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John F. Harris and Jim VandeHei left The Washington Post to become Politico's editor-in-chief and executive editor, respectively. Politico is financed by Robert Allbritton, chairman and chief executive of Allbritton Communications, which owns television stations in Washington, D.C. and elsewhere, all affiliated with the Disney-owned ABC network. Frederick J. Ryan Jr., former Politico is a partner with several news outlets that co-report and distribute its video, print, and audio content. Partners include CBS News,[7] Allbritton Communications's ABC station WJLA and cable channel News Channel 8,[8] radio station WTOP-FM[9], and Yahoo! News election coverage.
Yeah, that pretty much says it all...
And I'm supposed to BELIEVE this hack...?
Huh?
When does "Goofy" enter in?
More POLITICO crap!
Politico Mojo
Robert Allbritton hopes his ambitious new print and Internet ventures will lure political junkies and benefit from a fast-changing media landscape.

By Kathy Kiely
Kathy Kiely (kkiely@usatoday.com) covers Congress and politics for USA Today.



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If skinny, 37-year-old Robert Allbritton is looming as a bigger hero in the journalistic pantheon than First Amendment author James Madison these days, no wonder: While most other media moguls seem to be laying off reporters, he's hiring.

Adding to his contrarian aura: Allbritton is underwriting an ambitious Internet news venture by starting up a--get this--dead tree publication.

The Politico, his newspaper cum Web site (www.politico.com), launched January 23, just in time for President Bush's State of the Union address. As the name suggests, it is based Inside the Beltway, covering Congress, and everybody else who wants to run for president.

Allbritton already has generated some buzz by plucking off big-name talent, most notably John Harris, the new publication's editor in chief, and Jim VandeHei, his executive editor. Both left plummy jobs at the Washington Post, where Harris was national political editor and VandeHei a national political correspondent, to join the upstart hybrid. They in turn raided Time magazine to get Mike Allen and snared Roger Simon, a veteran political columnist.

All told, the Politico has recruited 19 writers and 11 editors. Among the prize catches are well-connected congressional reporters John Bresnahan, late of Roll Call, and Josephine Hearn and Patrick O'Connor, both veterans of the Hill newspaper. Bill Nichols, who has covered foreign policy and the Clinton administration during his 23 years at USA Today, will be the Politico's deputy managing editor and editor for special projects. Another "critical hire," says Harris, is Kim Kingsley, who spent the last two years helping to get Washington Post correspondents on radio and TV. She'll be instrumental in building the Politico's street cred by getting its stories and reporters noticed in more established media.

Synergy is a big part of Allbritton's formula. The Politico's founder already has cut a deal to give his reporters and editors high-profile exposure with regular appearances on CBS. In addition to the Internet site, the Politico's team will produce a daily television show for Webcast and potential syndication.

But the foundation for Allbritton's multimedia buzz machine will be, at least initially, good old-fashioned newsprint. Three days a week, when Congress is in session, Allbritton plans to paper Capitol Hill and the K Street lobbyists' corridor with 24,000 copies of a tabloid, also called the Politico. As the name suggests, it will chronicle the doings of DC's political-industrial complex.

And profit from it as well, according to Allbritton's plan. He hopes to tap into a lucrative, only-in-Washington market of advertisers: government contractors and lobbyists who are trying to shape the opinions of opinion leaders. Their "issue advertising" dollars already keep two Capitol Hill-based publications afloat--Roll Call and the Hill. Allbritton thinks there's more than enough money to support a third, and it's easy to see why he thinks so. According to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics, corporations and special interest groups spent $2.28 billion lobbying Congress and federal agencies in 2005. Further evidence of the market's strength: Allbritton says he started making ad sales for his new publication before it even had a name. "It was the ultimate in vaporware," he says.

Allbritton sees the paper version of the Politico as the key to the overall venture's success. "You can get infinitely more advertising money if you have a print product," he says. Publishing strictly on the Internet is "the future," he adds. "It's not here yet."

