon burn the American flag, but I understand that he has that right. I strongly disagree with Islamic theology, but I respect the right of Muslims to believe it. So long as Islamic actions in this nation are not in violation of law, they have the right to construct places of worship and to carry out their devotions there, whether in Podunk or in Manhattan.

The yahoos (and there are quite a few) who assert that they will beat the daylights out of anyone they see burning the flag are NOT patriotic. A true patriot will accept that which gives him discomfort knowing that the greater good is served by the Constitutional principle of robust freedom of expression, even when that expression is odious.

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Originally posted by prince albert:
Elect obama again and there will be a lot more than this going on at the White House.

"Muslims have the right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country," Obama told a White House dinner crowd celebrating the Muslim holy month of Ramadan Friday.

Now tell me, prince albert, what, in your opinion, he should have said. Would it go something like this: "Muslims do not have the right to practice their religion in this country."

Just how productive do you think a statement like that would have been?

Its about the first amendment, alberto. Try reading it some time!

no better I am not worried about freedom of religion what I am worried about is him inviting the people who will take you over into the White House and celebrating their Holiday because he is one of them, you think that I am on something, WAIT AND SEE, it won't be on his watch but it's coming, then you will remember the man in the Monkey hat with the AK-47 sticking his face before the Camera and saying "one day you will switch to Muslim or you will die" Did you see him say that? if not hold on awhile and you will see him again, so all you people that know so much, go ahead make fun if you like when it happens you will go along like a bunch of Sheep for you are to sorry to fight. in the Old Testament when Israel would get so wicked God would send some Country along and take them into captivity, don't you think the people of this nation is nearing that place in morality? when the People of this Nation see arms, Legs and Guts laying around then they will open their eyes.

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Originally posted by O No!:
Ronnie, the Branch Davidians claimed to be Christian. So did Jim Jones for that matter. You could comdemn all Christians based on what those people did. And what about the Crusades?

Just because SOME Muslims are terrorists does not mean they all are. And our constitution DOES provide for freedom of religion. Are you saying that should only apply to religions YOU approve of?

The ones you mentioned may have started calling themselves Christians but their leaders was the ones claiming to be Christ. True Christians and Churches did denounce them for their beliefs and tried to get to their members and get them out of the organizations. Jim Jones left the country and didn't attack anyone here but tried to move away to keep his game going. He did attack the Congressman and kill them when his group was revealed for what it was and he saw the end coming and they committed suicide, most unwillingly duped by their leader whom they began to worship more than Christ or God. The Davidians were the same in David Koresh claimed to be Jesus and claimed to be the Messiah they were not Christian but a Cult. They also didn't attack anyone but defended themselves when they were attacked by the government. Granted the government had reason to arrest some and to worry about them but the group didn't attack the US. These Muslims, with silent approval by many others, declared Jihad or a Religious war against the west and the US and they Attacked innocent people in the World Trade center and the pentagon and hopes to attack Congress or the White House in hopes to cause our Government to fall or fail. Many muslims today celebrate that silently and most refuse to condemn it. Yes they should have the freedom to build on private property but if they are a loving peaceful religion then they should know and realize the place they are building and be sensitive to those that died because of radicals that were under the banner of their religion. This was as far different from the Davidians and Jim Jones, in relation to Christianity, than night from day. Had Jim Jones or David Korish been allowed to keep to themselves they would still be there today duping the ones that believe in them but not attacking others and certainly not attacking the US or innocents in buildings.

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Originally posted by prince albert:
no better I am not worried about freedom of religion what I am worried about is him inviting the people who will take you over into the White House and celebrating their Holiday because he is one of them, you think that I am on something, WAIT AND SEE, it won't be on his watch but it's coming, then you will remember the man in the Monkey hat with the AK-47 sticking his face before the Camera and saying "one day you will switch to Muslim or you will die" Did you see him say that? if not hold on awhile and you will see him again, so all you people that know so much, go ahead make fun if you like when it happens you will go along like a bunch of Sheep for you are to sorry to fight. in the Old Testament when Israel would get so wicked God would send some Country along and take them into captivity, don't you think the people of this nation is nearing that place in morality? when the People of this Nation see arms, Legs and Guts laying around then they will open their eyes.

Three things:

(1) Obama is not "one of them" any more than he was born in Kenya, as the irrational birthers assert. Anyone who believes the President of the United States and the Commander-in-Chief of her armed forces either (a) was born outside this country or (b) is a Muslim is hopelessly deluded and probably deranged as well.

(2) The Fool Killer still has much work left to do.

(3) Do you realize that the inchoate, run-on beginning sentence of your post has about 95 words and almost no punctuation? I will spare you my comments on other elements of illiteracy appearing there, except to say, "GOOD GRIEF!"

Gbrk, you disagree with my first paragraph. Do you disagree with the second one too?

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Originally posted by beternU:

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Originally posted by prince albert:
no better I am not worried about freedom of religion what I am worried about is him inviting the people who will take you over into the White House and celebrating their Holiday because he is one of them, you think that I am on something, WAIT AND SEE, it won't be on his watch but it's coming, then you will remember the man in the Monkey hat with the AK-47 sticking his face before the Camera and saying "one day you will switch to Muslim or you will die" Did you see him say that? if not hold on awhile and you will see him again, so all you people that know so much, go ahead make fun if you like when it happens you will go along like a bunch of Sheep for you are to sorry to fight. in the Old Testament when Israel would get so wicked God would send some Country along and take them into captivity, don't you think the people of this nation is nearing that place in morality? when the People of this Nation see arms, Legs and Guts laying around then they will open their eyes.

Three things:

(1) Obama is not "one of them" any more than he was born in Kenya, as the irrational birthers assert. Anyone who believes the President of the United States and the Commander-in-Chief of her armed forces either (a) was born outside this country or (b) is a Muslim is hopelessly deluded and probably deranged as well.

(2) The Fool Killer still has much work left to do.

(3) Do you realize that the inchoate, run-on beginning sentence of your post has about 95 words and almost no punctuation? I will spare you my comments on other elements of illiteracy appearing there, except to say, "GOOD GRIEF!"

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I know that I don't Punctuate like I should, I am sorry I put your Mind in distress reading my unpunctuated Post, so now I am a Fool, I read on the Religious Forum where you are a Deacon in the Church where you go and I am just a mere 76 year old Coc Christian, I won't clutter up your Mind with my drivel, so you put me on Ignore and I will do the same. I reckon they can make a Deacon out of anything.

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Originally posted by beternU:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by prince albert:
(b) is a Muslim GRIEF!"

Obama is no Muslim, but the real question is "what if he were ?", or what if the next president is ? Or what if he or any future president were athiest?
So what ? It should make no difference- "but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States." Th Constitution, article 6, last sentence

How would you feel about a Satan worshiper, seeweed?

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Originally posted by prince albert:

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Originally posted by beternU:

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Originally posted by prince albert:
no better I am not worried about freedom of religion what I am worried about is him inviting the people who will take you over into the White House and celebrating their Holiday because he is one of them, you think that I am on something, WAIT AND SEE, it won't be on his watch but it's coming, then you will remember the man in the Monkey hat with the AK-47 sticking his face before the Camera and saying "one day you will switch to Muslim or you will die" Did you see him say that? if not hold on awhile and you will see him again, so all you people that know so much, go ahead make fun if you like when it happens you will go along like a bunch of Sheep for you are to sorry to fight. in the Old Testament when Israel would get so wicked God would send some Country along and take them into captivity, don't you think the people of this nation is nearing that place in morality? when the People of this Nation see arms, Legs and Guts laying around then they will open their eyes.

Three things:

(1) Obama is not "one of them" any more than he was born in Kenya, as the irrational birthers assert. Anyone who believes the President of the United States and the Commander-in-Chief of her armed forces either (a) was born outside this country or (b) is a Muslim is hopelessly deluded and probably deranged as well.

(2) The Fool Killer still has much work left to do.

(3) Do you realize that the inchoate, run-on beginning sentence of your post has about 95 words and almost no punctuation? I will spare you my comments on other elements of illiteracy appearing there, except to say, "GOOD GRIEF!"

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I know that I don't Punctuate like I should, I am sorry I put your Mind in distress reading my unpunctuated Post, so now I am a Fool, I read on the Religious Forum where you are a Deacon in the Church where you go and I am just a mere 76 year old Coc Christian, I won't clutter up your Mind with my drivel, so you put me on Ignore and I will do the same. I reckon they can make a Deacon out of anything.

My mind is not put into distress by deficiencies in punctuation. But my mind is astonished by zany predictions that rest on the premise that the President is a closet Muslim and that his alleged Islamist connection will ultimately engender future carnage upon this nation by violent Muslim extremists. THAT is foolish stuff and it is silly and ought not to be propagated by anyone who calls himself a Christian of any kind. If you know that he "is one of them," then put up the PROOF of that if you can! If you can not prove what you allege, then you are merely speculating wildly, without any basis for what you have posted. That bespeaks a lack of intellectual integrity on your part--unless you can PROVE Obama is a Muslim. I await your response.