Allbritton has been studying the Washington media market from his perch as head of Allbritton Communications, a family-owned string of TV stations that includes Washington's ABC affiliate, WJLA. The initials stand for Joseph L. Allbritton, the current CEO's dad and former owner of the late, lamented Washington Star.

The younger Allbritton, who vividly remembers "getting allergy shots from the nurse at the Star" when he was in grade school, says he's been yearning to expand the family media footprint in Washington for years. Roll Call or the Hill seemed appealing buys because, he says, a non-daily paper with limited circulation doesn't violate the FCC's cross-ownership ban. But after crunching the numbers, Allbritton concluded "we can start our own more cheaply."

He sought advice from two veterans of Capitol Hill's newspaper wars: Martin Tolchin, a former New York Timesman who helped found the Hill, and Andrew Glass, who wrote a column for the Hill after retiring as the Washington bureau chief for Cox Newspapers. He hired Bruce Drake, formerly of NPR and New York's Daily News, to serve as managing editor.

Allbritton's original vision morphed considerably after Harris and VandeHei came aboard. The two ex-Posties say they had been having some pie-in-the-sky conversations about starting a political Web site, and had even gone as far as talking to some contacts in the business world. They had just concluded that they didn't have the business know-how or infrastructure to make a go of it ("We can't even do our expense accounts," says Harris) when Allbritton approached VandeHei about a job at what was then to be a newspaper called the Capitol Leader.

The rest is history in the making.

Harris, 43, is a 21-year veteran of the Post and author of two political books, "The Survivor," a well-reviewed memoir of Bill Clinton's White House--which Harris covered--and "The Way to Win," a handbook for '08 presidential candidates, co-authored with ABC News Political Director Mark Halperin. VandeHei, 35, is such a political junkie that he moved to Washington after graduating from the University of Wisconsin-Oshkosh and worked for a bricklayer before catching on at Roll Call. From there he headed to the Wall Street Journal and then the Post.

In an interview, Harris and VandeHei had only good things to say about their former employer. But the chance to start "something genuinely new," Harris says, was irresistible.

The two ex-Posties' vision, heavy on the Internet and national political reporting, "dovetailed with what we were thinking we wanted to be," Allbritton says, and inspired him to accelerate his plans. Those call for big-time coverage of the presidential race, including staffing the astronomically expensive campaign planes.

Counting photographers, a cartoonist and advertising salespeople, Allbritton had nearly 50 people working for the Politico on launch day. He says he's prepared to lose money at first--though he's vague when it comes to how long he'll tolerate red ink. "Anybody who expects to make money in a media venture in year one isn't realistic," he says. "What you're talking about is changing people's habits. It takes a little while for people to discover a reason to change."

Some political journalists, meanwhile, seem to have already discovered a reason to change.

Harris and VandeHei aren't the only big journalism names to abandon high-profile jobs in the mainstream media for a startup Internet venture. Ron Fournier, 43, recently walked away from his post as the Associated Press' top political writer to join HotSoup.com, a politically oriented social networking site launched by an unusual combination of former Clinton and Bush staffers. Fournier says it's no surprise that some reporters are getting ahead of their corporate bosses. "We're all curious people who are always looking around the next corner," he says. While some in the business see the Web as a threat, Fournier argues it's a tremendous opening. "The Internet has created so many opportunities for journalists," he says. "We no longer have to work at the big paper in town. The buffet has gotten a whole lot bigger."

The Politico's new editors see that kind of risk-taking attitude and willingness to change as critical components for success in 21st-century journalism. Asked what he's seeking as he recruits new hires for his newspaper/Internet site/broadcast operation, Harris doesn't mention software skills or camera-ready presence. Instead, he says, he wants a certain mind-set.

He's not looking for people who want jobs like the one he had at the Post for two decades, "almost like a 1950s career model," Harris says. "People who want that kind of stability and that kind of career are not going to find journalism an attractive profession." To succeed in today's media market, he adds, journalists need "a more entrepreneurial ethic."