Here is some Bible for YOU:

"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."(2 Thessalonians 5:21).

Let's have the P R O O F!!

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Originally posted by b50m:
How would you feel about a Satan worshiper, seeweed?

How I feel or how you feel has nothing to do with it. The Constitution is clear. I doubt , however , if a Muslim or a Satan worshiper could get elected, I know I would not vote for them because of my personal bias.

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Originally posted by prince albert:

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Originally posted by beternU:

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Originally posted by prince albert:
no better I am not worried about freedom of religion what I am worried about is him inviting the people who will take you over into the White House and celebrating their Holiday because he is one of them, you think that I am on something, WAIT AND SEE, it won't be on his watch but it's coming, then you will remember the man in the Monkey hat with the AK-47 sticking his face before the Camera and saying "one day you will switch to Muslim or you will die" Did you see him say that? if not hold on awhile and you will see him again, so all you people that know so much, go ahead make fun if you like when it happens you will go along like a bunch of Sheep for you are to sorry to fight. in the Old Testament when Israel would get so wicked God would send some Country along and take them into captivity, don't you think the people of this nation is nearing that place in morality? when the People of this Nation see arms, Legs and Guts laying around then they will open their eyes.

Three things:

(1) Obama is not "one of them" any more than he was born in Kenya, as the irrational birthers assert. Anyone who believes the President of the United States and the Commander-in-Chief of her armed forces either (a) was born outside this country or (b) is a Muslim is hopelessly deluded and probably deranged as well.

(2) The Fool Killer still has much work left to do.

(3) Do you realize that the inchoate, run-on beginning sentence of your post has about 95 words and almost no punctuation? I will spare you my comments on other elements of illiteracy appearing there, except to say, "GOOD GRIEF!"

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I know that I don't Punctuate like I should, I am sorry I put your Mind in distress reading my unpunctuated Post, so now I am a Fool, I read on the Religious Forum where you are a Deacon in the Church where you go and I am just a mere 76 year old Coc Christian, I won't clutter up your Mind with my drivel, so you put me on Ignore and I will do the same. I reckon they can make a Deacon out of anything.

My mind is not put into distress by deficiencies in punctuation. But my mind is astonished by zany predictions that rest on the premise that the President is a closet Muslim and that his alleged Islamist connection will ultimately engender future carnage upon this nation by violent Muslim extremists. THAT is foolish stuff and it is silly and ought not to be propagated by anyone who calls himself a Christian of any kind. If you know that he "is one of them," then put up the PROOF of that if you can! If you can not prove what you allege, then you are merely speculating wildly, without any basis for what you have posted. That bespeaks a lack of intellectual integrity on your part--unless you can PROVE Obama is a Muslim. I await your response.

Here is some Bible for YOU:

"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."(2 Thessalonians 5:21).

Let's have the P R O O F!!

People who claim to be Christians and then spread known lies leaves me to "judge their fruit".

For a laugh, bring up google and type in, "Obama is a." Then, see what comes up as choices!

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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
For a laugh, bring up google and type in, "Obama is a." Then, see what comes up as choices!

I did. It is an astonishing list of things. No person could possibly be so versatile! And it was indeed good for laughs, though also somewhat distressing in its documentation of the mass hysteria and gross inanity that characterize the muddled minds of so many deluded people.

I didn't Google it as suggested but I'll submit the first two words that come to my mind when I think of Obama.

1) Embarrassment

2) Catastrophe

The fact that Obama is a minority is NOT an issue or a reason that he is such a poor President. The fact that he is such a poor President and a dangerous one is due to the fact that he is a ultra liberal and due to his (apparent) personal beliefs about America and our form of Government. These are things that should have come out in the election process but we have such a corrupt and biased media that they fail to investigate and report on candidates that follow their liberal bias so the bulk of the American public has little chance to know the real candidate.

We are rapidly going from benefactors and saviours to victims and easy prey. Ignorance is not what's making people take a stand to stop this trend, we have simply run out of "good will". When you give and give-in all the time, and get nothing in return but abuse heaped upon abuse, you finally reach your limit. No matter how kind or tolerant a person is, they have their breaking point. There will always be those people that are "low hanging fruit", but more and more everyday we are finding people are simply fed up, and they're speaking out, be it against this mosque or other serious issues facing this country. Every day someone asks us for "religious tolerance" while at the same time they are taking that right from Christians. They are offended by people putting religious symbols on their own homes and businesses, will sue to have them removed, sue to have cities take down crosses and other religious items that have been there for years, then cry intolerance and racism because someone opposes putting a mosque at ground zero. Christians are losing the right to celebrate Christmas the way they want, but a school will re-arrange their football practice schedule to accommodate muslim students observing Ramadan. What's wrong with this picture?

Government endorsement of any particular religion is currently against the law, meaning if Christian displays are allowed on public property, then Muslim(or any other) displays must also be allowed. Lawsuits result when the other displays are rejected.

No private property displays have ever been ruled illegal, except by homeowners associations which usually restrict all displays.

The football team accommodating the Muslim players may have been a result of a choice of the team members. The teams probably also accommodates the Christian players by not having practice on Sunday mornings.

A group of students and parents sued Wednesday to stop a Wisconsin school district from continuing to hold high school graduations in a Christian megachurch.

The lawsuit filed in federal court in Milwaukee said the setting violates Elmbrook School District students' and parents' constitutional rights by creating an atmosphere that makes non-Christians uncomfortable.

The advocacy group Americans United for Separation of Church and State sued on behalf of a group that includes a graduating student, alumni and parents who are not Christians and had attended the ceremonies at Elmbrook Church. It has hosted the graduations of Brookfield Central High School since 2000 and Brookfield East High School since 2002.

School officials have said the church is larger and more comfortable than other buildings in Waukesha County, about 10 miles west of Milwaukee.

The lawsuit claims a large cross in the sanctuary was covered during the first graduation ceremony, but the church then decided to keep the cross uncovered because it "wants to share its facilities without compromising its identity."

Graduates and guests must pass religious banners and symbols to enter the sanctuary. Some have read or looked through Bibles and hymnals in the pews during graduation, the lawsuit said.

The lawsuit wants this year's and future graduations moved to a secular location and seeks compensation for students and parents involved in the lawsuit who attended graduations at the church in the past.

Superintendent Matt Gibson said the schools did not have an alternative site and that he has spoken to the church about covering the cross and removing religious items.

"They've been willing to remove anything that's temporary, but they haven't been willing to remove anything permanent," he said.

A woman in the church's office said its leaders had not seen the lawsuit and had no comment.


Now tell me which "other" group was denied.

A school function in a church is perfectly acceptable as long as the there are multiple religions to choose from and the ceremony can be moved annually to the varying locations. Since a church was used last year, a mosque would be appropriate this year, a Buddhist temple next, a Jewish temple the following year and so on. The Wiccans can have their year in any open field as long as the bloody alter from the sacrifices is not to gory. Christians need to realize that worldwide, they're a small minority, and the world is coming to America.

Typical demospeak. SSDD with democrats. You said if others were denied, no one was denied in this story except Christians. We'll just have to wait and see if "the world comes to America" as you said. People are getting fed up and rightfully so.

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Originally posted by Jennifer:
Typical demospeak. SSDD with democrats. You said if others were denied, no one was denied in this story except Christians. We'll just have to wait and see if "the world comes to America" as you said. People are getting fed up and rightfully so.

How are the Christians denied anything? They get to have a school ceremony in the church of their choice. It is everyone but the Christians that is being denied the freedom to attend a secular school function without the annoyance of Christian idolatry.

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Originally posted by prince albert:
...I am worried about is him inviting the people who will take you over into the White House and celebrating their Holiday because he is one of them...

The first Iftar at the White House was actually hosted in 2005, after 9/11, by former President Bush, who told his guests that the Qur’an “has guided billions of believers across the centuries, and those believers built a culture of learning and literature and science.” He continued to host them every year of his term. He also added the first copy of the Qur’an to the White House library.

By the way, willful ignorance and Christianity are mutually exclusive.

One of them? Who? How many people of the Muslim faith do you know? The ones I know would no more harm anyone than I would. Where does all this hatred come from? It is not even rational.

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One of them? Who? How many people of the Muslim faith do you know? The ones I know would no more harm anyone than I would. Where does all this hatred come from? It is not even rational.

It mainly comes from the tea party wing of the Republican party, although the party itself has been successful using fear tactics recently .
BE AFRAID, BE VERY AFRAID !!! "THEY" ARE GOING TO KILL, TAKE OVER, TAKE AWAY YOUR FREEDOMS, (or insert your own fear hear).
Just fear mongering for political purposes .
Bush/ Turdblossom were very adapt at it, now they try again.