Harris is also seeking a new style of writing. "The austere, voice-of-God detachment which is the classic newspaper style can be an impediment to engagement with the reader and a genuine understanding of what's going on with a story," he says. VandeHei says he wants "provocative content" and "reporters to be comfortable with letting readers know more about them."

Are they ahead of the curve? Maybe, but to some Internet veterans, the Politico sounds a lot like PoliticsNow.com and AllPolitics.com, two competing ventures that started up during the 1996 presidential election campaign. Neither lasted much past it.

Evans Witt, a former AP reporter who was the editor of PoliticsNow, says his site and others demonstrated that there are people interested in a Web site that covers the business of politics. "The question we still don't have an answer to is 'How many of them are there, and who is going to pay the bill?'

"I still don't know if there are enough people who will go to a politically focused Web site day in and day out and year in and year out and whether advertisers will want to advertise to them," Witt says.

But Witt, now CEO of Princeton Survey Research Associates International, also acknowledges that "times have changed" from the days his team was hand-coding Internet pages. "In '96, the focus was getting the Web site put together every day," says Witt. With more advanced technology and the luxury of being able to focus on breaking stories, Witt thinks the Allbritton venture might have more staying power.

"I really hope they are successful," he says. "I can't tell you how happy I would be."

Huh????
Great Orators of the Democrat Party

'One man with courage makes a majority.'
- Andrew Jackson
'The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.'
- Franklin D. Roosevelt
'The buck stops here.'
- Harry S. Truman
'Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country.'

- John F. Kennedy


And, from today's genius Democrats...

'It depends what your definition of 'Sex' is?''
- Bill Clinton
'That Obama... I would like to cut his NUTS off.'
- Jesse Jackson
'Those rumors are false... I believe in the sanctity of marriage.'
- John Edwards
'I invented the Internet'
- Al Gore
'The next Person that tells me I'm not religious, I'm going to shove my rosary beads up their ASS.'
- Joe Biden
'America is... is no longer, uh, what it... it, uh, could be, uh, what it was once was... uh, and I say to myself, 'uh, I don't want that future, uh, uh for my children.'
- Barack Obama
'I have campaigned in all 57 states.
- Barack Obama (Quoted 2008)
'You don't need God anymore, you have us Democrats.'
- Nancy Pelosi (Quoted 2006)
'Paying taxes is voluntary.'
- Sen. Harry Reid
'Bill is the greatest husband and father I know. No one is more faithful, true, and honest than he.'
- Hillary Clinton (Quoted 1998)
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Originally posted by JOY4567:
how much has politico.com written about Obama's failure to keep about 75% of his promises when he was running for office?


What does that have to do with the subject, which is not Obama's promises, but the slime job by the GOP??!!You are getting pretty weak, Joy. Your extraneous and unrelated material is not a valid element of the subject of this post. Post your question as a new discussion item if you wish, but you really should stick to the subject of this thread. When you put up irrelevant stuff like you just did, it makes you look as though you have nothing significant to say about the topic under discussion, which in this case is probably true.
If you're sick and tired of this GOP Crapola, here is where to send support to those who will out these lowlife scumbuckets:




Yesterday, reporters exposed a confidential Republican National Committee fundraising proposal, uncovering their plan to run "an aggressive campaign capitalizing on 'fear' of President Barack Obama and a promise to 'save the country from trending toward socialism.'"

The memo even included grotesque caricatures of Democratic leaders -- including Speaker Nancy Pelosi as Cruella De Vil and President Obama as the Joker from Batman.

This is the GOP we're now up against: Desperate, shameless, and willing to deceptively play on the worst emotions of people to tear down the President.

We're ready to go toe-to-toe with the GOP. We'll prove that this kind of politics is no match for real grassroots strength and a commitment to making America better -- but we need your help. Please donate $5 or more today to help us fight back.



This past week has brought a barrage of outrageous news about Republican tactics.