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Originally posted by Jennifer:
We are rapidly going from benefactors and saviours to victims and easy prey. Ignorance is not what's making people take a stand to stop this trend, we have simply run out of "good will". When you give and give-in all the time, and get nothing in return but abuse heaped upon abuse, you finally reach your limit. No matter how kind or tolerant a person is, they have their breaking point. There will always be those people that are "low hanging fruit", but more and more everyday we are finding people are simply fed up, and they're speaking out, be it against this mosque or other serious issues facing this country. Every day someone asks us for "religious tolerance" while at the same time they are taking that right from Christians.

Exactly what rights have been taken away from you, or any christian? Have you been prevented from building a church? Have been prevented from worshiping in the manner you choose? Please provide specific examples. I ask because I simply don't agree with your assessment.

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They are offended by people putting religious symbols on their own homes and businesses, will sue to have them removed

Example(s)?

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sue to have cities take down crosses and other religious items that have been there for years

Our constitution prohibits the government to promote any particular religion. Note the *any*. A wise prohibition it is too.

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, then cry intolerance and racism because someone opposes putting a mosque at ground zero.

It is intolerance. The whole flack over the muslim center is ridiculous. The center is *two* blocks from ground zero for Pete's sake. Also, there were many innocent muslims who died in the two towers. Do their lives mean nothing at all?

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Christians are losing the right to celebrate Christmas the way they want, but a school will re-arrange their football practice schedule to accommodate muslim students observing Ramadan. What's wrong with this picture?

How are christians losing the right to celebrate Christmas the way they want?
Hopefully you're not referring the to the "happy holidays" vs " merry christmas" silliness.

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Originally posted by Jennifer:
We are rapidly going from benefactors and saviours to victims and easy prey. Ignorance is not what's making people take a stand to stop this trend, we have simply run out of "good will". When you give and give-in all the time, and get nothing in return but abuse heaped upon abuse, you finally reach your limit. No matter how kind or tolerant a person is, they have their breaking point. There will always be those people that are "low hanging fruit", but more and more everyday we are finding people are simply fed up, and they're speaking out, be it against this mosque or other serious issues facing this country. Every day someone asks us for "religious tolerance" while at the same time they are taking that right from Christians.

Exactly what rights have been taken away from you, or any christian? Have you been prevented from building a church? Have been prevented from worshiping in the manner you choose? Please provide specific examples. I ask because I simply don't agree with your assessment.
I keep asking the same question, but never get an answer.

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They are offended by people putting religious symbols on their own homes and businesses, will sue to have them removed

Example(s)?
Example(s) PLEASE !

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sue to have cities take down crosses and other religious items that have been there for years

Our constitution prohibits the government to promote any particular religion. Note the *any*. A wise prohibition it is too.
Yep !

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, then cry intolerance and racism because someone opposes putting a mosque at ground zero.

It is intolerance. The whole flack over the muslim center is ridiculous. The center is *two* blocks from ground zero for Pete's sake. Also, there were many innocent muslims who died in the two towers. Do their lives mean nothing at all?
It is just fear mongering for political purposes. It will go away soon after the Nov election

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Christians are losing the right to celebrate Christmas the way they want, but a school will re-arrange their football practice schedule to accommodate muslim students observing Ramadan. What's wrong with this picture?

How are christians losing the right to celebrate Christmas the way they want?
Hopefully you're not referring the to the "happy holidays" vs " merry christmas" silliness.

More lies, this time from Bill O'Riley. You should really ween yourself from that networlk

Seaweed, Good points.I have so often wondered who came up with that "they" took prayer out of schools or took God out of school. Who prevents anyone from praying anytime or anywhere? Where does that stuff come from? and for what reason? And if I believe in God I believe all the time and it is not necessary for me to see God written anywhere- are some people's faith so weak they must be constantly reinforced? Is God so small if he is not mentioned in public places people who believe will forget?

you are right, anyone can prey anytime anywhere they want to.
Jesus warned us to not be like they hypocrites , who pray in the streets loudly (so that everyone will notice, but to go into a closet or room alone and pray to God.
For some reason, people want to push the hypocritical position, so that's what I can surmise from their view point.
Lets keep schooling in school, and religion in religious places, BUT, keep faith in our hearts, as that is what really counts.

The people that are upset that there is not mandatory, sanctioned prayer is schools, want, and need, the reassurance that their views and beliefs are mainstream and that others will follow them too, even if by the force of law.

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The people that are upset that there is not mandatory, sanctioned prayer is schools, want, and need, the reassurance that their views and beliefs are mainstream and that others will follow them too, even if by the force of law.

Isn't that uusally too the ones who claim government is too big and should stay out of our lives?

Taking religion out of school was lawful. However, replacing it with the mindsets that organize killings and violence is a poor replacement.