Politico is reporting that the same memo outlining their "fear" strategy indicated that the RNC is cynically seeking to further weaken campaign finance reform to up their cash intake.

And National Journal, a Capitol Hill newspaper, found that Republicans are launching robocalls around the country calling health reform "dangerous." These calls are designed to poison the debate around health care at a critical moment -- and are happening right as they hit up insurance company executives for huge contributions.

And to top it off, they're holding an upcoming fundraiser at a compound run by the controversial military contractor formerly known as Blackwater.

Enough is enough. We are ready to fight back with rapid-response teams, truth-telling ads, and the best grassroots organizing anywhere. But we need your help to make it happen. Can you donate $5 or more to help out?

https://my.democrats.org/HelpFightBack

Thanks,

Jen

Jen O'Malley Dillon
Executive Director
Democratic National Committee
quote:
Originally posted by Reflecting One of the voices i:
Great Orators of the Democrat Party

'One man with courage makes a majority.'
- Andrew Jackson
'The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.'
- Franklin D. Roosevelt
'The buck stops here.'
- Harry S. Truman
'Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country.'

- John F. Kennedy


And, from today's genius Democrats...

'It depends what your definition of 'Sex' is?''
- Bill Clinton
'That Obama... I would like to cut his NUTS off.'
- Jesse Jackson
'Those rumors are false... I believe in the sanctity of marriage.'
- John Edwards
'I invented the Internet'
- Al Gore
'The next Person that tells me I'm not religious, I'm going to shove my rosary beads up their ASS.'
- Joe Biden
'America is... is no longer, uh, what it... it, uh, could be, uh, what it was once was... uh, and I say to myself, 'uh, I don't want that future, uh, uh for my children.'
- Barack Obama
'I have campaigned in all 57 states.
- Barack Obama (Quoted 2008)
'You don't need God anymore, you have us Democrats.'
- Nancy Pelosi (Quoted 2006)
'Paying taxes is voluntary.'
- Sen. Harry Reid
'Bill is the greatest husband and father I know. No one is more faithful, true, and honest than he.'
- Hillary Clinton (Quoted 1998)


And just WHAT does that jumble of quotes have to do with the subject matter of this string?

Listen, doofus, if you want to introduce an unrelated subject, then start a new topic. Why cant you wingers do anything except post these "So's yer old man" types of comments? It makes you look inept and pitiful.
Wow a major party demonizes the other side and uses fear to encourage donations! This is really a "Man bites dog" type revelation. Face it the political process has devolved to 30 second sound bites and telegenic pols. When more of the population knows who won last nights American Idol than who their congressman is or what he stands for what do you expect?

I don't know who said it but I find myself agreeing with the guy who said "Your people sir is a great beast."
Here's some statistics from the number one show on cable television...
On a recent Glenn Beck Show, he had a graph that illustrated the
percentage of each past president's cabinet who had worked in the
private business sector prior to their appointment to the cabinet. You
know what the private business sector is... a real life business, not a
government job. Here are the percentages discussed by Mr. Beck.

T. Roosevelt..........38%
Taft.........................40%
Wilson ...................52%
Harding..................49%
Coolidge................48%
Hoover ..................42%
F. Roosevelt..........50%
Truman..................50%
Eisenhower...........57%
Kennedy................30%
Johnson.................47%
Nixon.....................53%
Ford.......................42%
Carter....................32%
Reagan..................56%
G.H. Bush...............51%
Clinton ...................39%
G.W. Bush..............55%

And the winner is..............

Obama...................8% !!!

Yep! That's right! Only eight percent! -- the least by far of the last
19 presidents!! And these people are trying to tell our big
corporations how to run their business? They know what's best for
GM...Chrysler...Wall Street... and you and me?

How can the president of a major nation and society...the one with the
most successful economic system in world history...talk about business
when he's never worked for one? Or about jobs when he has never really
had one??!

And neither has 92% of his senior staff and closest advisers
quote:
Originally posted by beternU:
quote:
Originally posted by Reflecting One of the voices i:
Great Orators of the Democrat Party

'One man with courage makes a majority.'
- Andrew Jackson
'The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.'
- Franklin D. Roosevelt
'The buck stops here.'
- Harry S. Truman
'Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country.'

- John F. Kennedy


And, from today's genius Democrats...

'It depends what your definition of 'Sex' is?''
- Bill Clinton
'That Obama... I would like to cut his NUTS off.'
- Jesse Jackson
'Those rumors are false... I believe in the sanctity of marriage.'
- John Edwards
'I invented the Internet'
- Al Gore
'The next Person that tells me I'm not religious, I'm going to shove my rosary beads up their ASS.'
- Joe Biden
'America is... is no longer, uh, what it... it, uh, could be, uh, what it was once was... uh, and I say to myself, 'uh, I don't want that future, uh, uh for my children.'
- Barack Obama
'I have campaigned in all 57 states.
- Barack Obama (Quoted 2008)
'You don't need God anymore, you have us Democrats.'
- Nancy Pelosi (Quoted 2006)
'Paying taxes is voluntary.'
- Sen. Harry Reid
'Bill is the greatest husband and father I know. No one is more faithful, true, and honest than he.'
- Hillary Clinton (Quoted 1998)


And just WHAT does that jumble of quotes have to do with the subject matter of this string?

Listen, doofus, if you want to introduce an unrelated subject, then start a new topic. Why cant you wingers do anything except post these "So's yer old man" types of comments? It makes you look inept and pitiful.


That's the same exact tactic you use all the time old bitter. It's called deflection, I catch you in it all the time.
beter, you don't own or run these boards. You post something and

#1 - the source can't be questioned or talked about?

#2 - nothing showing the 'other side' does EXACTLY the same thing can't be talked about?

Go talk to yourself if you don't want responses except "That's GREAT beter!" - because THAT'S not going to happen much here.

NEWSFLASH: The world does not revolve around you. You cannot control others. Grow up.
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quote:
If you're sick and tired of this GOP Crapola, here is where to send support to those who will out these lowlife scumbuckets:



Yesterday, reporters exposed a confidential Republican National Committee fundraising proposal, uncovering their plan to run "an aggressive campaign capitalizing on 'fear' of President Barack Obama and a promise to 'save the country from trending toward socialism.'"

The memo even included grotesque caricatures of Democratic leaders -- including Speaker Nancy Pelosi as Cruella De Vil and President Obama as the Joker from Batman.

This is the GOP we're now up against: Desperate, shameless, and willing to deceptively play on the worst emotions of people to tear down the President.

We're ready to go toe-to-toe with the GOP. We'll prove that this kind of politics is no match for real grassroots strength and a commitment to making America better -- but we need your help. Please donate $5 or more today to help us fight back.



This past week has brought a barrage of outrageous news about Republican tactics.

Politico is reporting that the same memo outlining their "fear" strategy indicated that the RNC is cynically seeking to further weaken campaign finance reform to up their cash intake.

And National Journal, a Capitol Hill newspaper, found that Republicans are launching robocalls around the country calling health reform "dangerous." These calls are designed to poison the debate around health care at a critical moment -- and are happening right as they hit up insurance company executives for huge contributions.

And to top it off, they're holding an upcoming fundraiser at a compound run by the controversial military contractor formerly known as Blackwater.

Enough is enough. We are ready to fight back with rapid-response teams, truth-telling ads, and the best grassroots organizing anywhere. But we need your help to make it happen. Can you donate $5 or more to help out?

https://my.democrats.org/HelpFightBack

Thanks,

Jen

Jen O'Malley Dillon
Executive Director
Democratic National Committee


Yeah...watch for my check...It's in the mail.
Huh!
quote:
Originally posted by ferrellj:
quote:
Originally posted by beternU:
quote:
Originally posted by Reflecting One of the voices i:
Great Orators of the Democrat Party

'One man with courage makes a majority.'
- Andrew Jackson
'The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.'
- Franklin D. Roosevelt
'The buck stops here.'
- Harry S. Truman
'Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country.'

- John F. Kennedy


And, from today's genius Democrats...

'It depends what your definition of 'Sex' is?''
- Bill Clinton
'That Obama... I would like to cut his NUTS off.'
- Jesse Jackson
'Those rumors are false... I believe in the sanctity of marriage.'
- John Edwards
'I invented the Internet'
- Al Gore
'The next Person that tells me I'm not religious, I'm going to shove my rosary beads up their ASS.'
- Joe Biden
'America is... is no longer, uh, what it... it, uh, could be, uh, what it was once was... uh, and I say to myself, 'uh, I don't want that future, uh, uh for my children.'
- Barack Obama
'I have campaigned in all 57 states.
- Barack Obama (Quoted 2008)
'You don't need God anymore, you have us Democrats.'
- Nancy Pelosi (Quoted 2006)
'Paying taxes is voluntary.'
- Sen. Harry Reid
'Bill is the greatest husband and father I know. No one is more faithful, true, and honest than he.'
- Hillary Clinton (Quoted 1998)


And just WHAT does that jumble of quotes have to do with the subject matter of this string?

Listen, doofus, if you want to introduce an unrelated subject, then start a new topic. Why cant you wingers do anything except post these "So's yer old man" types of comments? It makes you look inept and pitiful.


That's the same exact tactic you use all the time old bitter. It's called deflection, I catch you in it all the time.


In your imagination. I DO stick with the topic. The record speaks for itself.
quote:
Originally posted by JOY4567:
beter, you don't own or run these boards. You post something and

#1 - the source can't be questioned or talked about?

#2 - nothing showing the 'other side' does EXACTLY the same thing can't be talked about?

Go talk to yourself if you don't want responses except "That's GREAT beter!" - because THAT'S not going to happen much here.

NEWSFLASH: The world does not revolve around you. You cannot control others. Grow up.


The source can be questioned. I have no problem with that. But in this instance every source, conservative or liberal, has reported the same FACTS about the RNC's propaganda package. Also, simply citing a source does not discredit the source with respect to an item of information. One must go further and SHOW where and how the source is wrong.

"Showing the 'other side' does EXACTLY the same thing" is one thing. Simply listing various sins of persons on the other side does not equate to showing "EXACTLY the same thing." Exactitude demsands more than that. It demands relevance to the actual subject matter under discussion. For example, just WHAT does Hilary's misplaced trust in Bill (see ferrellj, above) have to do with how the RNC conducts its propaganda campaigns? NOTHING, that is what, and if you can't understand that, then you have some kind of a big problem with cognitive dissonance!
quote:
Originally posted by beternU:
quote:
Originally posted by JOY4567:
beter, you don't own or run these boards. You post something and

#1 - the source can't be questioned or talked about?

#2 - nothing showing the 'other side' does EXACTLY the same thing can't be talked about?

Go talk to yourself if you don't want responses except "That's GREAT beter!" - because THAT'S not going to happen much here.

NEWSFLASH: The world does not revolve around you. You cannot control others. Grow up.


The source can be questioned. I have no problem with that. But in this instance every source, conservative or liberal, has reported the same FACTS about the RNC's propaganda package. Also, simply citing a source does not discredit the source with respect to an item of information. One must go further and SHOW where and how the source is wrong.

"Showing the 'other side' does EXACTLY the same thing" is one thing. Simply listing various sins of persons on the other side does not equate to showing "EXACTLY the same thing." Exactitude demsands more than that. It demands relevance to the actual subject matter under discussion. For example, just WHAT does Hilary's misplaced trust in Bill (see ferrellj, above) have to do with how the RNC conducts its propaganda campaigns? NOTHING, that is what, and if you can't understand that, then you have some kind of a big problem with cognitive dissonance!


Look again bitter, I never posted anything about Hillary with two l's.
quote:
Originally posted by beternU:
quote:
Originally posted by JOY4567:
beter, you don't own or run these boards. You post something and

#1 - the source can't be questioned or talked about?

#2 - nothing showing the 'other side' does EXACTLY the same thing can't be talked about?

Go talk to yourself if you don't want responses except "That's GREAT beter!" - because THAT'S not going to happen much here.

NEWSFLASH: The world does not revolve around you. You cannot control others. Grow up.


The source can be questioned. I have no problem with that. But in this instance every source, conservative or liberal, has reported the same FACTS about the RNC's propaganda package. Also, simply citing a source does not discredit the source with respect to an item of information. One must go further and SHOW where and how the source is wrong.

"Showing the 'other side' does EXACTLY the same thing" is one thing. Simply listing various sins of persons on the other side does not equate to showing "EXACTLY the same thing." Exactitude demsands more than that. It demands relevance to the actual subject matter under discussion. For example, just WHAT does Hilary's misplaced trust in Bill (see ferrellj, above) have to do with how the RNC conducts its propaganda campaigns? NOTHING, that is what, and if you can't understand that, then you have some kind of a big problem with cognitive dissonance!


Cognitive Dissonance? Isn't that the name of your favorite leftie "fiddle, jug, and washtub" folk band? Wink
quote:
quote:
Originally posted by beternU:

quote:
Originally posted by JOY4567:
beter, you don't own or run these boards. You post something and

#1 - the source can't be questioned or talked about?

#2 - nothing showing the 'other side' does EXACTLY the same thing can't be talked about?

Go talk to yourself if you don't want responses except "That's GREAT beter!" - because THAT'S not going to happen much here.

NEWSFLASH: The world does not revolve around you. You cannot control others. Grow up.


The source can be questioned. I have no problem with that. But in this instance every source, conservative or liberal, has reported the same FACTS about the RNC's propaganda package. Also, simply citing a source does not discredit the source with respect to an item of information. One must go further and SHOW where and how the source is wrong.

"Showing the 'other side' does EXACTLY the same thing" is one thing. Simply listing various sins of persons on the other side does not equate to showing "EXACTLY the same thing." Exactitude demsands more than that. It demands relevance to the actual subject matter under discussion. For example, just WHAT does Hilary's misplaced trust in Bill (see ferrellj, above) have to do with how the RNC conducts its propaganda campaigns? NOTHING, that is what, and if you can't understand that, then you have some kind of a big problem with cognitive dissonance!


Cognitive Dissonance? Isn't that the name of your favorite leftie "fiddle, jug, and washtub" folk band?


Nope...that band would be called "Collective Discountenance"
quote:
Originally posted by JOY4567:
beter, why, in the thread you started about "heart of Dixie" are you addressing an issue about a death panel in the healthcare reform bill? STICK TO YOUR OWN TOPIC! Big Grin


Simply because another poster, Fighting Illini, asked me a question within that string and the question was related to health care, specifically: "I like your quote. Do you feel that same way as it relates to the healthcare reform that is being shoved down our throats even though poll after poll shows that it needs to be reconstructed or dropped all together?"

Do you understand the meaning and use of the term "for example"?

I have posted the relevant parts of the thread below so that you may see the train of thought involved and the relevance of my answer to F.O.'s question.

Originally posted by Fighting Illini:

quote:
Do you agree? Or do you support government making people proclaim something they do not believe in simply because the government has--or thinks it has--the authority to do so?


I like your quote. Do you feel that same way as it relates to the healthcare reform that is being shoved down our throats even though poll after poll shows that it needs to be reconstructed or dropped all together?


I suspect that a HUGE proportion of the public's doubts and objections arise from the massive outlay of misinformation that lying right wingers have propagated. There is, for example, NO DEATH PANEL PROVISION IN THE LEGISLATION! But the lie about that continues to be told and re-told. Polls are not a very good thing to rely upon when it is obvious that so many people have formed their conclusions on the basis of an enormous outpouring of lies.

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